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Women-in-Hockey Digest Friday, June 19 1998 Volume 01 : Number 231
In this issue:
Women's Pro League Not Starting
Coaching
Re: Coaching
Re: Coaching
Re: Coaching
Re: Coaching
Gender preferences in coaching
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:34:24 -0400
From: Andria Hunter
Subject: Women's Pro League Not Starting
An article by CBS Sportsline confirms that the women's pro league will
not be starting this fall. See the article at:
http://web1.sportsline.com/u/women/hockey/jun98/womhock61898.htm
CBS Sportsline has an excellent women's hockey news page at:
http://web1.sportsline.com/u/women/hockey/
In Canada, a good women's hockey news source is Slam! Sports at:
http://www.canoe.ca/HockeyWomen/home.html
Andria
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:11:00 -0600
From: "Hunter, Bill 464-8643"
Subject: Coaching
Marc,
I'm also sorry to hear you weren't selected on the basis of sex. It
seems to be the direction female hockey is going, female coachs, female
refs.....We had first year refs doing high level Midget games simply
because they're women. Male refs start at the Tom Thumb, Novice Atom
levels.
What really makes me sad is the attitude that any form of discrimination
is acceptable because it "happens to us too"......I guess misery loves
company but it still doesn't make any of it right.
Bill Hunter
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:52:07 -0400
From: "Cindy Goodman"
Subject: Re: Coaching
Sir it doesn't make it "acceptable" because it happens to females too. It is just a fact. We were told for years we couldn't coach ice hockey because women don't play hockey and because men aren't going to listen to a women coach. We were told this was just a fact. I don't believe in hiring someone based on their gender either. It should be based on qualification for the job. The womens Team Canada learned that "fact" the hard way. However, I believe you have to start somewhere and women need the opportunity to "pay their dues" at the lower levels before they can be considered for a prominent coaching position. They need the encouragement and confidence of everyone to participate at the coaching level. If we are to see women coaching at all levels of women's hockey they must be given the chance, that is just a fact.
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian John Rodgers
Subject: Re: Coaching
I have just recently encountered the women coaching women issue.I have
been an assistant coach at an educational institution for the past two
years. When the most recent head coach decided to leave his post, I was
told by the powers that be that, depite the fact I was interested in the
job, that they would much rather hire a female. I would have no problem
with this if I felt they were going to base their decision primarily on a
question of qualification, if they found a more qualified coach, I would
have been pleased to say the best person got the job. But....it was
overtly obvious that this institution was stating this preference in the
most insulting lip service to the ideals of gender equality. I realise
universities have a need to appear as leaders in these kinds of issues,
but I feel strongly that they should put their money where there mouth is.
I mean that literally. Coaches of women's varsity teams in CIAU hockey
work as hard as their male counterparts, yet they receive little if no
financial reward. If they really cared about women's hockey, they would
pay the coaches a decent salary. As a result, the announcement to prefer
to hire a woman really means very little, sure it is a step in the right
direction, and I would have no problem with this if it had deeper meaning.
But, it is really just an attempt to gloss over the real issue that
women's hockey has still not gained the respect it deserves. I worked hard
for no pay for two years...it was an everyday job for over 6 months. I was
dedicated to furthering women's hockey at the varsity level, I now realise
that the intentions of the ath. dept. are much smaller.
They once had the opportunity to have one of the best female coaches in
the world stay involved with their program, but they were to cheap to keep
her. Now they want a woman again, someone dedicated to the sport and
willing to basically work for free. I am a highly qualified coach, but
declined even applying for the job, as I would have felt, if I had been
granted the position that I was merely the next best choice, not actually
the best person for the job, and definately not the person they wanted
for the job. This is despite the fact that I knew the
players, the league, the institution, the rules, the practice times, etc.
I strongly believe that if the sport is to grow to its full potential that
the people involved should be of the highest quality and calibre
despite their gender.
I am very aware of the gender politics that have affected the sport to
date, but now with the growing popularity of the sport, the most pressing
need is to make sure that young players are getting the best possible
instruction and coaching...as a result, in a few years time there wil be
an ample amount of females ready to step up and fill all the positions.
I love the sport, and wish it all the best, but my own minor brush with
gender politics, the use of a sport I have worked hard to promote and
develop as a platform for band-aid gender policy statements, has made me
choose to leave the arena.
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:03:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian John Rodgers
Subject: Re: Coaching
Sorry, I forgot to say one thing. My rewards from coaching women's hockey
have been great. I made a lot of great friends, gained much positive
experience, and I am wearing a championship ring on my finger that I will
cherish forever.
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:30:11 -0500
From: "Erin and Rich Malinowski"
Subject: Re: Coaching
Some of the recent postings have been from male coaches who were passed over
in favor of a female based solely, or partly, on her gender. I agree with
both sides of that issue. We need more qualified female coaches and we need
the best coaches (regardless of gender) coaching our women's and girls'
teams.
We need to support all women who want to get involved with coaching. This
can be done by providing clinics, giving first year coaches a chance as
assistant coaches, and eliminating gender bias when choosing coaches for
teams. Coaching staffs comprised of both male and female coaches would
provides many benefits for teams of either gender.
Some of these postings have been from men who were passed over for a
coaching position and are now leaving women's/girls' hockey. Whaaaat???? Do
you honestly think that most of the female players on this list haven't
heard -"You can't, you're a girl." - dozens of times? Get over it. Find an
organization that needs your time and energy and keep working at it. If
everyone quit when they were told that they couldn't do something because of
their gender, women's hockey would not exist today (or female doctors, male
nurses, stay-at-home dads or female pilots).
Erin Malinowski
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:51:43 -0700
From: James and Jeanne Wade
Subject: Gender preferences in coaching
The post about not throwing in the towel, staying in the sport is right
on. I really do not want to sound sour grapes, but I have had too, too
many personal experiences over the years which started with with "you
can't do that, you are a girl, a woman, a mother, a wife. Instead of
complaining that you was done wrong, make sure the important thing
happens, the kids, male and female get to play hockey, get the best
education they can get, on and off the ice and are surrounded by people
who make each and every child know he/she is capable of a great deal of
accomplishment given the encouragement and the love it takes to grow
into self-confidence and a solid sense of self-worth. Stop worrying
about whether you are a male or a female, and go get the job
done---someplace will want you, need you, and the kids will be there
anxious to learn. Did anyone see the program about the inner city
hockey school in D.C. which has produced some great results for the
kids, kept them alive, out of jail and on the ice---boys and girls.
Have you got kids in your town that could use some help getting to the
rink, on skates, etc. Do it! Put the game first, not your role.
Jeanne Wade
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