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Women-in-Hockey Digest Wednesday, January 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 106
In this issue:
Sorry
Re: CBC TV Coverage - Women's Hockey
Re: Yes, but.
Re: CBC TV Coverage - Women's Hockey
Re: CBC TV Coverage - Women's Hockey
Re: women as linesmen
Re: CBC TV Coverage - Women's Hockey
Re: women as linesmen
Re: CBC TV Coverage - Women's Hockey
USA 4, Canada 3 (OT)
Brampton Tournament
Anyone going to be at the Olympics?
Stats for USA vs. Canada
USA 4, Canada 3
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:19:01 -0500
From: Cindy Goodman
Subject: Sorry
Please accept my deepest apologies for the duplicates that were inadvertantly sent out today. Server problems. So sorry. Sorry Phil in particular.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:46:47 -0800
From: Tammie Weigl
Subject: Re: CBC TV Coverage - Women's Hockey
Chuck Collins wrote:
>
> > The American coverage is:
> >
> > CBS - The Gold Medal Game.
> >
> > Big whoop!
>
> Sigh. Probably interspersed with long periods of missed coverage as they switch
> to a personal interview with Pikaboo Street's 92-year-old grandmother in
> Frostbite Falls, Montana. Or is Frostbite Falls in Minnesota?
>
> So do any of the Satellite Services available in the US include CBC and TSN?
>
> - Chuck Collins
> email@hidden
Wasn't Frostbite Fall, MN the home of Bullwinkle Moose? Seriously
though, what is the problem with the US media and the coverage of
women's hockey? We have two Olympic teams playing here (San Jose)
tonight and no local television coverage, and little newspaper coverage,
at least in the South Bay.
It seems to me, that the Canadians are more supportive of their women's
hockey team on the whole than the US. Is this because of the general
interest of Canadians in hockey as a sport? Or is it because the US
sports media treats women's hockey in general as a special interest side
story? I'd be interested in seeing what other peoples perception of
this is...
Tammie
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:21:58 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: Yes, but.
> I wouldn't consider an offer to a single female ref to work Junior C the
> coming of the millenium, any more than I would have accepted Willie O'Ree's
> playing half of the 1961 season for a terrible Bruins team proof of the NHL's
> integration of blacks. Show me a dozen female officials, not only working the
> junior leagues but high schools, colleges and pros, and that'll be real
> progress.
>
> - Bevan
Of course not, but that wasn't the point of the post. The point was
to say that just because the opportunities for females to gain
valuable experience as linesmen in the upper levels of the game are
scarce, does not preclude some women from advancing in officiating.
Thus the example of just one female official in Canada. There are
some others.
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY
email@hidden
www.canadianhockey.ca
www.hhof.com/html/chocoe.htm
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:29:00 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: CBC TV Coverage - Women's Hockey
It isn't so much that there is no interest in women's hockey, it is that
there is so much parochialism. For the same reasons that Holiday Inns are
such a success - same room from here to Timbuktu - the Olympic coverage
does not go out into the fringe sports like biathalon and women's hockey.
Americans do not do well with change. If there is no US slant to a story,
you will not see it. The masses are used to figure skating, down hill
skiing etc so you will get lots of it. It fills up prime time. You will
not see much short track speed skating because it is not as familiar.
Until the networks stop seeing us as idiots and people who are capable of
digesting something new, this is the way it is going to be. However, I
hear that the network viewing has dropped below 50%. Let's hear it for the
masses. Let's all go out and buy our satellite dishes!
Debbie
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Debbie Minden
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215-635-4817
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Date: 20 Jan 98 14:33:58 PST (Tue)
From: Chuck Collins
Subject: Re: CBC TV Coverage - Women's Hockey
Problem with US media and the coverage of women's hockey? Well, a couple
of things. First of all, there's a reasonably large chance that the US
Team will not win a gold medal. Nobody cherishes the gold as much as the
US Networks, and their profile of the average American viewer is that we
have no interest in watching anything but US atletes, and even less interest
in watching foreign athletes beat the US athletes.
There's no way around the fact that women's hockey will not garner the same
ratings as the women's figure skating final. But with such a long history of
Team Canada winning the gold and the US Team losing by taking silver, I have
a strong feeling the US will win it all this time. Almost all of the finals
of late have come down to the last minute or overtime. It would serve the
networks right if the US women's team ends up being the second "Miracle" in
Olympic hockey, and they embarass themselves by presenting 26 minutes of
total coverage.
On another front, I am one of about 50 people who thought the Red/White/Blue
cable coverage of the Olympics a few years back was a great idea. The reason
it failed was not because the idea was bad. The reason it failed was that
they charged too much for it. At $29.95, I'd buy the service in a minute.
At $129.95, I'll read the paper.
Except this year, I'd gladly pay the $129.95 in order to see this thing unfold.
And I'm not only interested in seeing US athletes. I'm just as interested
in the games between Canada and Finland, and US / Finland. And I hope one of
the other three teams picks up and surprises people (but I'd be surprised).
And by the way, only 6000 tickets have been sold to tonight's game in San Jose.
Sigh.
