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Any thoughts or experiences with girls under 10 learning to play
hockey? Was it better segregating them, putting them with the boys,
etc. We are looking at the younger girls around here for the coming
season. I have my own thoughts, but thought it might be a good idea
to open my mind a little.
Debbie
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At 08:10 AM 01/03/2001 -0500, Debbie Minden wrote:
>Any thoughts or experiences with girls under 10 learning to play
>hockey? Was it better segregating them, putting them with the boys,
>etc. We are looking at the younger girls around here for the coming
>season. I have my own thoughts, but thought it might be a good idea
>to open my mind a little.
The number of little girls who will join a girls'-only team is much larger
than the number of little girls who are interested in playing on boys'
teams. The number of little girls who will join a girls'-only team which
only plays against girls is larger again. The real trick is how to get to
that point.
When we didn't have enough girls at the 8-9 age group (Novice) to make a
league, we made an interlocking league with the 8-9 year old boys. (In our
town, that is the youngest age division which plays games every week. The
5-7 year olds (Initiation) play every second week, and don't play full
rules, so it wouldn't be appropriate for the Novice girls to play younger
boys.) That really didn't work well, because our teams had lots of
beginners and the boys' teams didn't. If your 10-under girls could play
against some 8-under boys, that would probably work better. We also worked
all season at telling our Novice parents and players that all the older
girls' teams were in girls' leagues, and that the Novice girls would
probably be in a girls' league next year if we got a few more players.
Another thing that works in some towns to make a girls'-only house league
is to join two age divisions. Sometimes leagues which do this have an
agreement to play the big kids against the big kids and the little kids
against the little kids.
Some families will always prefer to have their little girl start on boys'
teams and continue as long as she is happy there and can keep up. It's
more productive (as well as more co-operative) to focus the recruiting for
little girls' teams on girls who have never played before, rather than on
girls who are already playing on boys' teams. It seems to me that the
families who started in boys' hockey are more likely to move to girls'
hockey later, if the girls' hockey people haven't been "arguing" with them
about how different the programs are.
As you can see, my own preference (and the custom of my organization) is to
start "at the bottom", welcoming beginners and working towards a
girls'-only house league, then putting together a select team for
tournaments after that. (A girls' select team can also play in the
next-higher-age girls' house league, or in the same-age boys' house league.)
Other organizations do it the other way around - they start by forming a
part-time travel team mostly from the girls who are already playing boys'
hockey, maybe with beginners as needed to fill the roster. As that program
grows, then they try getting enough girls to have an all-girls' league.
This way does work well to catch the families who started in boys' hockey
who won't commit to your program full time because it doesn't offer the
competitive opportunities the boys' program does.
Another option to consider, in starting a program suitable for young
beginners, is to adapt the "Initiation Program" curriculum to suit a group
from 5 to 10 the first year. This program gives lots of ideas about how to
teach hockey in a fun environment which reduces the importance of "teams"
and "games", and works with a mix of ages. You could do this with an hour
a week - for fewer than 20 kids, you could even share the ice with an older
girls' team.
Have fun!
Louise
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In a message dated Thu, 1 Mar 2001 8:14:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, Debbie Minden writes:
<< Any thoughts or experiences with girls under 10 learning to play
hockey? Was it better segregating them, putting them with the boys,
etc. We are looking at the younger girls around here for the coming
season. I have my own thoughts, but thought it might be a good idea
to open my mind a little. >>
My daughter did okay playing with the boys 8 years ago in the Initiation level, when she was 7 and 8 years old, but we sent her to a camp prior to starting Sqirts which was one of the first all-girl camps in our area (Metro Minneapolis). Coach Kaye from UNH was the director, and Cammi Granato was among the counsellors. The moment she found out how much more fun it was to skate with the girls, she was done skating with the boys, and we had to find her a girls' team. The boys just couldn't get away from that macho thing (7-year-olds??) that took away from the fun for her.
