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Women-in-Hockey Digest Monday, June 28 1999 Volume 01 : Number 450
In this issue:
Re: ESPN Coverage
Re: ESPN Coverage
Re: ESPN Coverage
Our Spring League
[News]: Dayley, Harris Enter in Hall of Fame
Re: Our Spring League
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:34:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jessica Yeo
Subject: Re: ESPN Coverage
OK first off, i havent read all of the replies, so if
someone has already stated anything i say, im sorry.
soccer is not a boring sport, and in many ways it is
very similar to hockey. i know in one your skating
and using a stick while in the other your running and
kicking the ball, but in both, you go back and forth,
shooting on a goal, doing set plays.
I went to 4 world cup games in chicago, and the us
game was so exciting, the thrill was greater than
anything ive ever experienced. I know that h. and
s. are two diff sports, but both are so thrilling,
i know that i may have to go to college for my soccer
just because hockeys not reconized in nw ohio, the
closest rink is 45 minutes away while this coming
season, i have to travel and hour and a half just to
get to my home rink
womens hockey has tons of room to grow, as we all
know, while soccer is played universally
and until people can get w. hockey bigger off tv, its
just not gonna be showed much, you gotta remember,
theyre gonna show something thats gonna bring in the
most viewers
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:44:03 -0700
From: Ann Wilson
Subject: Re: ESPN Coverage
I too wish that ESPN would pick up women's hockey games, but I have to say
I am really enjoying these world cup soccer matches. It's nice to see so
many women atheletes on TV, but I'm even more excited because watching
these games is really helping me learn more about... hockey. The smart
passing, the dekes, players crashing the net, the importance of timing --
there are so many similarities! I'm taking notes as I watch, thinking to
myself, "next game, I'm going to take the puck down the center, instead of
forcing myself the boards, and I'm going to do fancy dekes just like Mia
Hamm!!"
I think it's important to thank ESPN for their extensive coverage of these
games, AND tell them to get their act together and show some women's hockey!
- -ann
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:36:46 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ESPN Coverage
In a message dated 6/27/99 6:44:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, email@hidden
writes:
<<
I think it's important to thank ESPN for their extensive coverage of these
games, AND tell them to get their act together and show some women's hockey!
-ann
>>
It owuld also be nice if USA Hockey would keep current info on the women;s
nat'l team. The schedule/results section on their homepage has info as
recent as march.
it would be nice if they publsihed a schedule - so even if we still cannot
get TV coverage, perhaps people can make plans to take in soem games in
person.
Jill
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:10:53 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Our Spring League
Anyone have any thoughts on this? My daughter's team entered what was to
have been a girls' spring league. They could only get 2 girls' teams and 3
women's teams. What followed was pretty ugly.
The women's teams were overly physical, verbally abusive, and all around
foul on the ice. My daughter's team was not angelic, but they were
subjected to a barrage of cursing the likes they had not heard from any
other teams they had played during the regular season. It takes a lot to
shock kids these days, and they were shocked. They were also tripped,
punched, slashed, hit from behind, etc. During the regular season, I
don't think we saw more than a couple of 10 minute penalties and game
misconducts. They were run of the mill in a 10 game spring season. When a
ref told a woman who had been suspended the previous game to leave the
bench, both she and the coach became absolutely livid and really nasty to
our coach and the ref. This kind of behavior wasn't limitied to just one
team, it was all of them. The other girls' team was fine. They had played
during the regular season, and the play was chippy and spirited, without
the nasty overtones of the other three teams.
Is women's hockey different than girls' hockey or did we run into a
difficult bunch of women? I know we won't be playing any of these teams
again. It was no fun for the kids or the parents. What was supposed to be
a fun spring season was a pretty dismal experience. Any thoughts?
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:59:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Morgan Dyer
Subject: [News]: Dayley, Harris Enter in Hall of Fame
(news)
Dayley, Harris Entered in Hockey Hall of Fame
Seattle, WA -- Cindy Dayley and Zoe Harris, coaches of the University
of Washington men's ice hockey club program, were entered into the
Hockey Hall of Fame, in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, this month for being
the first females to coach men's collegiate club ice hockey.
"We were both totally shocked to hear about The Hockey Hall of Fame.
This is something we did not expect and I can't express how honored we
feel." Dayley said.
Head coach Cindy Dayley and assistant coach Zoe Harris, the first
females known to take the helm of a men's ice hockey team at the
collegiate level, spearheaded the turn-around of the men's ice hockey
program at the University of Washington. The coaching staff led the
team to achieve their best record in over 10 years of 11-6, in the
women's first year behind the team's bench. The final 10 games of the
season were victories for the University of Washington Huskies, setting
team records in several categories.
"This past season we far exceeded the goals that we set," said coach
Dayley. "Next year, with the dedication of the players, we will raise
the bar so we can reach for the championship."
