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Women-in-Hockey Digest Tuesday, May 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 216
In this issue:
Re: Hayley Wickenheiser
Judy Diduck/Leslie Reddon
french roller hockey (traditional) cup 1998
Size in hockey today versus even five years ago
Re: Hayley Wickenheiser
Re: Hayley
Re: size as a success criteria
Re: size as a success criteria
Re: size as a success criteria
Re: Hayley Wickenheiser
In urgent need of assistance...
Re: Hayley Wickenheiser
Re: Hayley Wickenheiser
Fw: British Women's Championship Weekend Results - 23/24/May/98
[none]
Oklahoma Teams
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:37:51 -0700
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Re: Hayley Wickenheiser
>email@hidden writes:
>I've no doubt Hayley could make a good attempt at "holding her own" >in the
NHL- but for how long?
Nobody's talking about her playing in the NHL, just turning up for a
prospect's camp for a few days. Quite a difference!
Phil
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 06:18:35 -0700
From: email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
Subject: Judy Diduck/Leslie Reddon
Hi!
I understand that players from Team Canada are doing signings accross the
country on behalf of the National Film Board video "The Game of Her Life."
I also understand that Judy Diduck and Leslie Reddon were the two players
that were signing in Vancouver on the weekend. Does anybody know:
a) if they are still in town and will be signing elsewhere
b) if any other players are coming to Vancouver for signings
Liam
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:40:39 +0200
From: "Tarassioux Boris"
Subject: french roller hockey (traditional) cup 1998
Results of the 1998 french national women cup of roller hockey
(traditional) :
1 ASPTT BORDEAUX
2 MERIGNAC
3 WASQUEHAL
4 LAVAL
5 NOISY
6 LE POIRE SUR VIE
all tables on http://www.scalaire.fr/inforoller/niouzes.htm
Ciao.
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Boris Tarassioux (Vaulx-en-Velin / France) email@hidden
France Rink-Hockey Infos
http://www.scalaire.fr/inforoller/
WORLDHOCKEY
http://www.worldhockey.com/
3615 INFOROLLER
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:10:23 -0700
From: James and Jeanne Wade
Subject: Size in hockey today versus even five years ago
We saw ten of the Major Junior teams play last winter in Canada.
Without exception the only kids on the teams under six feet and 200
pounds were 20 year old veterans who were not drafted into the NHL
systems. GOalies were even over six feet. These changes are recent,
truly within the last five years. The smaller guys have guys on their
teams to protect their backs. So I am definitely not saying a women
shouldnt be able to play in the same game. I have come to the
conclusion, and I believe most professional scouts see this the same
way, size is a primary or key factor. Korolyek didn't play this year
because of his size and the same can be said for Steve Guolla. I will
always retain a mind's eye picture of Igor Larionov taking a face off
last year against Lindos where Lindros simply pushed Igor back about ten
feet toward the net before a Detroit Defenseman could give Igor second
man coverage. My favorite is when Andrei Nazarov simply picked Grosek
up by the back of the sweater and tossed him about eight or nine feet
one night at Sharks-Sabres game. If anything Rheaume's (manon) try out
with the Lightening might pave the wave for goalies. The overriding
factor is there is such a phenomenon skill level requirement that if you
get close you learn how to use your body. Not many men have it and even
fewer women. I think women can develop leg strength a bit easier, come
up to par with men, look at crew and skiing. The upper body strength is
a push. I do not know how many guys could do this, but Gordie Howe
could pick up 100 pounds in each hand and do full arm extensions holding
it. Admittedly that is amazing arm strength but I understand there are
a good number of youngsters today who can do the same feat. Perhaps,
what will evolve will be weight class professional sports. Football
played by Sumo wrestlers---yuck!
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:13:28 EDT
From: DAT BYTES
Subject: Re: Hayley Wickenheiser
In a message dated 98-05-25 16:45:41 EDT, email@hidden writes:
<< >email@hidden writes:
>I've no doubt Hayley could make a good attempt at "holding her own" >in the
NHL- but for how long?
Nobody's talking about her playing in the NHL, just turning up for a
prospect's camp for a few days. Quite a difference!
Phil
>>
If that's all that the hype is about - then she should go for it!! She can
only come out a better player for it. (If she doesn't get flattened against
the boards by some jerk who feels he has to prove something!!)
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:18:47 EDT
From: Goneskatin
Subject: Re: Hayley
In a message dated 98-05-25 11:17:48 EDT, email@hidden writes:
>
>Let's recall that ice hockey is not exclusively a game for very big men.