Things are a little different around here, now, with the massive growth in girls high school hockey, (120 teams in Minnesota this year), and my younger son's Sqirt C team has regularly faced teams with 2-4 girls playing with the boys, but boys are still boys, and I think it will depend a lot on the individual girl. In general, I'd be inclined to start a girl in the regular initiation program with the boys, and keep
her in the same track with the boys as long as the girl is comfortable. Unfortunately, most of the best coaching and resources still go to the boys in the youth programs. Even at the PeeWee level (11-12) most girls are at least as big and strong as most of the boys and can handle the checking just fine. Whenever the girl starts to feel like she's "out-of-place," or if she's lucky enough to have friends on the girls team, I'd move her over, but it should depend mostly on how she feels about it.
- Kevin Kooiker
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At 08:10 AM 01/03/2001 -0500, Debbie Minden wrote:
>Any thoughts or experiences with girls under 10 learning to play
>hockey? Was it better segregating them, putting them with the boys,
>etc. We are looking at the younger girls around here for the coming
>season. I have my own thoughts, but thought it might be a good idea
>to open my mind a little.
The number of little girls who will join a girls'-only team is much larger
than the number of little girls who are interested in playing on boys'
teams. The number of little girls who will join a girls'-only team which
only plays against girls is larger again. The real trick is how to get to
that point.
When we didn't have enough girls at the 8-9 age group (Novice) to make a
league, we made an interlocking league with the 8-9 year old boys. (In our
town, that is the youngest age division which plays games every week. The
5-7 year olds (Initiation) play every second week, and don't play full
rules, so it wouldn't be appropriate for the Novice girls to play younger
boys.) That really didn't work well, because our teams had lots of
beginners and the boys' teams didn't. If your 10-under girls could play
against some 8-under boys, that would probably work better. We also worked
all season at telling our Novice parents and players that all the older
girls' teams were in girls' leagues, and that the Novice girls would
probably be in a girls' league next year if we got a few more players.
Another thing that works in some towns to make a girls'-only house league
is to join two age divisions. Sometimes leagues which do this have an
agreement to play the big kids against the big kids and the little kids
against the little kids.
Some families will always prefer to have their little girl start on boys'
teams and continue as long as she is happy there and can keep up. It's
more productive (as well as more co-operative) to focus the recruiting for
little girls' teams on girls who have never played before, rather than on
girls who are already playing on boys' teams. It seems to me that the
families who started in boys' hockey are more likely to move to girls'
hockey later, if the girls' hockey people haven't been "arguing" with them
about how different the programs are.
As you can see, my own preference (and the custom of my organization) is to
start "at the bottom", welcoming beginners and working towards a
girls'-only house league, then putting together a select team for
tournaments after that. (A girls' select team can also play in the
next-higher-age girls' house league, or in the same-age boys' house league.)
Other organizations do it the other way around - they start by forming a
part-time travel team mostly from the girls who are already playing boys'
hockey, maybe with beginners as needed to fill the roster. As that program
grows, then they try getting enough girls to have an all-girls' league.
This way does work well to catch the families who started in boys' hockey
who won't commit to your program full time because it doesn't offer the
competitive opportunities the boys' program does.
Another option to consider, in starting a program suitable for young
beginners, is to adapt the "Initiation Program" curriculum to suit a group
from 5 to 10 the first year. This program gives lots of ideas about how to
teach hockey in a fun environment which reduces the importance of "teams"
and "games", and works with a mix of ages. You could do this with an hour
a week - for fewer than 20 kids, you could even share the ice with an older
girls' team.
Have fun!
Louise
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* Dipartement de ginie micanique/Department of Mechanical Engineering
* Universiti d'Ottawa/University of Ottawa, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1N 6N5
* http://www.genie.uottawa.ca/profs/mallory/mallory.htm
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About younger girls - we taxi'd girls who weren't ready to be on our 15&under
team. They were charged 1/4 the price, but were offered the opportunity to
practice with our team and after they improved, we sometimes allowed them
some time in our games although game time was not part of the original
agreement. Most of them joined house programs also (with boys) but they have
shown a lot of growth and still feel a part of the team. If I had enough
girls for a squirt team, I might do that instead next time, but I think that
its important that even then, they have exposure to the older girls.