"I am excited to be a part of the rebuilding process for the Husky
hockey program," Harris said. "The University of Washington has a great
sports history and we plan to continue that great reputation in the
PAC-8 and American College Hockey Association leagues."
When asked about coaching men Dayley said, "As for the issue of me
being female and coaching men... it is an non-issue. Many women have
the experience and the knowledge to coach men, in hockey and in other
sports... they just need to be given the chance to prove it."
The coach's jacket and hat have been donated to the Hall, as well as a
team jersey, team & coach's picture, among other things. Cindy Dayley,
38, works for Washington Mutual as a Loan Underwriter. She grew up in
Seattle, Washington and played Canadian women's AAA hockey and has been
coaching individuals and teams for the past 13 years. Zoe Harris, 29,
from Barrington, Rhode Island, works for The Pacific Institute as a Web
and Technology Project Lead, and was involved with the University of
Maine women's ice hockey club program until 1992. Both women have been
involved with the development of female ice and in-line hockey in the
Seattle area for the past 10 years.
Dayley and Harris also are the co-founders, with Alan Chim of
Vancouver, BC, of the 49th Parallel, a non-profit organization that
helps US and Canadian female ice hockey players improve their skills
through clinics/camps/teams/tournaments, as well as assists them in
gaining exposure to collegiate scouts. The program promotes players
and assist varsity coaches in identifying potential future players.
The 49th Parallel is also currently working on "Project College Clubs,"
a program that helps women start ice hockey clubs at the collegiate
level. The 49th Parallel can be reached at
http://whockey.hypermart.net
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:50:55 -0400
From: Val Schmitt
Subject: Re: Our Spring League
Hi Debbie,
Sorry that your daughter had such a bad experience playing against
women's teams. That could really sour her toward playing as an
adult, and I hope she can rise above the experience and continue
to play for many decades to come - and show the next generation of
girls that adults aren't nasty just because they're adults!
But I want to let you know that not all women's teams are like
this. Our league's womens teams are generally quite sporting, but
usually not over the top (yes, on occasion things get beyond
what's necessary, but that's the exception, not the rule).
Frankly, in my experience (both winter and spring/summer seasons)
it's often the other way around from what you describe. When we
play the younger girls' teams the games are much more physical and
chippy, close to being dangerous on occasion. I've even heard some
of our B players asking to move down a level because of the midget
girls' style of play... However, I don't personally blame the
girls because their teams are frequently playing boys teams and in
those situations it's hard not to play that way ( ;) ). My
personal problem with the more physical play is that I have to get
up and go to work the next morning - and my body just doesn't
recover the way it did when _I_ was a teenager! [Although I wasn't
playing hockey when I was a teenager, so I'll just remember the
ease of recovering from tennis and volleyball back then...]
I think there are problems with unsporting play at all ages,
levels and _genders_. As others on this list have said before, the
problems generally start with coaches and parents. If the adults
connected with girls' hockey allow rough play, then we can hardly
fault the girls for playing that way. But how do you solve that
problem when it's adult women playing and coaching that way? I'd
like to say they should "know better", but we all know people who
disagree. If the refs and the league organizers aren't going to
set rules for behaviour (including dismissal from the league after
specified offenses) and stick by them, there's not a whole lot
individual players can do.
Perhaps your team and the other girls' team can "officially"
complain to the league? Are those women's teams organized enough
to have directors to approach about this issue? This is a common
problem, and although I'd bet it won't go away, it shouldn't be
ignored - that's why it happens so often. If players think they
can get away with it, and their coaches won't discipline them,
then they're not going to stop.
Anyway, not much in the way of concrete suggestions, but good
luck, and please let your daughter know that not all women's
teams/players are like that!
- -Val
Debbie Minden wrote:
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on this? My daughter's team entered what was to
> have been a girls' spring league. They could only get 2 girls' teams and 3
> women's teams. What followed was pretty ugly.
>
> The women's teams were overly physical, verbally abusive, and all around
> foul on the ice. My daughter's team was not angelic, but they were
> subjected to a barrage of cursing the likes they had not heard from any
> other teams they had played during the regular season. It takes a lot to
> shock kids these days, and they were shocked. They were also tripped,
> punched, slashed, hit from behind, etc. During the regular season, I
> don't think we saw more than a couple of 10 minute penalties and game
> misconducts. They were run of the mill in a 10 game spring season. When a
> ref told a woman who had been suspended the previous game to leave the
> bench, both she and the coach became absolutely livid and really nasty to
> our coach and the ref. This kind of behavior wasn't limitied to just one
> team, it was all of them. The other girls' team was fine. They had played
> during the regular season, and the play was chippy and spirited, without
> the nasty overtones of the other three teams.
>
> Is women's hockey different than girls' hockey or did we run into a
> difficult bunch of women? I know we won't be playing any of these teams
> again. It was no fun for the kids or the parents. What was supposed to be
> a fun spring season was a pretty dismal experience. Any thoughts?
- --
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