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Women-in-Hockey Digest Sunday, March 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 166
In this issue:
Re: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
Re: Mouthguards
Re: parentitis
Re: parentitis
Re: Mouthguards/Face Shields
Re: Mouthguards/Face Shields
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Re: parentitis
Re: Mouthguards
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:20:29 EST
From: FonBabe1
Subject: Re: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
Gee Vic,
Thanks for singling me out, and in CAPS no less. Lucky for the other person
that responded and was equally offended by your comment that he/she didn't get
your attention.
Eddie's original message, at least the portion that was attached to your
original message, was referring to supportive cheering from the sidelines ("Go
Eddie, kick the ball...") and "ride home coaching" by parents after the game.
Hummm, could this have been contrived to promote your book? What better way
than to start a whole new thread.
ABBY
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:36:59 -0500
From: email@hidden (Ellice F. Seiden-Martinez)
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
25 Feb 98 12:02:02 PST (Wed)
on Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:10:46 email@hidden wrote:
>The way I see it, mouthguards are basically there to protect your tongue. I
>really don't see how they can protect your teeth, because if a 60mph puck
>comes flying at your face, I don't see how its going to save anything, of
>course that may just be what I used last season.
Well, jumping into the discussion, mouthguards aren't really there
to protect your tongue, or your teeth, Obviously, they do help prevent you
from biting/cutting your tongue open, & may save some tooth damage, but
that's not their primary function.
Mouthguards are there to protect your *brain* ! Seriously, a
mouthguard is a concussion prevention device. By being a shock absorber,
when you fall, and hit your head, it blocks the transmission of a rigid
shock thru your skull. If you hit your head, your teeth/jaws snap and the
shock goes right up, with the mouthguard in, this shock is minimized. Not
that you won't ever get a concussion, but the occurrences are greatly
lessened.
It will even help with those wonderful headaches we've all gotten
falling when we didn't have a mouthguard in. Take the hard spill with it,
clank your helmet, no big headache, without - youch. Recently while
reffin', I got unavoidably rolled during a high school game -big clunk/snap
of helmet to ice. I definitely noticed a headache all night, more stars in
the immediate aftermath, than with much harder falls taken when I'm
playing.
Anyhow, a goalie friend of mine, who also happens to be a
neurosurgeon, is quite adamant on the value of mouthguards. He worked on a
medical task force about sports injuries, particularly hockey, and has
quite a bit of research, info about this. The topic came up last year with
and adult league we were involved in. I trust his info, it's not
inflammatory - but quite inspiring in convincing players to wear
mouthguards & helmets.
> As for the USA hockey thing requiring mouthguards and straps, or whatever
>somebody said, for me it really doesn't matter, in this particular program.
>Its just a city rec thing, so just as long as you have one, its ok. You don't
>even have to have a hockey helmet, you can use a bike helmet, or whatever just
Of course under USAH, even seniors must wear Hockey Helmets - but they
don't have to be HECC certified. All the players not of legal majority must
wear HECC approved helmets.
> But I'll probably keep the strap on, of course it depends on what I get in
>the first place.
The strap is to help keep it from either flying down the ice, or
becoming unlodgeable in your throat. The color requirement (at least a
stripe, as has a Shock Doctor) helps the refs note the presence of the
mouthguard, and helps it to be found/dislodged in case of an accident where
it's stuck in your mouth/throat.
FWIW, I switched to a Shock Doctor this year, from the simpler
boilable type, and while it's bulkier, I've found it pretty comfortable.
Several of my teammates got them, and all are pretty happy - including my
goalkeeper boyfriend that has been avoiding mouthguards for as much of his
25 years on the ice as possible (he skates out on our team, so had to give
in & wear one cause it's checkable)
on Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:59:19 email@hidden (DAVE BAKER) wrote:
> >We've been told mouthguards aren't required for "boys" teams at the
> >mite or squirt level. This has made for the bizarre situation, when a
> >girls squirt team plays a boys squirt team, the girls have been
> >assessed misconduct penalties for no mouthguard, while the boys team
> >(including any girls on boys teams) doesn't have to wear them.
> >Anybody know the logic behind this?
>I just read the USA Hockey rule and the above statement is accurate.
> Not sure why the discrepancy. However, my question would be, why
>are the girls still getting misconduct penalties this late in the
>season? It is the coaches responsibility (as well as the player's)
The USAH rule guideline is pretty black& white about the misconduct.
There's no lesser optional penalty for the ref to give, though many will
warn a player off the ice to either get a proper mouthguard, or not play,
before giving the misconduct penalty.
>to ensure the players are wearing the proper protective equipment.
>Seems they deserve what they get. But I agree, it is odd that it
>isn't the same across the board.
