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I had a question to my website about preserving/restoring the color in goalie
pads yesterday...I usually Mink Oil my leather pads to ensure that they stay
in good condition and that seems to 'brighten' up the color some what...does
anyone have another suggestion for a pair of 4 year old pads that are fading
which I can share with this Ringette player from Sudbury?  My best,
Cathi Thomas
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...the edge in women's hockey equipment

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Voting in favor of the RANT by DEBBIE...Way to go Deb,all these rules have 
made this game harder and harder to play.We tried to put together a team to 
go to tournaments and because of all of the USA Hockey rules we couldnt do 
it.Seems we couldnt take players because of the roster rules.What a shame 
that USA hockey has made this game too much paper work and no fun..!!!!!!!!!!

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Hey, it's not USA Hockey's fault that some parents, coaches and managers out
there do things that force the creation of rules.  Sometimes the rules
hinder a perfectly innocent team, but think of all of the 'scams' that are
avoided.  If you were playing a team that 'suddenly' added a great player to
their roster near the end of the season to beat you and make it to
nationals, after that player had played no other games with that team
before, you'd be ranting a different tune...

It's a crappy situation that you don't have an extra goalie and it's too
bad.  I didn't reply when I first got that rant because I thought, she's
just venting and I am sure it's very frustrating.  But now that someone else
has chimed in against 'the rulemakers'...

I don't agree with the person who says USA Hockey won't allow them to create
a team just to go to tournaments.  You can do that, as long as you're not
trying to go to nationals.  If you want to have a team competing towards
nationals, then you have to be a real team that has played a certain number
of games, and you can't play on more than one team competing in nationals.
I don't have a problem with that at all.

And if you don't like the USA hockey or your local league/state rules, get
involved in their committees and try to make a difference.  You'll find it's
not that easy to make the rules when you're trying to be fair to everyone in
all situations.  USA Hockey has a lot to work on, but basic rules like these
ones are the least of their problems.

Shari

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I agree with Shari.  THe rules are there because teams have abused
situations in the past.  I have never had a problem organizing a team for
a single tournament, in fact I am going to Brampton with such a team.  The
members are all part of a league my usual team belongs to, but no one team
had enough people to go, so we pooled our resources, but as Shari said,
this team is not headed to nationals, just one tournament.  If you have
had a problem with USA hockey, it may be because you misinterpreted, or
the official who processed your forms misinterpreted a rule.  In that case
I believe there is an appeal process.  At the very least, I'm sure if you
had called your local USA hockey representative they could have cleared
things up for you.
Jennifer

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Rules always seem unfair when they affect you.  But it might be helpful if you did some research into way those rules were created.  USA Hockey didn't just make them up to hurt teams but in reality to protect teams.  Call USA hockey and ask about some of the rules.  That might help.  Also remember if you are a Tier 3 team then you don't have to follow a lot of the more stringent rules.

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At 02:35 PM 25/01/2001 -0600, Shari Lichterman wrote:

>I don't agree with the person who says USA Hockey won't allow them to create
>a team just to go to tournaments.  You can do that, as long as you're not
>trying to go to nationals.  

Yes, in fact I think the USA Hockey rules about tournament rosters are
quite flexible, for teams which aren't going to Nationals.  The paperwork
gets to be kind of a nuisance because as I understand it, every time you
change the registered roster of a team, you have to get everybody on the
roster to sign again.  When I was the registrar for the Ohio State
University women's club, we used to change the USA Hockey rosters of our
teams before almost every tournament, based on the players who were able to
attend that weekend.  

(If a team only carries a few out-of-town players, maybe you could get them
to sign several blank roster forms at the beginning of the season - then
when you're changing the roster for a tournament,  start with the one that
the hard-to-reach players have already signed.)  

In Ontario, the logistics are simpler, to add and subtract players from a
roster before a tournament - you just need the signatures of the players
(and their parents) who are getting moved from one roster to another.  You
fax the change forms to the central office, and keep the original as your
proof to show the tournament director.  

In Ontario, you can still add players to your roster permanently regardless
of whether or not they're eligible for Provincials (and they can play for
you in tournaments), you can have "pick-up" players from a lower division
to bring your roster up to 15 if you're missing players, and if you're
going to be otherwise stuck, you can get permission to pick up a goaltender
from a same-division team for tournaments.  

The situation that Debbie Minden described sounds really frustrating.
Unless the tournament she's talking about is some kind of state or regional
playdown determining the competitors at Nationals, I can't see any good
reason to prevent them from adding a goalie for a tournament.  I would
think it would be worth appealing for some kind of special permission for
this one, and submitting a rule change to permit such exceptions more
routinely in the future.  

>And if you don't like the USA hockey or your local league/state rules, get
>involved in their committees and try to make a difference.  You'll find it's
>not that easy to make the rules when you're trying to be fair to everyone in
>all situations.  

I agree with this too.  Governing bodies such as the OWHA, CHA, and USA
Hockey are doing a great deal to provide fair, safe competition for players
of various ages and skills.  I don't think my governing body is perfect,
but I attend their meetings and I submit rule changes that I think are
needed.  

From my perspective as a longtime player (since before the founding of the
OWHA), and as an organizer with experience in Ohio and in Ontario, I
strongly disagree with David Fodal, who said earlier in this thread that
>all these rules have 
>made this game harder and harder to play.We tried to put together a team to 
>go to tournaments and because of all of the USA Hockey rules we couldnt do 
>it.Seems we couldnt take players because of the roster rules.What a shame 
>that USA hockey has made this game too much paper work and no fun..!!!!!!!!!!

Without our governing bodies, we wouldn't have the national-team programs
which have brought our sport a higher profile in the last ten years.  We
wouldn't have certified coaches, trainers, or referees.  We wouldn't have
standardized categories by age and calibre, allowing fair competition at
many levels.  We wouldn't have a standard rulebook.  If our teams tried to
buy insurance, it would probably be much more expensive than the rates now
available through the CHA or USA Hockey.  We wouldn't have provincial or
national championships.  We wouldn't have sanctioned tournaments, with
their assurances of fairly-matched teams, suspensions upheld, qualified
referees, and fair operating procedures.  

Yes, there are rules to follow to be part of an organized sport.  Yes, it
takes effort to learn them and to follow them.  Yes, in some cases the
rules are not well thought out, or are not really appropriate for
recreational teams or for girls'/women's teams in areas without huge
numbers of players, or were not determined democratically.  But on the
whole, I think we're a lot better off *with* governing bodies than we were
without them.  

Louise, 
offering a tangent rant of my own