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Women-in-Hockey Digest Tuesday, October 19 1999 Volume 01 : Number 517
In this issue:
MINNESOTA WOMEN'S HOCKEY -- PART 2
Re: Whats wrong with me?
Re: Sad warning for a new season
Re: cleaning gear with bleach
Re: Whats wrong with me?
Re: Sad warning for a new season
Re: Sad warning for a new season
Re: Sad warning for a new season
Re: cleaning gear with bleach
fighting in hockey
hockey movies (was Re: fighting in hockey
Hockey movies and novels
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:27:17
From: "Craig Roberts"
Subject: MINNESOTA WOMEN'S HOCKEY -- PART 2
MUZERALL, CURTIN EARN WEEKLY WCHA-WOMENâS LEAGUE HONORS
Junior center Nadine Muzerall (Mississauga, Ontario/Kimball Union Academy)
and frosh right wing Ronda Curtin (Roseville, Minn./Roseville Area) earned
the first-ever Player of the Week and Rookie of the Week honors presented by
the Western Collegiate Hockey Association-Women's League.
The Gophers opened their first-ever weekend of league play with a pair of
10-1 wins in a home-and-home series with St. Cloud State.
With goals in each game over the weekend, Muzerall has scored goals in eight
straight games, dating back to Minnesotaâs 1-1 tie with Brown, Feb. 27, at
Mariucci Arena. She scored the game's first goal Friday, the fourth time in
seven games she has gotten the Gophers on the scoreboard first.
Muzerall also maintained her goal-per-game pace for her career, with 65
goals in 64 games. She grabbed a share of the WCHA scoring lead with eight
points on the weekend.
Curtin registered her first career point with an assist Friday night before
recording a hat trick in just her second collegiate game Saturday. Two of
her three goals at St. Cloud State came on the power play. Curtin totalled
four points on the weekend.
Minnesota will be in action again this weekend with a pair of non-conference
games, Oct. 23-24, at Providence College. Both games are set for 1 p.m. CDT
starts at Schneider Arena.
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Craig Roberts
Assistant Sports Information Director
Women's Intercollegiate Athletics
University of Minnesota
Check out our website at www.gophersports.com
Or call the Diet Coke Gopher Sports Hotline
612-626-STAT (7828)
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:31:18 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Whats wrong with me?
I would say that its probably just a phase, because I'm kinda at that
point now. Hockey, for me, has always been for fun, and lately it hasn't been
that way. I'm not on a team at this point, just practicing with one team, and
waiting for a rec league to start up. So, I don't get to play in any games,
which of course is the fun part. But even when we scrimmage, I'm not really
having any fun. My theory is that I probably try and prove myself too much,
and in the process, I do the exact opposite and mess up, get frusterated and
then I mess up even more and etc... It's just weird, I actually look like I
know what I'm doing in a game, but when it comes to practicing, I just plain
suck. (well ok, maybe thats going a little too far, but it helps get the
point across better)
I guess, I just hate being in the lower end of the talent scale on a
team. Of course everybody wants to just skip the rookie phase. Although I
just don't understand why my play in games and in practice is so much
different. Maybe I just think to much about what I do, and if I just wouldn't
think I'd be fine. Of course, I'm just a kid, and what do I know?
As in the words of the "The Zamboni's" (The #1 Hockey Band in North America):
"It takes guts to get to practice on time
Commitment, conviction, it's all a state of mind
So look alive and think...
Keep your head in the game!"
I think that pretty much sums up everything.
Jennie
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:27:50 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Sad warning for a new season
In a message dated 10/18/99 9:38:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
(snippet)
<< The conduct of the game is the responsibility of the
coaches, officials and players, not the fans. The fans can scream all they
want but if the people responsible do their part, the game will stay in
control. The big problem with the NHL is that the Philadelphia Flyers
played t >>
Sadly, hockey is a business. The fans are the customers. What the
customers want, the customers usually get. It sells tickets, ad space, team
paraphernalia, etc. This is worth big bucks. Why is the viewership for
the NHL: All-Star game so low? Becuase there is virtually no-checking, and
definitely no fighting. The "stereotypical" hockey fan does not think that
the game can exist without fighting. "Its part of the game."