As I believe someone else noted, the age group is different and
that's why the girls have to wear the mouthguards. FWIW, I think that the
boys, including girls on those teams, at the squirt/mite (10&under) age are
so little, that mouthguards would be more of a choking hassle than a safety
preventive. Plus, they're non-checking, and most of the spills are not
heavy contact - as one of my partners phrased it "Gumbies on ice." The
girls squirts are older, hence the difference. Of course, it confuses
everyone.
more than my $.02 worth,
ellice
C, #2, Team CHAOS
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 13:07:29 PST
From: "oakwood farm"
Subject: Re: parentitis
What I think Eddie was saying (which you totally misconstruded) was that alot of Parents,
and you know who you are, say stupid things (no yell) to the players on the ice. If it was just
encouragement and yelling for your team - thats great! Every player needs encourgement
especially from the parents. The yelling at the players of -WHAT was that...or DEFENSE..
(which am still not sure what that is supposed to do for the poor outmatched defense) ...or
I taught you better than that..or Well, you know what I mean...Young players get easily
embarassed, You're not helping them enjoy the game.
Kris
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:40:50 -0700
From: Eddie Ragasa
Subject: Re: parentitis
That's exactally what I was thinking. Parents in the stands yelling at the
players/other team for stupid mistakes. That really takes the fun out of
it for the players. It certainally did for me. On the other hand,
Encouragement is fine. What really got to me thought is that after
thinking about what the parents are saying, why is it that they think they
know more than the player(s) do about how to play the game. Are the
parents the coach or player? Let the coach do the yelling because he is
the one who taught the player(s) what stragities or moves to use.
I hope that this did not confuse anyone. If you have any further
questions, don't hesitate to e-mail me and we'll talk about this and other
things more fully.
Eddie
>What I think Eddie was saying (which you totally misconstruded) was that
>alot of Parents,
>and you know who you are, say stupid things (no yell) to the players on
>the ice. If it was just
>encouragement and yelling for your team - thats great! Every player needs
>encourgement
>especially from the parents. The yelling at the players of -WHAT was
>that...or DEFENSE..
>(which am still not sure what that is supposed to do for the poor
>outmatched defense) ...or
>I taught you better than that..or Well, you know what I mean...Young
>players get easily
>embarassed, You're not helping them enjoy the game.
>
>Kris
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:15:59 -0900
From: Syrilyn Tong
Subject: Re: Mouthguards/Face Shields
I do know that colored, dentist made mouthguards are available, as I have
one. However, I don't know what the brand is. I have one white and one
yellow, but neither one has a strap. What I was doing when I skated out (I
don't use one now as a goalie), was tieing a piece of thread/string to it,
then to my mask. It feels a little weird, but it'll work. Good luck!
Syrilyn Tong
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:28:53 EST
From: CammiFan21
Subject: Re: Mouthguards/Face Shields
The Shock Doctor is the best I love it and recommend it is has all that you
need from a mouthguard
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:40:15 -0800
From: "A,Chernin"
Subject: [none]
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#3 - Poco Phantoms
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:56:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Abby
Subject: Re: parentitis
No, I did not totally misconstrue what Vic was saying. He sent me an
e-mail that said that cheering from the sidelines, even encouraging words,
was just the parents venting their frustration and should not be allowed.
Abby Clabough
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On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, oakwood farm wrote:
>
> What I think Eddie was saying (which you totally misconstruded) was that alot of Parents,
> and you know who you are, say stupid things (no yell) to the players on the ice. If it was just
> encouragement and yelling for your team - thats great! Every player needs encourgement
> especially from the parents. The yelling at the players of -WHAT was that...or DEFENSE..
> (which am still not sure what that is supposed to do for the poor outmatched defense) ...or
> I taught you better than that..or Well, you know what I mean...Young players get easily
> embarassed, You're not helping them enjoy the game.
>
> Kris
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:02:03 -0500
From: June Nejman
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
> Well, jumping into the discussion, mouthguards aren't really there
>to protect your tongue, or your teeth, Obviously, they do help prevent you
>from biting/cutting your tongue open, & may save some tooth damage, but
>that's not their primary function.
> Mouthguards are there to protect your *brain* ! Seriously, a
>mouthguard is a concussion prevention device. By being a shock absorber,
>when you fall, and hit your head, it blocks the transmission of a rigid
>shock thru your skull. If you hit your head, your teeth/jaws snap and the
>shock goes right up, with the mouthguard in, this shock is minimized. Not
>that you won't ever get a concussion, but the occurrences are greatly
>lessened.
Heartily agreed. Every week my husband and I participate in a hockey
clinic/scrimmage session. There are players of all levels involved. Two
weeks ago - during the clinic session I got knocked to the ice and my head
bounced several times. I was wearing a custom made mouthguard but I
sustained a mild concussion - headache and nausea. Over the past 4 years
we've seen maybe 3-4 guys get whacked in the face, but you can only suggest
they get protection for their face.
My husband is a dentist but now does trauma anesthesia and critical care.
We both wear mouthguards and full-cage helmets. He says, "you only need to
protect what is important to you"!
My 2 cents worth,
Jake #8
Miami Ice Arena
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