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Women-in-Hockey Digest Saturday, July 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 246
In this issue:
Announcement: Plaidworks partners with Hockey Services, LLC.
Re: injuries stink
Re: injuries stink
Title IX applicability to youth hockey associations
Re: Distance was:Title IX applicability to youth hockey associations
Re: Title IX applicability to youth hockey associations
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:19:41 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Announcement: Plaidworks partners with Hockey Services, LLC.
I apologize in advance if you get multiple copies of this announcement.
I also apologize for those who are upset at us sending "commercials" to
the list, but this announcement has significant impact (all positive!)
on the future of Plaidworks.
Effective immediately, I'm thrilled to announce that Plaidworks has
been joined by a sponsor of our services. Hockey Services, LLC, founded
by former San Jose Shark and Chicago Blackhawk Doug Wilson and
Pittsburgh Penguin head coach Kevin Constantine, has come on board as a
sponsor of Plaidworks.
Hockey Services is a group founded to help build a top-quality hockey
environment in Northern California, where Plaidworks is also located.
They are currently offering a series of player development camps and
seminars, as well as an upcoming coaching seminar in August. Here at
Plaidworks, we've done what we can to help hockey here in the bay area,
with mailing lists, by hosting web sites, and whatever else we felt
would help. Plaidworks, however, has always been funded out of the
pockets of myself and Laurie, and that's limited our ability to help.
By joining into partnership with the Hockey Services group, we believe
we can significantly improve the services here at Plaidworks, and
significantly increase our ability to help hockey, not just in the Bay
Area, but wherever Plaidworks touches hockey players and fans. Hockey
Services has agreed to come on board as a sponsor of some of our
services, and we will be hosting and managing their internet
operations.
The Hockey Services web site is now available, and if you're might be
interested in one of camps or the coaching seminar, we encourage you to
take a look at .
What does this mean for users of Plaidworks? The lists will continue
pretty much as they are -- you won't see us adding advertising or
anything to them. We do have a number of new features and system
upgrades planned for the next few months, many of which are being
funded by our agreement with Hockey Services. By working with this
organization, we can make things better, faster, than we can alone. We
feel this is a win-win situation: Plaidworks can grow a little faster
than it can without Hockey Services, and we can work with Hockey
Services on the common goal of improving hockey here in the San
Francisco Bay area -- and beyond.
When the plans firm up for the future improvements, we'll let you know
what's going on. Right now, we've been focussed on getting the Hockey
Services stuff running, so things are still somewhat tentative. We are,
however, currently working on a complete rewrite of the mailing list
directory and instructions at www.lists.plaidworks.com, and we have
scheduled an upgrade of the web forum boards as soon as the directory
update is done. We are also going to be upgrading our main web server
to a new, faster release, as well as an upgrade to the database access
system that drives our site listings (and will soon drive the list
directory) -- and we're in discussions with a couple of vendors about
an upgrade to our network link that will speed up our systems. if all
goes as planned, this (and more!) will be available by opening night of
the next NHL season. There are many other things we're looking at doing
- -- it's all a matter of how soon we can afford to, and how quickly we
can write it.
It's going to be a busy summer here at Plaidworks -- and we hope you
enjoy the results. As we get closer to implementing these things, we'll
let you know.
- --
Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:email@hidden)
Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:email@hidden)
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:35:26 -0400
From: Shannon Perkins
Subject: Re: injuries stink
>So, the questions are;
>
>1) I know it's "just a game", but this was the playoffs. I felt that if I
>left the game, I'd be letting the team down (we have no back-up goalie
>here). I felt I should have at least made the effort to continue trying as
>my guys were playing incredibly hard right to the bitter end, despite the
>fact that they were completely exhausted from only having 9 skaters. Has
>anybody else ever been in a similar situation and how do you keep form
>wondering if things would have been any different if I had gone to the
>bench? I know it is pointless to worry about it since the game is over and
>we'll never know if things would have been different, but I can't help but
>wonder if I did the right thing or not. Would they have scored more than
>just the one goal in the last 6 if I had gone to the bench? What would you
>guys have done? (ok - I guess I've already asked more than 2 questions
>here....)
