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Hello all,

I was curious if any teams out there have written policies on expected
behaviors and sanctions for players? We have some personality clashes going
on right now that are negatively affecting our team. Has anyone ever had to
ask a player to leave their team? How did it work? Also, does anyone have
words of wisdom for dating relationships between coaches and players? It has
happened more than once on our team, and can be awkward in many ways. Any
thoughts are appreciated.

-Lori

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We have some of those. Example, for game misconducts we get a game suspension, then our coach adds two games for a total of a three game suspension. We also have things such as cussing or degrading other players, a game suspension. If we walk out on the team (like decide not to serve a suspension and leave the game early) we get a game. That sort of thing. I don't have the list in front of me, but we have suspensions for every sort of misconduct and we all had to sign a paper saying we read the list and agreed to it. Oh, and in case you're thinking our coaches are psyco for giving us suspensions for everything let me introduce you to our team. 1 player is currently on house arrest and in anger management classes. 1 player had a 30 day + 5 game suspension from the league for bashing someone in the head with his stick and spitting on the score keeper. 1 player broke a glass window at a tournament and was on league suspension for awhile. There were a couple others too, but thats !
all I remember right now. Basically whatever can be done to keep a team inline should be done. 


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> behaviors and sanctions for players? 

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> 1 player is currently on house arrest and in anger management classes. 1 
> player had a 30 day + 5 game suspension from the league for bashing someone 
> in the head with his stick and spitting on the score keeper. 1 player broke 
> a glass window at a tournament and was on league suspension for awhile. 
> There were a couple others too, but that!
> 


getting on to another topic, and not answering the original question........

And where do they learn this from?   These children are lead to believe that 
fighting is an acceptable part of the game (as anyone who has ever watched or 
attended an NHL game  can attest to), but it really does not belong in the 
game at all.   If the NHL would crack down on the fighting and if leagues, 
rinks, and coaches would crack down as well, the game would be much better 
for it.

Fortunately, I play on an adult women;s team, where fighting is  a very rare 
occurance.  (when & if it does happen, they are thrown out of the game.)  It 
is incidents like the ones mentioned above that always have, and 
(unfortunately) probably always will, give our great sport a bum rap.   

Jill

# 77 Brooklyn Blades

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From: Susanica Tam 
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First of all, bombersfan, your team is scary. =)
Um, i'd say the worst thing for a team is to have an
ongoing crisis--it divides the team. Somebody, perhaps
the captain should speak to the person on behalf of
the team privately, and address the issue. i don't
really know what's going on so i can't really give
good advice. I've been on a team where someone was
causing a lot of ruckus and every banded together and
the trouble maker got kind of isolated and stopped
coming, i mean there's really no easy way to have
someone leave the team, but it's better to do ask them
soon before the situation gets really bad. 
As far as players dating coaches--well it's awkward.
Is it affecting the team, i.e. coach showing favortism
etc? Maybe there should be an addendum in the team
contract regarding what happens if players date. At
the place where I work, (the mall, ha) associates or
managers are transferred to another department if they
are dating as not to interfere with business, kind of
like being traded to another team i guess. It all
depends on how bad the situation is, really.

-Susanica
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Hi.  I picked up hockey about 2 years ago and I need to improve my skating 
particularly bending my knees on frontward crossovers and keeping balanced on 
backward crossovers.  I'd like to get more practice using roller blades 
because open skates aren't desirable. I know some aspects of rollerblading 
create bad habits on the ice, but I''ve pondered crossovers and it seems this 
would be okay.  Anyone know if front and back crossovers are similar between 
ice skates and roller blades?

Thanks much,
Delaine
#45 Cincinnati Rising Stars

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Dear Lori,

There's a club here in Seattle that has a written Grievance Policy and
Code of Conduct, with specific guidelines about what happens when there
is a personality conflict.  (Something like, if you can't resolve it
yourselves, go to the captain, then the coach, then the board, and if
you still can't agree, you both must agree to accept mediation by the
board if you want to remain on the team.)  A few years back, there was
quite a clashing of personalities and philosophies about the club, which
resulted in that club splintering into two separate ones.  The original
one has since folded, but the one that split off is going strong and I'm
sure would be willing to share some of their policies, experiences,
etc.  They may even be posted on the website but I'm not sure:
www.swhc.org.

As far as coaches dating players, this club also has experience in that
area.  I know the board are very particular about what is and isn't
acceptable behavior and sit down and explain this to all prospective
coaches.

I hope this is helpful.  Best of luck to you -- both of these can be
really sticky issues.

-madeleine
#13, Seattle Gridlock (and former board member of SWHC -- can you
tell??)

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Listmates,

I emailed Lori about the age group of her team, because it makes a difference
in the way you would deal with the problems she is confronting.  Both USA
Hockey and CHA have ethics guidelines for coaches.  With regard to the
personal relationships question, if this is an informal adult team with a
couple of guys who are decent players themselves volunteering to coach, then
you deal with it informally and hope for the best.  On any sort of team where
people just join you will probably inevitably get some split based upon
accusations of favoritism.  Our two coaches are married to players on the
team, but we had a big split in our town because we had a newer, strong minded
player who thought she was being unfairly treated.  She had some pretty valid
points, but she was the "new kid on the block", and very agressively
challenged people who had founded and nursed a women's program into life when
there was absolutely no support for it.  Neither side was willing to
compromise and so she took her excellent recruiting and organizing skills
elsewhere (men's league, which is progressively coed, thanks largely to her).