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In some leagues, they let the goalie wear tennis shoes.
Tanya & Patrick Martin wrote:
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> I have been asked to play goal in a roller hockey tourney in a few weeks. I
> am an ice gal and have only been on blades once before in my basement where
> there were poles I could grab before falling on my bottom. People have
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> what type of wheels I should use. Some say indoor others say outside. Any
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In a message dated 3/1/01 8:16:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Any thoughts or experiences with girls under 10 learning to play
> hockey? Was it better segregating them, putting them with the boys,
> etc. We are looking at the younger girls around here for the coming
> season. I have my own thoughts, but thought it might be a good idea
> to open my mind a little.
>
Hi Debbie!
I have coached for 8 years now and have always taken all the girls that
register to play on whatever age level I happen to be coaching that season
(mostly Squirts). I've never had more than 3 girls on each team, but I see
no reason why the girls can't learn with the boys. It's never been a problem
or issue with me at all. I do realize that me being the coach (female coach
to mostly boys) probably does make a difference in how the girls are
accepted, both by the boys and the parents, but just from a strictly coaching
point of view, at that age, I don't see any differences at all between the
boys and girls. They all look like hockey players to me! LOL
I did start Cincinnati first girls hockey program this year, but my desire to
do that really didn't have anything to do with skill level between boys and
girls. I did it mainly because I know we have some talented girls in our
mostly "boys" programs and it's a fact that Colleges really don't "scout"
girl hockey players in boys programs and tournaments, they scout for them in
girls programs and tournaments. After coaching mostly boys all these years,
the whole girl program thing has been quite a learning experience for me, but
definately a pleasant one. I really don't like to make generalizations cause
the minute I do, it seems like people get upset, but if I can make a
generalization about the differences between coaching boys and girls, let me
first say that girls really seem to LISTEN better! LOL That is definately a
PLUS for any coach. On the down side (and this is just my own observations),
it seems that I have to do more prodding and encouraging to motivate my girls
to have that "killer instinct" to win. That may have something to do with
them being "better adjusted social creatures" though as the girls are able to
put winning and losing in a more realitic context. LOL I mean, my girls
want to win, they just don't lay prone on the ice crying if they lose (and
yes, I've had MANY boys do that). I guess that probably is GOOD thing.
Anyway, I see no differences in boys and girls of that age as far as hockey
skill goes and I would encourage anybody to work with girls in hockey because
there is NOTHING more rewarding than teaching little girls the game of hockey
and watching their self esteem grow by leaps and bounds!
Jackie - "Coach Jackie"
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We sold team merchandise. We didn't lose money on it, but we didn't
make much either. Mostly, we did it because players wanted the
merchandise for themselves and friends and family. What we did make
money on in the merchandise area was t-shirts for tournaments. We threw
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<< I have been asked to play goal in a roller hockey tourney in a few weeks.
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Hi,
I only play roller hockey, but I play with a bunch of guys that have come
straight from ice. They usually need just a couple of games to be
comfortable on rollerblades. Their biggest challenge is stopping on inlines,
but as a goalie that shouldn't be a big problem. Just try skating a few
times at open skate times at a rink or at a practice to get used to the feel.
Wear your padded shorts if you are concerned about falling. I don't see the
guys getting their pads messed up any more from roller than from ice, in fact
since we play indoors on sport court and often with a ball instead of a puck
there should be less damage. Even the puck used for roller is lighter and
smaller than the ice puck. Unless you are playing outdoors or on a concrete
court you shouldn't have any problem.
I love roller hockey, but then thats all I have access to.
have fun! Laura