During a game a few years back, I ended up in a pile in the crease, my
glove partially slide off, and a girl landed on my wrist while it was bent.
I could feel the bones crack as she landed, but I bit down hard on my
mouthguard and kept myself from letting anyone know anything, although I
could see my hand swelling and turning black as I looked on. But, either in
my ultimate bravery or more likely in my ultimate stupidity, I stayed in the
game because our other goalie was...well, let's just say she was less then
"exceptional", I knew I was better than her, and I knew that we were playing
a really good team.I was having a great game, I had a whole period and then
some left to play, and I wasn't going to let any injury stop me. I stayed
in, even made some glove saves while trying to hold back the tears, and we
won the game 2-1.
Now, I know that if I wasn't in the game they would have scored. The other
goalie had played against this team before, and we had lost considerably.
So, I helped the team that game by playing the to the best of my abilities
with my wrist snapped in three different places. However, I also could have
helped the team by going to the bench, because by moving my wrist and using
it I furthered the injury. I guess adreneline has a way of numbing you out
to the pain, but boy, do you feel it after the game! Because I had to keep
off the ice to heal my wrist, I hurt the team more than I would of by coming
out of the game and gettintg my wrist fixed.
What I had to do, was remember the golden rule of team sports: One player
alone doesn't win a game. Sure, you might be disadvantaged if your goalie
isn't the greatest, you might get the flashy goalies without the power
forward, and your defense might not consist of a bone-crushing thug on
skates. But hockey is a team sport, and a sport that requires you to be in
the right place at the right time. Your time might have been scored on more,
you might have been scored on less. Who knows?
So, always think long-term benefits. How can you help the team in the long
run? Is it by staying on the ice, or getting off and being one hundred
percent the next time you play? Maybe if you had left the ice, your ankle
would have healed faster, felt better, and you could have played by now.
Well, good luck in your season to come, and I hope you're back in top shape
soon.
Peace,
Shannon
#1- Keweenaw Wings
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:34:46 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: injuries stink
In a message dated 7/11/98 12:42:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< >
>1) I know it's "just a game", but this was the playoffs. I felt that if I
>left the game, I'd be letting the team down (we have no back-up goalie
>here). I felt I should have at least made the effort to continue trying as
>my guys were playing incredibly hard right to the bitter end, despite the
>fact that they were completely exhausted from only having 9 skaters. Has
>anybody else ever been in a similar situation and how do you keep form
>wondering if things would have been any different if I had gone to the
>bench? >>
Due to very bad traffic, not an injuy, we recently had to start a game with 7
players, and no goalie. We put one volunteer (with no goalie equipment) in
the net, and had 1 sub. We played 1 1/2 periods this way, before our goalie
and one or 2 more skaters arrived. During those 1 1/2 periods, the other
team only scored 1 goal!! We just played very conservatively, and focused on
our defense, rather on scoring. Our "sub" goalie also made some great saves!
(Although the ref advised her not to dive on the puck wihout the proper goalie
gear!)
Now, as for playing while injured - DUMB & DUMBER!! Big dumb mistake to put
yourself at risk like that. It is quite possible that the other goalie could
have stepped up to the occassion. Stranger things have happened. (See above
when otehr team only scored 1 goal on us without a goalie.)
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:26:47 -0700
From: "Tom, Mare, Brynn and Erin VEHEC"
Subject: Title IX applicability to youth hockey associations
All:
Well, so much for the impetus of the US Women's Olympic team making it much
better for girls teams around the country. I am the head coach of a girls
Midget "A" team in eastern WA State. Due to the demographics of our area,
only 1/3 - 1/2 of the girls on the team live in the town that we are
rostered in. The rest come from surrounding towns.
For the past two years we have been rostered out of an association in
eastern WA, but have received no support from that association in the form
of ice, uniforms or anything else. Based on the agreement with the
association, we were not eligible for any as we paid no registration fees to
the association. We paid only the team and individual player registration
fees for USA Hockey, but nothing to the association. The team has basically
been on its own to schedule practice and games wherever they can find ice
and competition.
Despite the difficulties inherent in that type of schedule, the team has
done very well, qualifying for and finishing a respectable 4th and 3rd at
the Pacific District Championships the past two years. No boys team in this
association has ever qualified for the District tournament.
