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Women-in-Hockey Digest Wednesday, March 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 176
In this issue:
Re: Lake Placid
C league options?
Re: Troubles with the Men?
Re: Lake Placid
Re: Lake Placid
Girls playing with boys
Re: Girls playing with boys
skating skills
Re: skating skills
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:52:04 -0500
From: email@hidden (alyssa carpenter)
Subject: Re: Lake Placid
>I live in Ohio, and got one of the forms to try out
>for the Lake Placid camp. Im 15, and only have 1
how many of these forms were sent out? did they send them to _all_ the
players in the various age development groups...all over the US?
alyssa
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alyssa carpenter
university of michigan
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let's go, UofM women's ice hockey!!!
"i thought it couldn't be, then changed my mind."
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:18:21 EST
From: Acroflyr
Subject: C league options?
I am looking for advice on how to get on a men's or a women's adult C league
team. I am in the Detroit metro area.
Have any women that read this digest had any experience with this sort of
thing?
I am interested in playing spring, summer, fall, etc.
Thanks
C. White
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Date: 11 Mar 98 00:26:07 PST (Wed)
From: Chuck Collins
Subject: Re: Troubles with the Men?
> When Ana
> >tried out once for a Midget team, the boys wanted to make sure she knew she
> > wasn't wanted there.
>
> Is this something that starts as the kids get older? I do not want to
> invoke the evil eye, but my daughter has had minimal trouble. She has
> learned some great new gender-related words, but not much physical stuff.
> She is playing peewee, and there was one blatant incident while she was
> playing squirt. A friend's mom said that her team began turning on her
> this year (squirt) and I was a bit surprised. I must say, I was expecting
> more stuff and was pleasantly surprised.
>
> Debbie
The only generalization you can make about boys is that they are easily led
by others in their behavior. It just takes one kid to start bashing the
girl(s), and the rest will easily fall in line. Similarly it just takes
one to accept the girl(s) and the rest fall in line too.
So any given team, any given league, any given coach is a crap shoot. You
never know, you just hope for the best.
In many cases, hockey is the first time many of the boys have the opportunity
or challenge to deal with girls as equals. Some do well, some do poorly. It
has little to do with age, although girls at mites seem to be more easily
assimilated than at other levels. But if a girl works hard and is treated
as just another player by the coach, no special treatment, the boys of
any age can learn to treat her well.
A couple of years ago, my daughter was on a team with two other girls.
Everything was going fine until the coach played the three of them together
on a line for 4 games. They exploded for 7 goals in three games on a team
that was not a big scoring team, including 3 goals in a come from behind
3-2 win. All of a sudden, everyone was referring to "the girls' line", and
all of a sudden there was resentment, acting out and the chemistry of the
team went down the tubes. This was followed by a game in which "the girls'
line" got about 5 minutes total ice time, which sent the girls' parents
into orbit (yours truly included), in an obvious effort to cater to one
of the kids who was acting out.
Chemistry is a funny thing. One minute it's good, the next it's irreparably
destroyed. It doesn't have to do with how old the kids are, who they are,
or anything rationally predictable.
- - Chuck Collins
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http://www.chkpt.COM/NorCalRep/
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:33:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Jessica Yeo
Subject: Re: Lake Placid
Thanks for all of the responses, but my dad isnt even
going to try to get me in. I want to try the Canada
one but my dad wont let me(distance).
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:36:43 EST
From: Shabooeeee
Subject: Re: Lake Placid
there was a case in CA where two very good skaters were canadian citizens and
they wouldnt let them try out. soooooooooooooooo, i think youre going to have
to wait.
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:13:32 -0800
From: Don Howell
Subject: Girls playing with boys
l have 2 daughters playing Midget hockey and over the years they have had
very few players treat them different. They do learn alot of "Good"
vocabulary! There have been times where they have been singled out and runs
taken at them because they are girls. lt is usually the same teams. They
play with boys and expect to get hit. They just don't expect "special"
treatment because of gender. Last weekend was their last league game as
Midgets and they played a team that gets thrills from running at them. My
one daughter took hit after late hit and kept on going.Penalties were
called but....