(snippet)
<< I watched the replays. That was not a "bone crushing hit".
Ruslan Salei shoved Modano in the back with his stick as they turned to go
behind the net and Modano lost his balance. >>
End result - his nose was broken, and I believe there was some damage to his
neck. The man was carried off the ice in a stretcher. That's
"bone-crushing" as far as I'm concerned. It just shows that a hit does not
have to be hard to do serious damage. Cheap and timed poorly can have
disasterous results.
(snippet)
< >
Sounds like a good idea to me.
(snippet)
<< It's up to the coaches to continue to emphasize that.............The whole
coaching staff is continually emphasizing the checking from behind is not
acceptable. I truly hope
everyone else is too. >>
I agree with ya here, Bill! It really has to go to ALL levels, though.
Including, and ESPECIALLY the NHL. ALL too many times, kids (and even
adults) imitate what they see on TV (whether intentional or not). I have
been a hockey fan (NHL) for over 20 some-odd years. I've been playing for 2
years. What images do you think are engrained in my mind when I see the puck
in the corner, and the opponent closing in on it? Needless to say, I spent
a LOT of my first year in the penalty box. :-( Even though I KNEW that I
was not supposed to hit anyone, it took a while for me to UNLEARN what I have
been watching all these years.
(snippet)
<< IMHO, when a player is injured as a result on an infraction
of the rules, both the player and the TEAM of the player committing the
infraction should be fined a figure equal to the dollar figure of the
injured players salary while out. THAT will cut down on the injuries.
>>
These guys make so much money, I'm not sure this will be enough. But, it's a
good start. How about SUSPENDING them for as long as the injured player is
out?
Jill
# 77 LI Hurrricanes
"Only you can prevent hcokey stick fires."
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:28:37 -0400
From: Barbara Bartholomew
Subject: Re: cleaning gear with bleach
Someone wrote : Bleach may not be the greatest thing for your gear, but it
(or any similar product) is the only thing that will kill the bacteria that
is growing in your equipment causing it to smell or mold.
I wonder if that a bit of the liquid Lysol concentrate we used to use to
clean linoleum floors would work without damaging equipment. It must still
be available. I don't know, because now that I'm playing hockey, I don't
have time to sanitize floors or peruse grocery store shelves.
Barbara
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:37:32 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Whats wrong with me?
In a message dated 10/19/99 12:34:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, email@hidden
writes:
<< As in the words of the "The Zamboni's" (The #1 Hockey Band in North
America):
"It takes guts to get to practice on time
Commitment, conviction, it's all a state of mind
So look alive and think...
Keep your head in the game!"
I think that pretty much sums up everything. >>
Great band (and great guys)- they played at my on-ice wedding :)
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:02:57 -0400
From: Val Schmitt
Subject: Re: Sad warning for a new season
email@hidden wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/18/99 9:38:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
> email@hidden writes:
>
> << IMHO, when a player is injured as a result on an infraction
> of the rules, both the player and the TEAM of the player committing the
> infraction should be fined a figure equal to the dollar figure of the
> injured players salary while out. THAT will cut down on the injuries.
> >>
>
> These guys make so much money, I'm not sure this will be enough. But, it's a
> good start. How about SUSPENDING them for as long as the injured player is
> out?
There's been a lot of discussion about this on another mailing
list I'm on - the only problem with this is when the victim
doesn't happen to get hurt badly (not that I want that to happen,
but it messes with the formula). As long as the player who does
the same thing, but just doesn't happen to hurt the opposing
player enough, is also punished just as strictly - there's so much
chance in how severe an injury is. I'd hate to see 2 guys do
exactly the same thing to other players, and 1 is out for the
season because the guy fell one way, but the other one is only out
a game because the other guy fell differently. Same violent act,
but only one is punished enough. It's a hard call...
- -Val
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:19:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden (Bronwyn S. Beistle)
Subject: Re: Sad warning for a new season
According to email@hidden:
>
> Sadly, hockey is a business. The fans are the customers. What the
> customers want, the customers usually get.
