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Women-in-Hockey Digest Monday, March 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 167
In this issue:
Schmidgall & Wheaties
Taping sticks
Proper etiquette on the list
Re: Taping sticks
Re: Proper etiquette on the list
Re: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
Re: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
Re: Trash Talk
Re: Trash Talk
Women's Ice Hockey T-shirts
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:43:54 +0000
From: Kelly Connelly
Subject: Schmidgall & Wheaties
Hi List!
Can someone confirm for me whether Jen Schmidgall did get the green light to
appear on Wheaties box with her team. Also..who for sure was left off the
box. Just need confirmation.
Thanks,
Kelly Connelly
Managing Editor
HIPCHECK
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:05:41 EST
From: MartinDevs
Subject: Taping sticks
Hello!
I just got my very first hockey stick a couple of weeks ago!! :) It's a
street hockey stick. I always see players tape the blades of their ice hockey
sticks... would it be a good idea to tape the blade of my street hockey
stick?
Thanks in advance, and thank you to everyone who responded about how to keep
the Wheaties box! :)
Mindy =)
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 17:43:48 -0500
From: "VIC'S HOCKEY SCHOOLS"
Subject: Proper etiquette on the list
Sorry to have to use up this band width for a subject that
has shown it's ugly head on this fine hockey list! For those
of you who have been following the initial post from EDDIE
At 02:38 PM 2/26/98 -0800, you wrote:
>It was not a hockey incident persay, but I remember when I was a little kid
>playing soccer and my mom and dad would go on and on about the game to
>others and yelling at the plyers to go, go, go...kick that ball. That kind
>of stuff. I got so annoyed after a while I told my mom and dad to stop
>talking. Of course they didn't.
>
>Eddie
ABBY,
who is on the list as both Abby <
and FonBabe1 <
has posted a couple of responses that are both UNTRUE and slanderous
of me and I asked ABBY to please correct these untruths and apologies
for her actions, but like I expected, she wasn't mature enough to do that.
I've E-mailed her privately and still no response.
ABBY's most recent postings said INCORRECTLY of me "quote"
At 08:56 AM 3/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>No, I did not totally misconstrue what Vic was saying. He sent me an
>e-mail that said that cheering from the sidelines, even encouraging words,
>was just the parents venting their frustration and should not be allowed.
>
>
>Abby Clabough
>email@hidden
AND
>Well, maybe I will...what does the influx of girls/women's hockey
>have to do with this? That's the STUPIDEST comment I have ever heard.
>
>Abby Clabough
>email@hidden
>
My original "parentitis" postings had every good intent and to have someone
like ABBY use the list to vent their own personal attacks is childish and
unproductive to say the least. We enjoy the list because of it's great source
of hockey information (particularly women's hockey) and we can offer our
own personal thoughts to help others. It would be nice if we could all
participate in the discussions without allowing PERSONAL VENDETTAS or
UNTRUE QUOTES to overshadow the facts as they were submitted!
The factual comment I made (in a private E-mail to ABBY) that was
forwarded to the list by ABBY / FonBabe1 without it's full content
and context is as follows:
>Without actually discussing his experience any further than this, the fact that
>HE SAYS that he got so annoyed at his parents and told them to stop talking
>would suggest to me that his parents (although meaning good intentions) were
>in fact displaying their "positive support" in an obvious embarrassing way! I
>wasn't there. I didn't see it happen. But this is an EXACT symptom that all
>hockey parents with Parentitis posess. They think that they are giving
>positive support by yelling at the players! NOT!
>Yelling and screaming to Go, Go, Go, is only releasing their own built up
>excitement and even though it's done without malice, it does not come close
>to giving their child or any other player POSITIVE SUPPORT! It only shows
>their inability to deal with a tense, exciting game situation. When you are
>on the sidelines, you need to learn how to take successful performances
>that your children are providing and CONGRATULATE THEM AT THE RIGHT TIME.
>Simple signs like a thumbs up or hand clapping is suttle enough to show your love
>without embarrassing them. By the way, should they even be looking at you as they
>are playing the game? So many children are so frightened to make a mistake
>that they are conditioned to look up into the stands to see if their parents
>approve or are showing disdain with ever move they make.
I again apologies for taking up this list space to defend what I indeed did say but
hopefully we all can get over this and spend our valuable moments with
productive comments NOT destructive ones!
Yours in Hockey;
God Bless
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:35:54 EST
From: CammiFan21
Subject: Re: Taping sticks
I use this thing called mach-1 is rules u can pick it up at BIG 5
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:45:12 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Proper etiquette on the list
At 2:43 PM -0800 3/1/98, VIC'S HOCKEY SCHOOLS wrote:
> Sorry to have to use up this band width for a subject that
> has shown it's ugly head on this fine hockey list!
Sigh. I'll look into this. I suggest everyone involved, if you have
anything further to say, please do it OFF THE LIST to myself or Laurie
privately. Let's not get into a fight on the list.
- --
Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:20:18 -0500
From: Louise
Subject: Re: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
VIC'S HOCKEY SCHOOLS wrote:
> With the addition of so many more hockey players(female) into the
>game, the growth naturally brings an additional Parent/Fan base.
>And, with these additional parents comes a new breed of "Parentitis".
>NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE PARENTS OF FEMALE HOCKEY PLAYERS
>but because they are just parents who have been added to
>the game in general!
Okay, this is a little clearer.