Anyways she finally took a hit in front of our bench that l couldn't
believe and she ended up going to the hospital for stitches in her arm. My
other daughter plays defense and an opponent hit her from behind and tried
to drill her in the head. The Ref saw it and grabbed him before he
connected. The player said"your lucky l could have killed you".
l have never figured out how hurting some one who weighs 50+ pounds less
and is 6" shorter than you makes you tough? Anyways they made it through 11
years of playing with boys and ended up with 1 broken wrist, 1 broken
finger and stitches here and there along with assorted aches and bruises.
Not once did they ever complain.
l am looking forward to seeing them move on to College where they can play
"pure" hockey without the crap! lt will be good for them to be able to make
plays without fear of someone taking their head off!
l don't want to make this sound too bad because the vast majority have
treated them well and they have made great friends along the way. Hopefully
as more girls take up the sport the need to play with boys will decrease. l
know many girls who have left the game because their size made it too
dangerous and there were no alternatives.
Don Howell
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:55:13 EST
From: Shabooeeee
Subject: Re: Girls playing with boys
Mr. Howell,
Who is this giving late checks to my Jennie and what's the name of that big
fat ugly cheap BRUTE threatening to kill my Ab-roller?! Don't worry fellow
twins, I'm on the next plane out!
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:11:23 -0800
From: Judi Stevens
Subject: skating skills
Hi all,
We have been running into a skating problem and I was wondering what others
have done to assist players.
We are starting to get roller hockey players coming out for ice hockey. A
lot of these girls are excellent roller hockey players but when it comes to
ice : ( We are considering having them take figure skating lessons to
learn the basics. They need to learn how to do inside/outside edges,
stopping, crossovers etc. They are unable to do the drills, therefore are
getting discouraged in ice hockey.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!!
- --
Thanks,
Judi Stevens
phone: 619-618-3921
fax: 619-618-1460
email: email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:43:18 EST
From: DAT BYTES
Subject: Re: skating skills
In a message dated 98-03-11 20:25:29 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
We have been running into a skating problem and I was wondering what others
have done to assist players.
We are starting to get roller hockey players coming out for ice hockey. A
lot of these girls are excellent roller hockey players but when it comes to
ice : ( We are considering having them take figure skating lessons to
learn the basics. They need to learn how to do inside/outside edges,
stopping, crossovers etc. They are unable to do the drills, therefore are
getting discouraged in ice hockey.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!!
>>
Forget the figure skating. I started out rollerblading, and learned to ice
skate about a year ago. I took 2 private (HOCKEY) skating lessons from a
HOCKEY coach, and told him that I wanted to learn to ice skate so I could
play hockey. I went to a bunch of public skating sessions on my hockey
skates (NOT figure skates) to practice what I learned. After about 2 weeks
of practice ( and 2 private lessons) I was able to do forward crossovers.
If you have a few girls in the same boat, they may want to hire a hockey coach
for them as a group. It will be much less expensive than private lessons for
each one of them.
Once they learn a few of the basics, it is just a matter of practicing. Of
course, I sucked at rollerbalding, (I couldn;t go backwards, and I could only
stop if there was a tree) so these girls may come up to speed much quicker.
Stopping will come, again, after learning the basics, and practicing.
Learning the "snow plow" stop at first, then stopping with one foot in front
(1/2 hockey stop) is pretty easy. Then, all of a sudden, the 2-foot hockey
stop will come wihtout even thinking about it. (that was such a cool feeling
when I finally did it!! It was like - "WOW!! I just did a hockey stop - and
I didn;t even mean to do it!!"
It is especially important to practice free-skating, so that they can work on
the techniques, and think about what they are doing. When they gear up and
practice with the team, they should be focusing on the particular drills or
tasks at hand, (puck handling, etc.) as opposed to having to think about
inside/outside edges, stopping etc. Given practice & time this WILL come to
them.
But....... I happen to be a very good downhill skier (if I do say so myself
:-) ) so the concept of edging and visions of hockey stops were already
drilled into my skull.
Once I got used to the ice skates, I found that ice skating was actually much
easier than rollerblading.
Good luck!! =D
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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