This is, unfortunately, not true. It is a business, but the fans do not
get what they want. If they did, the crease rule/video replay thing would
have died a quick death, and the debacle of last June wouldn't have
happened; the league would have cracked down on obstruction
consistently a long time ago; and the glow puck probably would have
fizzled out within a few months, at the most. Apparently, both the league
and the networks are more concerned with convincing people who aren't fans
to become fans than with satisfying people who are loyal fans already.
Bettman's encouragement/support for the proposed move of the NJ Devils to
Nashville a few years ago shows that this is true. What a great
idea--desert a loyal, strong fan base, and go somewhere else, just when
the team finally gets good.
Bronwyn Beistle
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:02:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Erin Malinowski
Subject: Re: Sad warning for a new season
How about setting a minimum penalty (say 30-45 days,
without pay, plus a fine for the club of at least the
suspended players salary x 2) add to the minimum a
club fine for the salary of the injured player for
each game he misses plus the suspension doesn't end
until both the 30-45 days are over and the injured
player is playing again.
But if a player is injured and doesn't return to
hockey (cause they were 40 years old and it was their
last season anyway) does the penalized player
return????
Erin
P.S. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all discuss this
and all the angles and submit our proposal to the NHL
and they adopted it?
> There's been a lot of discussion about this on
> another mailing
> list I'm on - the only problem with this is when the
> victim
> doesn't happen to get hurt badly (not that I want
> that to happen,
> but it messes with the formula). As long as the
> player who does
> the same thing, but just doesn't happen to hurt the
> opposing
> player enough, is also punished just as strictly -
> there's so much
> chance in how severe an injury is. I'd hate to see 2
> guys do
> exactly the same thing to other players, and 1 is
> out for the
> season because the guy fell one way, but the other
> one is only out
> a game because the other guy fell differently. Same
> violent act,
> but only one is punished enough. It's a hard call...
>
> -Val
> -=-
> Val Schmitt ** email@hidden Life
> is change.
> http://people.ne.mediaone.net/vschmitt Growth
> is optional.
> iMarket Inc SW QA: email@hidden
> Choose wisely.
> Nighthawks Ice Hockey C Team #22 --Karen
> Kaiser Clark
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:18:43 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: cleaning gear with bleach
In a message dated 10/19/99 6:31:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< I don't know, because now that I'm playing hockey, I don't
have time to sanitize floors or peruse grocery store shelves.
Barbara
>>
Is that why my house has been getting out of control, because I play hockey 3
or 4 times a week. hmmm. Maybe I should cut back on the hockey, let me
think......NAH!
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:32:18 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: fighting in hockey
In a message dated 10/18/99 10:30:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< The "stereotypical" hockey fan does not think that
the game can exist without fighting. "Its part of the game." >>
I have an ongoing 'discussion' with the men I play hockey with about this.
Because I am new to the game I wanted to see some hockey movies and they told
me "oh you gotta see Slapshot and Youngblood, those are hockey classics." So
off to the video store I went and was totally disappointed. Sex and fighting
were shown in abundance, but very little, if any, hockey. There wasn't even
two minutes worth of actual hockey playing in either movie, the players never
even made it from one end of the ice to the other without some fighting!
There was more hockey in The Mighty Ducks! And this is what these guys
consider 'classic hockey'? hmmm.
The new movie Mystery, Alaska has many flaws, but at least it has real hockey
players playing real hockey for the most part, and I don't remember any
fighting during hockey in it.
So I guess my point is that indeed there are those 'classic' hockey fans that
are into the fighting...I just don't get it...the real sport is in the skill
and grace of the game. I guess I'll just have to go watch the videotapes I
made of the women's olympic hockey games....Someone needs to make a movie
about them, that would be worth the screen time.!
laura
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:36:07 -0400
From: Amy Antonucci
Subject: hockey movies (was Re: fighting in hockey
At 12:32 PM 10/19/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>I have an ongoing 'discussion' with the men I play hockey with about this.
