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Women-in-Hockey Digest Friday, June 25 1999 Volume 01 : Number 449
In this issue:
Jackie Barto Camp - repeat ad
ESPN Coverage
Re: ESPN Coverage
Re: ESPN Coverage
Re: ESPN Coverage
Re: ESPN Coverage
RE: ESPN Coverage
Re: ESPN Coverage
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:36:33 -0500
From: "James D. Lorino"
Subject: Jackie Barto Camp - repeat ad
3 PEEWEE / MIDGET SLOTS STILL AVAILABLE
5 SQUIRT SLOTS AVAILABLE
*** Just a note - we have had some people ask what level the camp is. This
is a camp INSTRUCTED by collegiate coaches and players. RECREATIONAL and
NEW PLAYERS with some skills welcome. Jackie and her team do a good job of
breaking out players by skill and taking advantage of all the ice and
coaching available.
*** Don't forget GOALIES GOALIES GOALIES
Jackie Barto's 2nd Annual Women's Collegiate Ice Hockey Camp
July 12-16, 1999
The Ponds of Brookfield
Brookfield, WI (Milwaukee Wisconsin Metro Area)
Camp Director: Jackie Barto, Women's Ice Hockey Head Coach, Ohio State
University
Asst. Director & Goalie Coach: Sue Mussey, Former Women's Assoc. Head
Coach, Providence College
Squits (12 and Under) & Midget / PeeWees (18 and Under) - $350 per skater.
8:30 am to 3:00 pm daily
ALL NEW THIS YEAR - WOMEN'S SENIOR BEGINNER SECTION
Five 1.5 hour sessions, Evenings 6:00 pm to 7:30 pm. - $125 per skater
What a great way for Mom and Daughter to take a hockey trip!
Camp instructors and counselors will be current and former NCAA Division I,
II, and III Women's Hockey Players and Coaches. OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALISTS ARE
POSSIBLE. NCAA rules prohibit the use of collegiate athletes names for
promotional purposes, so we are not allowed to list our instructors. Last
year we had 13 players and coaches, along with 3 local coaches, and a 3 to
1 player to instructor ratio throughout the camp - we will strive to
maintain that ratio (except for Women's Senior).
The camp is scheduled during one of the busiest weeks in Milwaukee:
July 9-11: The Greater Milwaukee Open PGA Tour Event
South Shore Water Frolics (lots of fireworks at the lakefront)
Bastille Days - French ethnic festival in Downtown streets
July 11: The Great Circus Parade
July 15-18: Festa Italiana - the nation's largest Italian ethnic festival,
on the lakefront. Best fireworks you'll ever see.
4 Milwaukee Brewer home games
We have lots of great things planned for the camp. What a great way for
your Daughter to get a great hockey camp with ALL FEMALE instructors, AND
for Mom to start playing hockey!!
For more information call:
Jim Lorino (414) 821-1688
or e-mail email@hidden
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James D. Lorino
email@hidden
Brookfield, WI USA
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:14:25 -0400
From: Ken
Subject: ESPN Coverage
After sitting here flicking between the NHL Awards Ceremony and the US
Women's Soccer game, it hit us that ESPN thinks nothing of showing this
boring sport of soccer but has yet to carry one single game from the
WWHC!!! They're showing soccer games that don't even involve the US
team!! They give soccer all this coverage but couldn't even show the
final game from this years WWHC in Finland. That really boils my blood!
I noticed on their site just now that they want people to vote for the
women's sport they'd really like to see on ESPN. Women's hockey isn't
even listed!!!!!!!!! Not even room for a write in either!! Needless to
say we dispatched a letter out to them complaining about there lack of
interest in this sport and suggested they get their heads out of the
clouds and start planning something for next years tournament. This is a
real shame being this sport has jumped leaps and bounds here in the US
since Nagano. These people at ESPN really need to wake up. This is a
real shame!
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:35:24 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ESPN Coverage
I hate to say this, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who think that
HOCKEY is boring. (I, however, am not one of them.) There are plenty of
people who think soccer is a great sport, and fun to watch. I am guessing
that, worldwide, soccer is probably the sport with more spectators than any
other single sport. (I did not check any facts on this - please do not blast
me if this is wrong.)