This year, I approached this association with a plan to roster the team as a
full time association team, playing in the State boys Bantam "B "league. All
team members would pay the full association registration fee as well as the
USA Hockey individual and team fees. The proposal to play in this league is
based on the fact that the closest female competition we have is 4 hours
away in Seattle, and that is only one team. The closest female league is a
7 hours drive across the Cascades to Vancouver BC. As a compromise, play in
the boys Bantam "B" league seemed to be about the best way for the team to
get a consistent game and practice schedule, at a level of competition that
would prepare us for the District Tournament.
Because of the ice commitment that the league would require, (minimum of 5
home weekends with 2 games each weekend), the association denied the request
to fully support the team. They have only one sheet of ice, and were
concerned about having enough ice to support the teams they already have.
Last season, this association had 4 boys "A" teams that they supported in
addition to 20 house teams,(only two of which were girls rec.) Each
registered team got 27 hours of ice (with a 50% subsidy from the city) last
season. Even if the girls on the team all pay the full registration fee,
they will provide none of the subsidized ice or sponsorship that every boys
"A" team gets in this association. They are only willing to roster the team
out of the association with no support as in previous years. This
association is registered as a federal non-profit corporation. So I have
several questions for the list as a whole.
1. Is Title IX applicable to non-profit youth hockey associations? If
so, how?
2. Besides the Alaska case, which I have a pretty good handle on, has
anyone else experienced this type of thing, and if so, what did you do about
it?
3. If it is a Title IX issue, how do I make it clear to the board of
directors that this action violates Title IX?
4. As a past board member, and a member of this association for a number
of years, I can appreciate the difficulties of adding another team. How can
I make the present board see that discriminatory nature of this decision can
be extremely harmful to the entire association?
As an alternative, I am presently in the process of trying to get one of the
other associations on this side of the Cascades to provide us with the ice
we need to play in the league. I will let you know how it works out. This
should start a pretty good thread on the list. To avoid overloading the
server, please reply directly back to me if possible.
Thanks in advance for the info,
Tom Vehec - Head Coach - ?????, WA, WIldcats
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:45:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jessica Yeo
Subject: Re: Distance was:Title IX applicability to youth hockey associations
For my team, in 97/98, there was 2 people in the city
that are team is in. Most everyone was in 30-45
minutes, except for me, which is an hour drive to our
home ice.
> Well, so much for the impetus of the US Women's
Olympic team making it much
> better for girls teams around the country. I am
the head coach of a girls
> Midget "A" team in eastern WA State. Due to the
demographics of our area,
> only 1/3 - 1/2 of the girls on the team live in the
town that we are
> rostered in. The rest come from surrounding towns.
>
===
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:07:46 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Title IX applicability to youth hockey associations
In a message dated 98-07-11 18:43:34 EDT, you write:
<< 1. Is Title IX applicable to non-profit youth hockey associations? If
so, how?
Title IX is only applicable to organizations which receive government funding.
The exact wording states: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis
of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be
subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving
federal financial assistance." You might want to visit the Women's Sports
Foundation for more information on Title IX.
Women's
Sports Foundation Home
3. If it is a Title IX issue, how do I make it clear to the board of
directors that this action violates Title IX? Unfortunately, it doesn't
appear to be a true Title IX issue unless the parties involved are funded by
the government in some way. However, if there is any government connection at
all such as scholarships, subsidizing of the rinks, or possibly even a break
from the city on the land, you may have a case. One of our local roller
hockey rinks received a grant from the city for part of the land it was built
on; in that case, it would be considered federally funded and any Title IX
violations could be prosecuted.
4. As a past board member, and a member of this association for a number
of years, I can appreciate the difficulties of adding another team. How can
I make the present board see that discriminatory nature of this decision can
be extremely harmful to the entire association?
I think the most effective method here would be showering them with numbers.
Show the success of your team, the number of girls it has effected, and the
parental and community support you have received thus far. Then show how
girls' hockey is being funded in your community as compared to boys', using a
percent of the amounts funded to the number of players. Sometimes when
associations see the numbers staring at them in black and white they are
shocked at just how unequal things are.
Good Luck!!
>>
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