>Because I am new to the game I wanted to see some hockey movies and they
told
>me "oh you gotta see Slapshot and Youngblood, those are hockey classics." So
>off to the video store I went and was totally disappointed. Sex and
fighting
>were shown in abundance, but very little, if any, hockey. There wasn't even
>two minutes worth of actual hockey playing in either movie, the players
never
>even made it from one end of the ice to the other without some fighting!
>There was more hockey in The Mighty Ducks! And this is what these guys
>consider 'classic hockey'? hmmm.
Those movies are considered hockey classics not because they show a lot of
hockey, but the show some of what goes on 'behind the scenes' I think
every hockey movie has to have sex and fighting..I think it's a law :)
>The new movie Mystery, Alaska has many flaws, but at least it has real
hockey
>players playing real hockey for the most part, and I don't remember any
>fighting during hockey in it.
I saw it too. They did fight a bit during one of the games, but not a lot,
and obviously there was sex in it. (How about that scene with Ron Eldard!)
>So I guess my point is that indeed there are those 'classic' hockey fans
that
>are into the fighting...I just don't get it...the real sport is in the skill
Again, it's not the fighting that makes those movies, it's the
stereotypical hockey-playing characters and situations.
Amy
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To do justice, to love mercy, to walk humbly and to shoot straight."
- ---Roy Harper to his daughter Lian
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:38:57 -0400
From: Louise
Subject: Hockey movies and novels
>I have an ongoing 'discussion' with the men I play hockey with about this.
>Because I am new to the game I wanted to see some hockey movies and they told
>me "oh you gotta see Slapshot and Youngblood, those are hockey classics." So
>off to the video store I went and was totally disappointed.
Yeah, I wish there were more movies about the parts of hockey that I love.
I remember being so "homesick" for hockey-culture once (I think it was when
I was in the US and before I was playing much there) that I even cried in
that movie about a hockey player who becomes a pairs figure skater. I even
enjoy the heavy-handed educational skit films like "Call Me Coach" and
"Hockey Parents Make the Difference". Sometimes on TV you can find an old
('60s?) movie called Paperback Hero. I did like the Mighty Ducks movies,
especially the first one. Thanks for the review of Mystery AK, I'd been
wondering whether it was any good hockey-wise. There are some funny parody
bits about hockey (although very fight-centric) in the movie Strange Brew.
>So I guess my point is that indeed there are those 'classic' hockey fans that
>are into the fighting...I just don't get it...the real sport is in the skill
>and grace of the game. I guess I'll just have to go watch the videotapes I
>made of the women's olympic hockey games....Someone needs to make a movie
>about them, that would be worth the screen time.!
There's the (Canadian) National Film Board video The Game of Her Life (see
www.nfb.ca, $19.95 CDN) about the Canadian national team in 1997 and 1998.
The NFB also has a video about a men's old-timers team that I identified
with, Overtime (1984).
Can any of you recommend any other fiction about hockey? This is the list
I've thought of so far.
Scott Young, That Old Gang of Mine - fun adult novel (sort of a
fantasy-sequel to his kids' series) about male Olympic team
Frank Orr, I can't believe I can't remember the name of this very funny
book about an awful NHL expansion franchise called the Cleveland Big Green
Roy McGregor's kids series about a peewee team called the Screech Owls
(boys team with some female players)
Suzanne Martel, Peewee (Pi-Oui in original French) enjoyable kids' novel
Judith Alguire, Iced - lesbian fiction
The Magic Hockey Skates, Allan Morgan, ill Michael Martchenko - very nice
picture book
The Last Season, Roy McGregor - not bad story, gruesome ending
Amazons: An intimate memoir by the first woman ever to play in the NHL,
Cleo Birdwell - somewhat funny
and a kids' book that I owned in the early 70's and have since lost, a
Canadian paperback (with black and white photo illustrations) about a girl
playing hockey on a boys' team - I can't remember title or author, but
remember bits such as the coach calling players "yoogize" (for you guys),
and a denouement involving the central character's mother planning to take
a coaching clinic and have an all-girls' team next year "with no knocking
anybody down, except by accident".
Louise
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