There are more kids in the US - girls included - that play soccer than play
ice hockey. Soccer is great for young kids to learn - it teaches them basic
sports skills, team play, sportsmanship, and self esteem. Perhaps most
importantly, it is also very inexpensive to get started playing - just about
every kid in the US has a pair of sneakers, almsot evey kid already knows how
to run - and to buy one soccer ball for a team of 10-15 kids is nto a lot of
money. What is the cost of "field time?" Well, it is free - just go to a
local schoolyard or city park and there it is! No wonder this sport is so
popular!
Sicne so many girls play soccer, it is a fabulous opportunity to show the
womens' world cup soccer on TV. That way, the girls who are playing today
can have heros in their sport to look up to as well. (And Nike can make
mega bucks selling the Mia Hamm soccer jerseys!)
It certainly does not matter that it is not the US playing. If Korea is
playing Nigeria you might think "who cares?" But somewhere there is a young
kid saying "Where is Korea?" A mother takes out a world atlas or a globe, adn
points it out to the inquisitive youngter. VOILA! Somehting new is learned.
So, you can see that there are lots of good things that come out of showing
this "boring" game on TV.
Just becuase YOU dont; like soccer, does not mean that everyone else feels
the same way. I'm sure that the marketing gurus at ESPN put a lto of thought
and research into what they are goign to broadcast. And, sadly, it almost
always boils down to what makes money. That is the bottom line.
However, with the increase of the numebr of young girls playing ice hockey
each year, maybe someday women's ice hockey will be a "regualr" showing on TV
in the US. If you can't wait until then I have 2 words for you....... "Oh,
Canada......" :-)
(I was on a ski trip in Canada this winter, and they had women;s college
hcokey on TV every afternoon!)
Jill
# 77 LI Hurricanes
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
In a message dated 6/24/99 9:17:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
<<
After sitting here flicking between the NHL Awards Ceremony and the US
Women's Soccer game, it hit us that ESPN thinks nothing of showing this
boring sport of soccer but has yet to carry one single game from the
WWHC!!! They're showing soccer games that don't even involve the US
team!! They give soccer all this coverage but couldn't even show the
final game from this years WWHC in Finland. That really boils my blood!
I noticed on their site just now that they want people to vote for the
women's sport they'd really like to see on ESPN. Women's hockey isn't
even listed!!!!!!!!! Not even room for a write in either!! Needless to
say we dispatched a letter out to them complaining about there lack of
interest in this sport and suggested they get their heads out of the
clouds and start planning something for next years tournament. This is a
real shame being this sport has jumped leaps and bounds here in the US
since Nagano. These people at ESPN really need to wake up. This is a
real shame!
>>
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:49:29 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ESPN Coverage
I was kind of annoyed that espn wasn't covering the NHL awards, since
I don't get espn2. Usually they retelevise later on, but it'd be nice to see
it live or whatever. I understand that showing the world cup game would be
better ratings (well maybe, I'm not totally sure.) I kinda like watching
women's soccer, well just the US team, since I actually recognize the names,
although men's soccer bores me. Also, I can actually watch WNBA games, but
not men's basketball. I guess I'm just weird like that.
ESPN should cover women's hockey. There's night's where they show
bloopers and rerun billiard matches, so they could at least show it tape
delay or something.
I did read on a message board thing about girls/womens teams from
Minnesota participating in a tournament in Alaska that was "supposed" to be
covered by ESPN.
Here's the link to the message:
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/hockeyplayers/bbsfr?action=m&tid=hockeyplayers&si
d=12173287&mid=169&
Jennie
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:22:18 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ESPN Coverage
Well, considering that soccer is the most popular sport in the world, I'm
guessing that's why the World Cup is recieving so much coverage. And like
Datbytes pointed out, many more girls in the United States look up to the
women's soccer players, and play soccer themselves than hockey. I think that
the sport getting coverage is good for women's sports in general. I read an
article in Time magazine saying that in 1995 only 6 games were broadcasted on
television in the United States. Now, every game is being shown. Hopefully,
this will pave the way for more attention to other women's sports, such as
hockey. Where I live(Atlanta) most people don't even know that girls play
hockey, and are shocked when they see me play with boys. The sport has a
long way to go to before it gets the recognition it deserves.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:34:24 -0400
From: "TeePee Communications"
Subject: Re: ESPN Coverage
We all have to keep in mind ESPN bases it's programing on one thing - MONEY.