Umm....I'm not sure I have a useful moral for this story, other than to advise
that if you want to grow your program, you need to plan for the time that you
will have enough players for more than one team.  Brand new programs grow
through personal contacts, friendships, rooting each other on, etc.
Eventually, as the program gets bigger, those personal relationships (dating,
friendship, whatever) that allowed you to survive in the early days open you
up to charges of favoritism.  You have to have a plan for picking teams
through either tryouts with disinterested judges, or a draft/lottery system.

As far as personal relationships on league sanctioned junior teams with
certified coaches, that is a big no-no.  Here is the verbatim quote from the
USA Hockey Ethics guidelines:

ETHICS STANDARDS -
A. General Standards
    14. Exploitative Relationships
            (a) Coaches do not exploit athletes or other participants over
whom they have supervisory, evaluative or other authority.
            (b) Coaches do not engage in sexual/romantic relationships with
athletes or other participants over whom the coach has evaluative, direct, or
indirect authority, because such relationships are likely to impair judgment
or be exploitative.

C. Training Relationships
    3. Sexual Intimacies With Current Athletes
Coaches do not engage in sexual intimacies with current athletes.

    4. Coaching Former Sexual Partners
Coaches do not coach athletes with whom they have engaged in sexual
intimacies.

    5. Sexual Intimacies With Former Athletes
        (a) Coaches should not engage in sexual intimacies with a former
athlete for at least two years after cessation or termination of professional
services.

There's a lot more in the ethics guidelines that might be of interest.  Go to
the USA Hockey website, click on the "Coaches and Officials" button and then
the Ethics Guidelines title.

Cheryl

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If you are going to practice crossovers on roller blades be aware of 2
things:

1) ALWAYS wear a helmet. 

2) Remove the brake off the back of the Rollerblades, and be sure to
practice in an area where you have a large area to stop.

I use blades to practice drills and find it similar to ice and much cheaper.
The only problem I had with crossovers disappeared when I removed the brake.

I like to find a large parking lot, with painted lines for reference. 

Also, always do a skate around and inspect for trash and oil slicks before
starting a drill in a parking lot. I place cones around oiled areas for my
own safety.

If you are going to use a stick in your parking lot drill, don't use a
favorite one. Asphalt grinds down wood much quicker than the cheap plastic
sticks. 

Enjoy!


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>  Hi.  I picked up hockey about 2 years ago and I need to improve my
skating 
>  particularly bending my knees on frontward crossovers and keeping
balanced on 
>  backward crossovers.  I'd like to get more practice using roller blades 
>  because open skates aren't desirable. I know some aspects of
rollerblading 
>  create bad habits on the ice, but I''ve pondered crossovers and it seems
this 
>  would be okay.  Anyone know if front and back crossovers are similar
between 
>  ice skates and roller blades?
>  
>  Thanks much,
>  Delaine
>  #45 Cincinnati Rising Stars
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Yes the NHL is a bad influence on kids as far as making it appear like 
fighting is acceptable to a certain extent; however, fighting in hockey does 
have its history and place in the game, kind of like boxing and other 
fighting type sports.

There is a difference when players go one on one with their fists against an 
opponant to change the momentum of a game or give a guy who is pulling cheep 
shots a little wake-up call, vice going after someone to really hurt or 
seriously injure them.  Most cases of fighting are just an adrinaline type 
altercation and not meant to seriously injure someone.  There have been 
cases where I've gotten into a fight during a game, but once you're off the 
ice, it's over, and everyone will even go and have a drink together as 
friends.

I just wanted to point out that there is more to the issue than what's on 
the surface, and there is way more violence on TV that influence children 
worse (ie. the news, movies, WWF, video games etc.) than hockey ever could.


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>To: email@hidden
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>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:29:12 EST
>
>In a message dated 2/19/01 3:44:08 PM Central Standard Time,
>email@hidden writes:
>
>
> > 1 player is currently on house arrest and in anger management classes. 1
> > player had a 30 day + 5 game suspension from the league for bashing 
>someone
> > in the head with his stick and spitting on the score keeper. 1 player 
>broke
> > a glass window at a tournament and was on league suspension for awhile.
> > There were a couple others too, but that!
> >
>
>
>getting on to another topic, and not answering the original 
>question........
>
>And where do they learn this from?   These children are lead to believe 
>that
>fighting is an acceptable part of the game (as anyone who has ever watched 
>or
>attended an NHL game  can attest to), but it really does not belong in the
>game at all.   If the NHL would crack down on the fighting and if leagues,
>rinks, and coaches would crack down as well, the game would be much better
>for it.
>
>Fortunately, I play on an adult women;s team, where fighting is  a very 
>rare
>occurance.  (when & if it does happen, they are thrown out of the game.)  
>It
>is incidents like the ones mentioned above that always have, and
>(unfortunately) probably always will, give our great sport a bum rap.
>
>Jill
>
># 77 Brooklyn Blades
>
>"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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