>I'll bet we ALL have seen "Parentitis" and I will also bet that 99% of you
>who witness the abuse just turn to the person sitting next to you
>and say "how sad or unbeilievable, or can you believe that guy or that
woman,
>I wish they would stop" and "Why doesn't somebody say something to that
>abusive person?". AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S ALL YOU DO!!!
Vic, I can understand that you are upset about the problem. But yelling
unfair generalizations about it at us is not very conducive to constructive
discussion in this community about what each of us does to deal with
problem parents, is it? (If you haven't been participating in on-line
discussions very long, you might not know that using all-capitals for
emphasis is considered "yelling", and also makes your message harder to
read. If you want to emphasise a few words, try *asterisks* or
_underscores_instead.) Your generalization is insulting. Have you been
participating in this list long enough to have a good sense of how this
community feels about problem parents and what members of this community do
about problem parents? I don't think so.
I've just returned from a weekend spent supporting my favourite 10-year-old
at an out-of-town tournament. (The Brockville tournament, by the way - a
very well run medium-size tournament for Novice through Intermediate
divisions.) My observations at that tournament led me to hypothesize that
maybe the goal in being positive fans for little kids, would be to generate
lots of happy noise and gestures (thumbs-up, clapping, the wave), in which
the kids can not hear individual words at all. And that I think it's most
important to hear that happy noise when the kids are making great efforts
and not quite scoring.
I agree with Eddie and with Vic that it's a bad thing for kids to think
that their play has disappointed their parents, and that parents should be
careful not to give their children that impression. (Disclaimer - I mean
things like missing scoring chances, not playing dirty.)
But I think that wise parents and supporters can do a lot to influence the
behaviour of others, partly just by modeling suitable attitudes themselves.
When another parent says "We didn't see you at last weekend's game?", one
can say "No, we take turns driving M to her games. We have other things to
do on Saturdays too, and we don't want M to think her games are the most
important thing on the schedule. Besides, she really enjoys coming home
and describing *her* game to the rest of the family." When another parent
in the stands moans "Oh, Erica! How could you miss that!", we clap, and
say "Good job Erica, way to work, way to go Team, good hustle everybody
..." We sit and clap while our kids get their silver medals, and we clap
just as loudly while the other team gets their gold medals.
>If YOU won't get involved to curtail the abuse personally, then you
>must at least get the coaches involved or form a support group with other
>parents on your team or your hockey association to deal with the problem
>FIRST HAND, before it goes too far.
Sometimes the kind of gentle reminders demonstrated in _Hockey Parents Make
the Difference_ are effective in letting someone know that he or she might
be losing perspective on the children's game, and that people are listening
to what he or she is saying in the stands. Some people haven't really
thought about what they're shouting, or maybe haven't realized that their
kid on the ice can hear them, or that their other kids in the stands are
also getting an earful of how mummy and daddy behave during games.
Those of you who coach children, what do you do about parents whose
behaviour seems to detract from the kids' enjoyment of the game? Is there
anything you do before problems come up? Those of you who watch children's
games, what kinds of things have you done when your fellow fans' behaviour
has bothered you? What do you do to pay attention to whether you might be
getting over-involved in the result of the game or the performance of your
own kid?
Louise,
who wants to point out that "Erica" is a made-up name.
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:55:48 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg MD
Subject: Re: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
The folks who are the most obnoxious in the stands are the people you don't
want to tangle with. There are some people who will just try to take *you*
on if you say anything about their awful behavior. That doesn't help
anyone. There are clubs that have parents and children sign contracts that
define appropriate behaviour and spell out the punishments for those who
don't follow the rules. ie. parent cannot attend games if they are out of
line. It is not my business to police the stands, but I will work on
committees to define how the stands should be policed. Usually, if people
understand the limits of behaviour, they will stay within the bounds. I
know there are those who won't, but there are people who refuse to follow
any rules.
Debbie
>Those of you who coach children, what do you do about parents whose
>behaviour seems to detract from the kids' enjoyment of the game? Is there
>anything you do before problems come up? Those of you who watch children's
>games, what kinds of things have you done when your fellow fans' behaviour
>has bothered you? What do you do to pay attention to whether you might be
>getting over-involved in the result of the game or the performance of your
>own kid?
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:39:06 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: Trash Talk
> Not when it is a full grown man and besides the last occassion I met this
> particular player on the ice before the "Saw your Mommy drop you off" thing,
> he slugged me.
So Jackie, you are advocating "two wrongs make a right"? I would
hope not, but that is what you are saying.
Dave
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:28:09 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: Trash Talk
Phil replied:
> It's called "gamesmanship" and adds spice. It's gone on in every sport for
> time immemorial, from the subtle nuances of golf up to the lamentable (but
> inevitable) variants on "your mother wears army boots".
So, are you saying, just because it has been "part of the game" in
the past, that makes it right?
Dave
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 14:21:49 -0500
From: June Nejman
Subject: Women's Ice Hockey T-shirts
Hi,
Just want to highly recommend a visit to
http://www.tropicalpenguin.com/hockey.html. I got my t-shirt last Monday
and am really thrilled with the quality. It bears the flags of the
countries which competed in the women's ice hockey at the Olympics; a
beautifully drawn figure of a hockey player and the words "We've Arrived".
I am going to wear it to the Florida Panthers game this week as well as all
my hockey practices/games. I also received a Gold Medalist cap from USA
hockey - sure beats promoting the "swoosh" any further. Anyway, check out
the site and all the great designs for women's hockey. Wear it Proud!
Jake #8
Miami Ice Arena
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