Soccer is much more popular than women's hockey. They can get more advertisers to pay
during soccer telecasts than womens hockey.
Here in Canada TSN has covereed all the WWHC's so far, but usually only the finals and one
other game, not the whole thing. TSN does not have as much other things to cover as ESPN
does.
As far as the last WWHC from Finland, the time difference, plus the cost of satellite time (Ten's
of thousands of dollars an hour), sending commentators and technicians there for a week, put up
against the return they will get in advertising and ratings, plus competing sports coverage,
probably made it not worth it to them. On the other hand, they could have just paid to pick up
TSN's feed, which TSN regualrly does with ESPN feeds, which is exactly what ESPN did with
CBC's feed of the NHL awards last night. I am not making excuses for them, but I can see they
expect a big return and dont see it with women's hockey. A little education seems necesary.
I think it would be great if they would investigate the popularity of women's hockey, because
they obviously don't understand the value.
And during the Stanley Cup playoffs, when a women's soccer game went late and cut into
ESPN's Stanley Cup pregame show, John Saunder's said "I don't mind being pre-empted, but
not for women's soccer ! " Then the women's soccer cut-ups started. No one saw this part
because it wasn't put on the air on ESPN.
For those who didn't seee the awards, Hayley Wickenheiser and Cassie Campbell presented Al
MacInnis his award.
They also showed Manon Rhˇaume in net for Tampa Bay as one of the most memorable
moments of hockey history.
Tim
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TeePee Communications
Womens Hockey Photo Website
http://web.idirect.com/~teepee/hockey.htm
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:11:49 -0500
From: "Roehr, Susan N"
Subject: RE: ESPN Coverage
I, of course, would also like ESPN to show women's hockey. It interests me,
though, how we could ever think showing all the Women's World Cup soccer
games is a bad thing. I don't think soccer is boring at all; in fact, if I
could still play soccer, I wouldn't be on the ice.
I'm happy to see women athletes on the television, period, no matter what
sport they're playing. And earlier this week, I had to make this unusual
decision: Do I go watch the US Women's fastpitch team live, stay home and
watch the WNBA, or stay home and watch World Cup. Imagine being fortunate
enough to choose between *3* women's sporting events on the same day.
Any visibility of women is sports is, in my opinion, a Good Thing.
Unfortunately, money moves the machine--ESPN shows those sports it thinks
will generate revenue in the end, which is also one of the reasons the WNBA
has lasted whilst the ABL folded. It's amazing to think that ESPN could
actually even consider showing a women's sport at all--five years ago, no
one would have thought they would have enough of a following to make a
profit. And I think one of the interesting things about televising soccer
is the lack of commercial breaks--how many viewers really pay attention to
that tiny advertising logo in the corner of the screen? It's got to be a
gamble. They must be banking on the future of the sport.
Instead of complaining about women's soccer, we should all be conniving to
give hockey the same visibility. It is already more visible than it was
before the last Olympics. Three months ago, I'll bet most Americans could
name one US soccer player and one US hockey player: Hamm and Granato. Now
Americans can name the entire starting lineup of the US soccer team.
Something for us to aspire to, I think.
Susan
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:41:22 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: ESPN Coverage
For everyone who has something to say to ESPN regarding last night's
programing, please send them a comment. They consider every letter as
representing a large number of viewers. Its the tip of the ice berg. Here
is the address. http://espn.go.com/sitetools/contact/lettersespn.html
When you consider that practically the only women in sports several years
ago were the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, things have changed. Women's team
sports were non-exixtent. All you could find was tennis, figure skating,
and the occasional down hill skiier. Everything comes in good time, and
women's hockey will arrive someday as well.
I loved everything about last night, even the soccer. I have noticed that
kids who play soccer understand the strategy of hockey. My daughters, who
gave up soccer after one year, loved the commercials about team players,
sportsmanship, etc. The NHL Awards were wonderful. It was something to
watch my husband tear up at the presence of Rocket Richard. Also, have you
ever heard anyone thank his wife FIRST like Selennu did? I would have
passed up a first run ER for ESPN's programming yesterday.
Debbie
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