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Women-in-Hockey Digest Saturday, October 9 1999 Volume 01 : Number 508
In this issue:
Glad you said something!
BU alumni game
Re: hockey after C-section
Re:NHLFA
Re: No hockey for me this season- again :(
Re: Re:NHLFA
Torn MCL
MCL
Re: NHLFA
Re: NHLFA
NHL & Women's hockey
Team Canada: Jen Botterill
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:39:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden (Bronwyn S. Beistle)
Subject: Glad you said something!
> Oh, and don't listen to anybody who tries to make you feel stupid about
> wanting to start playing hockey. Lots of women start in their 30's.
I'm really glad you said that..I'm 31, and haven't skated except in roller
rinks as a kid. I haven't been tremendously athletic in other ways,
either, so this is a new experience for me! I spend half my time excited
and half the time thinking "Are you crazy? You can't play *hockey*!"
So now, when I start to think I'm too old to learn or something, I'll know
that that's a load of garbage. :-) I love the story about the woman who
learned it at fifty. If she did that, I don't have any excuse for not
trying.
Best,
Bronwyn Beistle
Jacksonville, FL
P.S. I have a bad ankle (which I'm in the process of getting fixed). A
friend of mine has been helping me out with some stickhandling drills and
exercises to do while I'm unable to get on the ice, but the more the
merrier--if anybody knows any good off-ice stuff to do in the interim,
please let me know! Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:58:38 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: BU alumni game
And this was inspired by the Yale alumni game posting! So how did the BU
alumni game go? I myself am a BU alumni so if someone who went sees this,
perhaps you can tell me how it went. Big turnout? what years were represented?
It is wonderful to see that womens hockey has grown so much. When I started
playing in 83 I had to play with guys and put up with their moaning and
groaning about me playing. And now there is womens hockey everywhere, even
in Atlanta, where I currently live! Go women!
Rose
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Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 12:19:20 -0400
From: Barbara Bartholomew
Subject: Re: hockey after C-section
>Subject: No hockey for me this season- again :(
>
>Hi all-
>Some of you may remember an old post from me about my pregnancy, and a
>request for advice on getting back on the ice post-partum. I'd like
any advice you can give me if you had a C-Sec.
Jules,
I had 4 C-sections in my 20s and 30s and didn't start playing hockey until
my 40s. I do know that I healed the quickest from the operation when I was
very active soon after the surgery, with my first and last ones. When my
oldest daughter was born, we lived on a hill at the end of a long driveway,
no electricity or plumbing, no phone, heated with wood, car always breaking
down. I walked a lot, cut and hauled wood and water, broke ground for a
garden with a shovel. This went against common practice after abdominal
surgery in the 70s. They were wrong, and now I believe they recommend
women get any exercise they can tolerate as soon as possible. If you're
not ripping something open, you're probably benefitting your abdomen. When
my youngest son was born, I quit work and went on long walks on hilly
terrain with him in a backpack, played tennis, ran, swam. (I bet swimming
is really good after C-sections, when the cut is healed.) I had plumbing
and electricity by then, but I still loved to cut wood. With the middle
two, I was working and/or going to school too soon to make the time to
exercise.
Another issue though is fatigue, especially if you're nursing and not
getting enough sleep, and maybe league play is too strenuous, too late at
night, or takes you away from your baby too much. Can you try a pickup game
and see how it feels? Unless there was a particular problem with the
surgery and healing process, your muscles should be just as strong as ever.
It might hurt a bit, from scar tissue pulling or adhesions, but you should
be able to tell the difference between that and something more serious.
Anyway, you need some form of exercise. You know it's not easy to balance
your needs and your baby's; but this is key to wellbeing for you both.
Barbara
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:33:13 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re:NHLFA
At 5:36 PM -0600 10/7/99, READ THIS!!! wrote:
> Just because this is a women-in-hockey mailing list doesn't mean
>the only thing that
> can be posted has to do with women's hockey.
But if they are interested in those other topics, there are mail
lists and other places they can talk about it. they shouldn't try to
turn this list into something it isn't.
> If you don't like what is being posted, don't bitch about it....
> just skip it and read the next thing
Does that mean i should stop protecting the list from spam, too? I
mean, someone on the list might want it.
Sorry, off topic is off topic. We try to give people lots of leeway,
but ther are limits.
List Mom
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Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:email@hidden)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:email@hidden)
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:21:34 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: No hockey for me this season- again :(
Jules -
(oh no, I am visualizing the horror of posting a message because am not a
regular poster ) Sorry, now that I have that out of my system. I might
have a beginning exercise for you Jules that you can do anywhere! I have a
degenerated disk in my lower lumbar region (talk about being a pain to play
hockey!) and I have to constantly try to strengthen my abs to make up for the
deficeit in my back. My physical therapist told me to contract my abs and try
to breathe normally. It's a little tougher than it sounds, but you can
literally do it anywhere while doing just about anything. I think I started
by doing it in 2 minute intervals and then increasing the time. After a week
of just practicing that, I began to do while I was doing other exercises. I
probably have more exercises that might help you, you can email me if you
want more info, unless everyone would like to see them posted here.
