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Women-in-Hockey Digest    Saturday, August 14 1999    Volume 01 : Number 478



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   Re: Girls playing on boy's high school team
   Girls vs. Women
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:47:56 -0400
From: "Ron Goldey" 
Subject: Re: Girls playing on boy's high school team

I thought since you specifically asked for my comments relating to your
daughter playing on a boy's high school team, I'd answer you directly.

If you've been following the 'girls playing with boys' thread you've
probably observed that almost no one has addressed the full-contact nature
of boy's high school hockey, and it's a whole lot different than what most
of the people who have contributed are used to. Since your daughter is 12,
it's safe for me to assume that she's been playing in a checking league for
a few years now. I don't know what position she plays, and I don't know how
much expert coaching she receives, but I think it's imperative that she get
some expert coaching on how to give and take a check. My daughter attended
two elite defenseman camps. They were boy's camps in MN that were willing to
take girls. The first year she was the only girl, and the second year she
was one of two. The defenseman camp was highly structured around
positioning, and the coaches impressed on all the players how important it
was to be in the right place and position when giving, and especially
taking, a hit. I think, in hindsight, that these weeks in summer were one
contributing factor in my daughter never getting hurt in the four years that
she played high school.

When my daughter was a freshman, she had to decide whether or not to skate
one more year as a bantam or try out for the high school team. She chose
high school, because they got four practices a week, and she felt she would
get better from practices rather than from games. As it turned out the team
had a rash of injuries and academic problems, and half way through the
season she found herself on a varsity line. She played every game as a
varsity player from that point on.

I don't know what your coach is like. Ours is a great guy. He believes in
giving everyone an opportunity to succeed. He has gone out of his way to
help our daughter overcome her shortcomings (most notably, her slapshot),
spending extra time with her and offering excellent advice. He also is a
great believer in off-ice training: dry land workouts, puck drills in the
basement and high school gym, and weight lifting. Weight lifting is perhaps
the most important key to being able to 'play with the big boys'. I can't
emphasize enough the importance of a solid weight and plyometrics training
schedule. It's the single-most deterrent to injury, and your daughter won't
believe how much faster and stronger she is out on the ice.

We also have a summer skating program. 1 night a week, all the high
schoolers play a pick-up style scrimmage. It's open to any kid, age 13-18,
and we urge the 8th graders to come out and get a feel for what it's going
to be like in high school. It's non-checking but not non-contact, so
everyone gets a good workout. Most of the 8th graders decide to play high
school, but a few decide to play that extra year of bantam. I should mention
that our high school team falls under Ohio High School Ath. Assn. rules
(much shorter season, many less games) instead of USAH rules, and a number
of kids choose the USAH route so they can play more games, travel every
weekend, etc.

There's one other direction your daughter might think about-- prep school. I
know a lot of girls go that route, and if your daughter is a good athlete,
she's may wish to look into it as a viable alternative to public school.
There are some great girl's high school hockey teams in the prep schools. A
lot of them are in the east, but I know of at least one very good one in
north-central Indiana, and there are good ones as well in MN and WI. A very
good summer girl's camp that will introduce your daughter to the prep
schools (they all recruit there) is Dartmouth's Elite Hockey School. It's
run by George and Patty Crowe. George was Dartmouth's women's head coach,
and before that he was the men's head coach. Patty is his daughter. It's
also run by Dartmouth's head coach, Judy Parish.

If you have any questions feel free to email me. I will be happy to tell you
what I know, and if you do have some interest in the prep school avenue, I
know several folks who would be happy to share their experiences in that
area.

Good luck to your daughter.
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In a message dated 8/10/99 12:33:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:

<<
 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:26:01 -0400
 From: "Ron Goldey" 
 Subject: Re: Helmet Painting, a little knowledge...

 Hey Donald, when you want to start the "girls playing on a boy's high
school
 team" thread, I'll be happy to respond with my 2c.

 Ron Goldey
  >>
I'm the mother of a 12 yr. old girl who's played 8 yrs. on boy's teams and I
would be interested to hear Donald's and your 2c worth on "girls playing on
boy's high school teams".  The older she gets, the more concerned I am
becoming.

Debbie Antognoli  #49's Mom

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:21:52 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Girls vs. Women

I've heard it all.  The girls are too rough, the women's teams are too rough, 
the foul language!  It's difficult to match up girls and women's teams so 
that the play of each team compliments the other.  Girls teams, especially 
those that are National bound, play very competitively.  Let's face it, 
hockey is a contact sport!  No checking does not mean no contact.  My 
daughter's team has had the experience of playing recreational women's teams 
where the complaints were that the girls were too aggressive and too 
physical.  On the other hand, they have played against a National bound 
Women's B team who also played very aggressive and were very physical.  These 
were very exciting games.  I believe that you need to investigate the style 
and level of play before joining a league or tournament to participate in.  
Find teams that compliment your style and your level of play.  Girls and 
women can play together.

The other issue involves how the league is run.  Some associations/leagues 
take pride in how they run their programs and have disciplinary committees 
available to address problems during the league season.  This applies to 
players, coaches, spectators and officials.  Check out the association or the 
league before joining.  You do not want to join any league or tournament that 
has no administrative support and structure behind it.  A reputable 
association or league will have structure in place to ensure the core values 
of USA Hockey, including sportsmanship, fair play, etc.

Good luck in your search for the right league.  It's out there, you just have 
to look.

Peggy 

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:54:12
From: watchdog 
Subject: [none]

test do these links still work?

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