>Big men also have a lot of inertia when they go down and hit the ice after
>being elevated up in the air by a clean, low hip check. There are some
>relatively mesomorphic men and even a few relatively small men that have
>made their mark in the NHL (Theo Fleury is just one who comes to mind and
>how big is Paul Kariya?). They have had to make up for size with speed and
>cunning and very good hands, play-making and visualizing skills--skills
>that Hayley has most likely been working hard to develop.
>--GG
Fleury and Kariya have grown up in full contact league play, most women have
not. The big hit avoidance skills aren't burned in like they are in guys.
Women going from incidental contact to full checking, coupled with the size
difference is dangerous.
I do agree practicing with guys, minus the checking, does elevate a woman's
game a few notches. I have benefited from staying for drop-in hockey after
women's clinics, in speed, play making, and overall skating. And I can attest
to the "big man inertia" thing...I've been under a few of them when they
toppled over!...
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:23:18 EDT
From: Goneskatin
Subject: Re: size as a success criteria
In a message dated 98-05-25 10:45:50 EDT, email@hidden writes:
>Well taken points about women in hockey. I think your comments are
>relevant and applicable to males in many instances also. The
>requirements of play at the NHL level should never deter anyone from
>playing the game and enjoying it. Now, pray tell, what do you do about
>an old women (50+) like me who still likes to mess around out on the
>ice. Can't call it playing exactly, but it is fun nonethless. Hope
>your games go well.
>
>
>Jeanne Wade
Lift weights, Jeanne..and keep skating! There's a 72 year old woman in
Minnesota still skating in a league! I want to be on the first nursing home
club team
....I'll be looking for ya in the Senior Olympics!
Terry Pendergast (41 moons)<-------in training for the Senior Olympics!
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:42:48 +0100
From: Ellen Haller
Subject: Re: size as a success criteria
Great to read your posts...for several years now, I've joked with friends
that I'll be playing hockey in the future even if I'll need skates attached
to my walker!
- -Ellen Haller (40 yr old hockey playing fool)
(P.S. Please tell me more about the senior olympics!)
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:56:57 EDT
From: Goneskatin
Subject: Re: size as a success criteria
In a message dated 98-05-25 23:50:38 EDT, email@hidden writes:
>Great to read your posts...for several years now, I've joked with friends
>that I'll be playing hockey in the future even if I'll need skates attached
>to my walker!
>-Ellen Haller (40 yr old hockey playing fool)
>
>(P.S. Please tell me more about the senior olympics!)
>
>
I don't think hockey is currently a sport in the senior olympics, but that
didn't stop Cammi and friends, did it? I hope that enough women keep
playing into their golden years so we can have a new division in tournament
play, i.e. girls, women, and masters. When I arrive at the retirement home, I
want to see a gym attached to it! The only way to make that happen is to
create a need that some business wants to fill. Keep training ladies!
Terry Pendergast
P.S. RedWingFoxx.......I am rolling on the floor laughing! The joke is sooo
"Canadian"!
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:32:37 -0400
From: "Cindy Goodman"
Subject: Re: Hayley Wickenheiser
Denis Savard and Theo Fluery even though they may be short by NHL standards still have one thing you can't deny. They are men. No matter how short some players may be (they have to be fast or they won't survive) they still have a man's muscle capacity. Except for steroids women can never match men's muscle mass. It's just a scientific fact. I heard Hayley yesterday talking on the CBC radio about her upcoming "tryout" with the Flyers. She made it very clear that this was not a tryout at all and that it was the Flyers prospects skate she was attending and that she had no aspirations that this would become anything more than a chance for her to improve her skills. The announcer asked her what she would do if she was offered a spot with the Flyers and Hayley laughed and said that that was not really a possibility that she had entertained at this point. The announcer pressed her on it by saying why then was she going to this camp? Hayley replied, to simply improve her skills.
So unless some genetic scientist somewhere in the future comes up some pill to take so that woman can be as physically strong as men, women in the NHL or any other men's league for that matter is not a possibility at this point. Women's tennis, women's golf, women's basketball. None of these sports tries to play with the men, so why does hockey? What's wrong with the women having their own game? It's a good game.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:30:27 -0700
From: Liz Johnson
Subject: In urgent need of assistance...
Yuckie!
Check your homeowner's insurance or your landlord's insurance. I recently
went through two concurrent floods at my house (1. the El Nino, 2. the
washing machine). My hockey bag and all equipment inside were a lovely
shade of green and smelled to the high heavens. I didn't even try to clean
the stuff, as there was no way I was ever going to put it on my body again.