Brenda
>I recall a few of you replied to me about playing post-partum...and I'd
>like
>any advice you can give me if you had a C-Sec. No one I know who had a
>C-Sec
>even exercises(!!!) So they're no help.
>
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:19:09 -0400
From: "Ron Goldey"
Subject: Re: Re:NHLFA
Personally, I very much appreciate a moderated list serve, provided the HMIC
(Head Moderator in Charge) is fair and objective in her/his filtering. I
used to ascribe to the philosophy of "you can simply delete anything you
don't want to read," but that's the same thinking the telemarketers who call
me at dinner time and Sunday morning use. I wish I had a moderated telephone
as well.
Keep up the good work, List Mom.
Ron
ps: Go Big Red
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:40:00 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Torn MCL
Hi -
Has anyone else out there experienced an MCL sprain? I tore up my MCL (grade
II sprain) about 5 weeks ago. I know what my orthopedist told me, and I
know what my physical therapist told me, but I'm looking for a reality check
(from other hockey players.)
How long has it taken you to get back on the ice and able to skate all-out?
How long before skating without that cumbersome knee brace? Does it fully
recover, or will the knee always feel pain & stiffness in the morning?
For those of you who do not know, the MCL is the MEDIAL Crucial Ligament -
loacted on the inside of the knee. (It's the lesser known cousin of the
notorious ACL).
Thanks.
Jill
# 77 LI Hurricanes
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:12:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
Subject: MCL
> Hi -
>
> Has anyone else out there experienced an MCL sprain? I tore up my MCL
> (grade
> II sprain) about 5 weeks ago. I know what my orthopedist told me, and I
> know what my physical therapist told me, but I'm looking for a reality
> check
> (from other hockey players.)
Jill,
Two years ago I tore my MCL on my right knee. I was still at MIT at the
time and I was given one
of the hip to ankle braces that you're probably referring to and told to
keep that on for six weeks.
Well, I don't have a lot of faith in the MIT doctors so I went to a
well-known sports medicine orthopedist
in Boston for a 2nd opinion. He told me that wearing that brace for the 2
weeks that I'd had it on had set
me back considerably. He said MCLs are very different from ACLs and that
with MCLs you need to exercise
them right from the beginning at least once a day for 30 minutes.
So, I immediately started physical therapy on my own. I used a stationary
bike, a stair climber, and a friend
to just work my leg back and forth at the knee. At first I couldn't even
make half a revolution on the stationary
bike and it hurt like hell! I thought this doctor must be crazy!
BUT, lo and behold, a week went by and I could do 3/4 of a revolution and
then 2 weeks and I was actually
cycling. By 3 weeks (5 weeks after the actual accident) I had my full range
of motion back, still with some pain, and got
back on the ice for practice. By 4 weeks there was only pain if I moved it
sideways too suddenly and I gingerly, and
with the acceptance of my doctor, started playing occasional shifts in
games. I wore an ACE type brace for
the remainder of that season (4 months) just to keep the heat in and keep
the muscle limber.
Now, two years later I have no ill effects except for occasional stiffness!
Hope it goes well for you!
- -Jill Depto
Renegades Women's Hockey
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:00:35 -0500
From: "Shari Cain"
Subject: Re: NHLFA
I'm with you all the way, #16 - you took the words right out of my mouth
(email..)..Relax out there...
>If you don't like what is being posted, don't bitch about it....just skip
it and
> read the next thing
>
> If you are a member of the women-in-hockey mailing list, who ever said you
> couldn't say what you wanted to say just because you don't regularly post
> messages?? There's a first time for everything.
>
> CHERIE #16
>
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "J.E. Hamer"
Subject: Re: NHLFA
I agree with what's been posted about just deleting the message. I must
also say that without organizations, such as the NHL, some of us may not
get as much of a chance to play. Some organizations have been plugging
money into women's hockey teams.
J.E.
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University of North Carolina
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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:23:52 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: NHL & Women's hockey
In a message dated 10/8/99 11:43:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< I agree with what's been posted about just deleting the message. I must
also say that without organizations, such as the NHL, some of us may not
get as much of a chance to play. Some organizations have been plugging
money into women's hockey teams.
J.E. >>
If it were not for the NHL, I would not be playing ice hockey today. It all
started one evening, about 2 1/2 years ago, sitting in front of the TV with
my sister, flipping channels. She stopped at a Devils game, becuase she
knows I love watching hockey. (I've been a hockey fan since the late 70's
when one of the Islanders, Lorne Henning, (now coaching) moved into the
house across the street from us.)
I was glued to the TV set. Out of nowhere, I blurted out "That looks like so
much fun!" Sis said "So, why don;t you play?"
me: "What the *#^&@ are you talking about?"
sis: "Ice hockey, stupid. Women;s Ice hockey. You should play women;s Ice
hockey."
me: "Yeah? There really is women;s ice hockey?"
and the rest......... is history..............
Jill
# 77 LI Hurricanes
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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:43:49 -0700
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Team Canada: Jen Botterill
Article on Jen Botterill from today's Globe and Mail:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/gam/Hockey/19991009/SHOTO.html
Phil, Victoria, BC
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