- - Chuck Collins
> Chuck Collins wrote:
> >
> > > The American coverage is:
> > >
> > > CBS - The Gold Medal Game.
> > >
> > > Big whoop!
> >
> > Sigh. Probably interspersed with long periods of missed coverage as they switch
> > to a personal interview with Pikaboo Street's 92-year-old grandmother in
> > Frostbite Falls, Montana. Or is Frostbite Falls in Minnesota?
> >
> > So do any of the Satellite Services available in the US include CBC and TSN?
> >
> > - Chuck Collins
> > email@hidden
>
>
> Wasn't Frostbite Fall, MN the home of Bullwinkle Moose? Seriously
> though, what is the problem with the US media and the coverage of
> women's hockey? We have two Olympic teams playing here (San Jose)
> tonight and no local television coverage, and little newspaper coverage,
> at least in the South Bay.
>
> It seems to me, that the Canadians are more supportive of their women's
> hockey team on the whole than the US. Is this because of the general
> interest of Canadians in hockey as a sport? Or is it because the US
> sports media treats women's hockey in general as a special interest side
> story? I'd be interested in seeing what other peoples perception of
> this is...
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:39:01 EST
From: ESaund1005
Subject: Re: women as linesmen
Perhaps, a good place for women to try refing men's hockey would be at the
NCAA division I level.
There are strict rules against fighting, and when fights do break out, they
are typically little more than a couple of punches exchanged.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:58:33 EST
From: DAT BYTES
Subject: Re: CBC TV Coverage - Women's Hockey
In a message dated 98-01-20 18:02:33 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
Chuck Collins wrote:
>
> > The American coverage is:
> >
> > CBS - The Gold Medal Game.
> >
> > Big whoop!
>
> Sigh. Probably interspersed with long periods of missed coverage as they
switch
> to a personal interview with Pikaboo Street's 92-year-old grandmother in
> Frostbite Falls, Montana. Or is Frostbite Falls in Minnesota?
>
> So do any of the Satellite Services available in the US include CBC and
TSN?
>
> - Chuck Collins
> email@hidden
Wasn't Frostbite Fall, MN the home of Bullwinkle Moose? Seriously
though, what is the problem with the US media and the coverage of
women's hockey? We have two Olympic teams playing here (San Jose)
tonight and no local television coverage, and little newspaper coverage,
at least in the South Bay.
It seems to me, that the Canadians are more supportive of their women's
hockey team on the whole than the US. Is this because of the general
interest of Canadians in hockey as a sport? Or is it because the US
sports media treats women's hockey in general as a special interest side
story? I'd be interested in seeing what other peoples perception of
this is...
Tammie
>>
I got into a serious debate with one of my teammates about this. She says
that like a lot Americans like to watch hockey for the checking and the
fighting. She says that checking & fighting should be part of the game -
and that it requires more skill to play knowing that soemone can clock you at
any given time.
This is one reason why a lot of people fell teh All-star game is a joke. The
women;s game does not (usually) have these elements - and therefore viewership
of the women;s gmaes will be low also.
I feel that the non-checking game requires a higher level of skill - skating,=
& puck handling as opposed to brute force. I am proof of this. I've only
been playing for about 6 months now. Because I can;t yet skate around
people and steal the puck (or hold on to it) I find that I try to make up for
it by going THROUGH them. Then I usually have 2 minutes to think about how to
skate around them the next time. :-)
If people realize that the men;s & women;s games are two different games, and
take it for what it is, then they should be able to enjoy the women;s game &
appreciate all the skill that goes into it.
Jill
Brooklyn Blades
~~~"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."~~~
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:54:30 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: women as linesmen
> OK, so if I understand this correctly, a woman who wanted to be an
> NHL ref would work in the lower levels starting as a linesman, and
> then specializing as a ref, because she wouldn't be big and
> strong enough to be a linesman at the NHL level (probably- of course
> there certainly are some women who are 6', 180. But not many.).
Officials, male or female, normally start off this way regardless if
they want to work in the NHL or not. It is part of their development
as an official and the way (in many regions) how officials advance
within the program.
Many smaller male officials learn eventually that their chances at
becoming a professional in officiating might be easier if they
concentrate on working as a referee. They, haveing been linesmen at
higher levels of minor hockey, will have gained valuable experience
from those referees that came before them.
> She wouldn't be able to become an NHL ref unless she had worked the
> lines at lower levels, because she wouldn't have had enough experience. Is
> there currently a problem with women becoming linesmen at lower levels?
Not necessarily. I suppose if the NHL saw her referee in a two
official system and they liked what they saw, they could invite her
to camp. But certainly, experience plays a huge role in any job you
are hired for, so this is no different. The more experience you have
at the upper levels of the game, the better chance you have of being
spotted by the NHL.
There is no problem with women becoming linesmen at lower levels.
The problem is finding female officials with the skills and abilities
to work the most competitive levels of the game on the male side.
However, there are now more and more opportunities for officials to
excel in the female game. With ever increasing registration of
female hockey players, I am hoping to see an increase in the
registration of women in officiating.