Too gross.
After much talking (and some arguing) with my landlord he agreed to file a
claim and I have some lovely new equipment now. I loved my old stuff but
my new stuff is 'da bomb'.
Good luck Madeleine!
Liz
#6
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:50:03 +0200
From: Nick Heim
Subject: Re: Hayley Wickenheiser
At 08:32 26.05.98 -0400, you wrote:
>Denis Savard and Theo Fluery even though they may be short by NHL
standards still have one thing you can't deny. They are men. No matter how
short some players may be (they have to be fast or they won't survive) they
still have a man's muscle capacity. Except for steroids women can never
match men's muscle mass. It's just a scientific fact. I heard Hayley
yesterday talking on the CBC radio about her upcoming "tryout" with the
Flyers. She made it very clear that this was not a tryout at all and that
it was the Flyers prospects skate she was attending and that she had no
aspirations that this would become anything more than a chance for her to
improve her skills. The announcer asked her what she would do if she was
offered a spot with the Flyers and Hayley laughed and said that that was
not really a possibility that she had entertained at this point. The
announcer pressed her on it by saying why then was she going to this camp?
Hayley replied, to simply improve her skills.
>So unless some genetic scientist somewhere in the future comes up some
pill to take so that woman can be as physically strong as men, women in the
NHL or any other men's league for that matter is not a possibility at this
point. Women's tennis, women's golf, women's basketball. None of these
sports tries to play with the men, so why does hockey? What's wrong with
the women having their own game? It's a good game.
>
Finally somebody who got the point on this issue, i 100% agree with
everything you mentioned! No women will ever have the physical ability to
play NHL, thats a fact.
The womens game has allready developed its one style and its a good one i
think (skill and passing based). If the NHL further goes for size and away
from skillfully played attacking game, the womens game may draw a lot of
fans who like to see the real game!
regards, Nick
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:22:11 EDT
From: Goneskatin
Subject: Re: Hayley Wickenheiser
In a message dated 98-05-26 12:03:51 EDT, email@hidden writes:
>If the NHL further goes for size and away
>from skillfully played attacking game, the womens game may draw a lot of
>fans who like to see the real game!
>regards, Nick
Even more to the point, Nick!...Well said!
Terry P.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:31:06 -0700
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Fw: British Women's Championship Weekend Results - 23/24/May/98
For some news of women's hockey in Great Britain, here goes:
Phil, Victoria, BC
>For a more graphically pleasing output please see
>http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/British_Womens_League.html, and for full
>descriptions of all the games, check out the Women's section of the EIHA
pages
>http://www.ice-hock.demon.co.uk/
>
>Malcolm
>
>British Women's Leagues 1997/8 (last updated: May 26 14:41)
>
>Basingstoke 4 Sheffield 1
>Kingston 3 Sheffield 2
>Bracknell 2 Guildford 1
>Sunderland 7 Slough 6
>_
>Cardiff 2 Sheffield 3 OT
>Slough 3 Guildford 1
>Basingstoke 3 Kingston 4
>Sunderland 4 Bracknell 2
>
>
>Semi-Finals Finals
>
>Premier League Premier Final
>Sunderland win 7-6 Sunderland win 4-2
>Sunderland 7 Sunderland 4
>Slough 6 Bracknell 2
>
>Premier League Premier 3rd place
>Bracknell win 2-1 Slough win 3-1
>Bracknell 2 Slough 3
>Guildford 1 Guildford 1
>
>Division One Division One Final
>Basingstoke win 4-1 Kingston win 4-3
>Basingstoke 4 Basingstoke 3
>Sheffield 1 Kingston 4
>
>Division One Division One 3rd place
>Kingston Sheffield win 3-2
>Cardiff Sheffield 3
> Cardiff 2
>--
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:47:17 -0500
From: email@hidden
Subject: [none]
I was going through old email and found a message about a show the
Discovery Channel aired on May 15 on Concussions in Hockey. Given the
somewhat recent thread on this, I thought I would mention it here in case
anyone was interested in finding out if it will air again or if a tape is
available.
Wendy
FLASH - #21
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:14:33 -0400
From: "Wright, Sherri A."
Subject: Oklahoma Teams
Can anyone help me out. A friend of mine is looking for information
about women's hockey leagues in Oklahoma (in particular Ft. Sill area)
or any goalie camps /hockey camps in OK. I've checked out the list on
Andria's homepage and there are no teams listed for Oklahoma.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me
privately.
Sherri
email@hidden
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