> Are they thought of as less qualified because they're women? Are they
> thought of as less qualified because they're smaller and weaker, perhaps
> even though men of the same size, strength and/or skating ability
> are deemed qualified?
I think you are trying to make me say something that I am not
prepared to say nor comment on. Perhaps they are in some parts of
the country or by some people. I evaluate officials on their
abilities, not on whether or not they are male or female.
> Are there some women right now who are on
> the ladder that leads to being NHL refs, even on lower rungs?
Not that I am aware of. Not in Canada at least.
>
> I'd like to see a woman ref in the NHL-- but only if she were qualified.
> I'd like to see women working their way up to that level-- but only if
> they're qualified.
Agreed.
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY
email@hidden
www.canadianhockey.ca
www.hhof.com/html/chocoe.htm
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:19:28 -0600 (CST)
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: CBC TV Coverage - Women's Hockey
On 01/20/98 10:40:55 you wrote:
>
>So do any of the Satellite Services available in the US include CBC and TSN?
>
>- Chuck Collins
>email@hidden
I can tell you that DirecTV nor any other Dish provider has rights to broadcast the games and I
believe that CBS has the exclusive rights to the Olympic coverage here in the US and dish or
cable providers can not infringe on this right. So unless you can pick up the Canadian Sats,
don't count on it
Peggy
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:54:27 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: USA 4, Canada 3 (OT)
Shamelessly nicked from the Canoe website:
US 4, Canada 3 (OT)
(AP)- Tara Mounsey scored a power-play goal with less than eight seconds
left in regulation and Katie King scored 3:22 into overtime to give the
United States a 4-3 victory over Canada in an exhibition women's hockey game
Tuesday night. The game was played before a crowd of 7, 784 at the San Jose
Arena, which was believed to be the largest crowd ever to see a women's
hockey game in the United States.
Phil, Victoria, BC
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:33:29 -0000
From: email@hidden (Patti Jankun)
Subject: Brampton Tournament
Hi,
Does anyone have information on the Brampton tournament easter weekend?
Dates, games, costs? Any information will be appreciated.
Thanks
Patti
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:11:51 -0500
From: Val Schmitt
Subject: Anyone going to be at the Olympics?
Hi all,
I'll be going to the olympics (I used to live in the nearby city of
Matsumoto, so it's not as far fetched a trip as you might suppose!) and
will be attending both the Canada-USA and the Gold medal game. I'd love
to catch up with any other list members who will be there. Drop me a
line and maybe we can arrange to meet sometime.
- -- Val
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:23:40 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Stats for USA vs. Canada
Further detail on the 4-3 OT win for Team USA:
USA: Bye, King (x2), Mounsey.
Canada: Hefford (x2) Drolet
Goaltenders: DeCosta (USA) Rheaume (Canada)
SOG: Canada 34, USA 30
Hefford scored with less than a minute to play to put Canada ahead 3-2, but
Mounsey scored a powerplay goal with 8 seconds remaining to tie it up.
Period scores were 1-0 USA, 2-1 Canada and (of course) 3-3.
It would seem that the Sharks' Granato made a fortune on bets with his
teammates!
Next game Monday night at the Saddledome in Calgary.
Phil
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:47:39 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: USA 4, Canada 3
I went to last night's USA-Canada game. I'd never seen any women's
hockey game, ever, even on TV, and last night's game was a great
introduction. Wow!
We bought tickets for the second level (upstairs) at the red line.
This was a mistake, I think. We were up where I usually watch
Sharks games if I go to games, and also right behind where the TV cameras on.
I found myself comparing the women to the NHL men, and this was not so fun:
the women are noticeably slower (which I expected) and also worse
puck-handlers (which I didn't expect, though perhaps I should have).
My first reaction on seeing the women was how small they looked (again,
compared to NHL men); my second reaction was to notice all the pony-tails,
and feel excited to actually be watching *women* play.
We moved downstairs after the first intermission. The closer vantage
point was much better; it was much more like watching my own team
play, and I could see how great the women are, how well they were skating
and how they were hustling.
Canada seemed to be slightly more highly skilled, and looked better than
the US 5-on-5. The US looked chippier and grittier. The US also
has a terrific power play. They moved the puck around quickly, and had
several give-and-gos that were sharp and looked like set plays. No
surprise, then, that three of the US goals came on the power play,
including a 6-on-3 goal blasted from the blueline by Tara Mounsey
to tie up the game with eight seconds to go in the third period.
Both goaltenders played well, although I thought that one of Canada's
goals, where the player came around from behind the net and backhanded the
puck into the far side of the net, was on the soft side.
As everyone around me was remarking, Cammi Granato plays just like
her brother.
At first I wasn't cheering too loudly because it felt funny to be
rooting against women. I got over it, and so did the rest of the
crowd. San Jose Arena is a loud venue for hockey, and by the time
the US was on the power play, down one goal with twelve seconds
to go, and had pulled DeCosta for the extra attacker, the place
was rocking, and of course when Katie King scored the game-winner,
the crowd erupted with cheers and screams.
I'm looking forward to the Olympics. Go USA! Good luck Canada!
- -- Anne Paulson
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