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Women-in-Hockey Digest Saturday, February 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 165
In this issue:
Re: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
CIAU Nationals - games 3 & 4
Re: pain and soreness
THN Back Issues
Face Shields
need players!
Re: Letterman/Europe
Re: Trash Talk
Re: Trash Talk
Admin: New features and changes here at plaidworks....
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:25:23 -0500
From: "VIC'S HOCKEY SCHOOLS"
Subject: Re: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
Dear ABBY, and the list,
I hope that you're not norrow-minded enough to suggest that we have
an influx of only "Angels" as parents with all the new Female Hockey
players beginning to enjoy the game!. Please don't misunderstand. I am,
and I continue to be, one of the most staunchest supporters of Girl's and
Women's hockey! I have coached players who have played on the U.S., the
Canadian, the Japanese and the Swedish Olympic teams and I'm totally
supportive of anyone who wishes to enjoy the sport! No need to voice a
very "protectionist" opinion because I shall attempt to make my "Parentitis"
comment much clearer for you.
With the addition of so many more hockey players(female) into the
game, the growth naturally brings an additional Parent/Fan base.
And, with these additional parents comes a new breed of "Parentitis".
NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE PARENTS OF FEMALE HOCKEY PLAYERS
but because they are just parents who have been added to
the game in general! Unfortunately, the new experience that these and other
parents are suddenly exposed to brings out all the traditional "Parentitis" traits.
The verbal, emotional, sometimes physical (and yes, I recently saw two parents of
11/12 year old female hockey players - same team - pushing and yelling
obsenities at each other because one of the girls fell down at the blueline
allowing the other team to score). It happens to both genders and if you put
your head in the sand and ignore it, or say it doesn't exist, the kids will lose!
I'll bet we ALL have seen "Parentitis" and I will also bet that 99% of you
who witness the abuse just turn to the person sitting next to you
and say "how sad or unbeilievable, or can you believe that guy or that woman,
I wish they would stop" and "Why doesn't somebody say something to that
abusive person?". AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S ALL YOU DO!!!
Shame on all of you who don't become involved in working to stop "Parentitis".
If you saw the parent physically punching their childen or some other
child what would you do??? THIS IS NO DIFFERENT! and I warn you that
verbal and emotional abuse is maybe more harmful because it carries on
long after the game and shows no immediate scares - But they are deep
and they are there!
Each hockey association elects Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Secretaries,
Tournament Directors, etc...... It's time to elect a
DIRECTOR of ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR CONTROL (Dir. of A.B.C) who
uses a Zero tolerance policy and has enough authority to investigate and
remove abusers from the children, at least in public places!
If YOU won't get involved to curtail the abuse personally, then you
must at least get the coaches involved or form a support group with other
parents on your team or your hockey association to deal with the problem
FIRST HAND , before it goes too far. I AM INVOLVED! What can I do or say
that will get all of you involved? I loved having my parents at my games.
They were always positive, yet still able to teach me all the other lessons
of competition, both friendly and serious without taking any fun away and
without presenting any pressures to perform. My dad was a professional
athlete and my mom was a professional mom! And you know what, they
also enjoyed to watch me play. I'd love to be able to "Clone" them!!!
I hope Abby, that you really didn't mean that the comment was STUPID.;
maybe just the way I originally offered it to the group!
At 08:32 AM 2/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, maybe I will...what does the influx of girls/women's hockey
>have to do with this? That's the STUPIDEST comment I have ever heard.
>
>Abby Clabough
>email@hidden
>
>>
>> >...playing soccer and my mom and dad would go on and on about the game
>to others and yelling at the plyers to go, go, go...kick that ball...
>> >
>>Vic wrote:
>>
>> You have really hit on a very serious subject that I'm including in my
>>new hockey books (May '98). What you refer to and what we call "Parentitis" has
>>disrupted thousands of families and taken the "FUN" out of the game for the
>>kids for many years now. It seems to be getting worse especially with the great
>>influx of new Girls/Women Hockey. There are far too many examples of this
>>(bad) abusive parental behavior and because of my research, I can certainly
>>symathize with your experiences. Some parents do get well again, but most
>>just have their contagious parentitis traits copied by others. (Sometimes by
>>their own children). Hopefully, by bringing out these terrible, embarrassing
>>experiences we can begin to show them the way!
>
>
Yours in Hockey;
God Bless
BrushScript BTVic
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:47:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Bryan Parker
Subject: CIAU Nationals - games 3 & 4
The University of Toronto Varsity Blues are 1-1 after round robin play and
the Universite de Quebec a Trois Rivieres Patriotes are still undefeated.
The Pats demolished the St. Mary's Huskies 9-0 ealier today. Quebec League
Rookie of the Year Stephanie Vinet recorded the shutout, stopping all five
shots she faced. UQTR bombarded Lesley Jordan and Marsha Warcop with a
combined total of 52 shots (in only 45 minutes of play). Jessica Daneau
scored three goals and two assists. Nick Walder scored twice and added one
assist. The Patriotes have cliches a spot in the semifinal round tomorrow.
Speculation continues about the future of the women's hockey program at
UQTR, after the school announced last week (on the day of the Olympic gold
medal game) that the program was in jeopardy.
In the other game, Toronto outshot the Aberta Pandas 25-7 en route to a
2-0 victory. Toronto's player of the game, Urszula May, assisted on the
game-winning goal and scored the insurance marker.
Later today, St. Mary's (0-1) faces the Guelph Gryphons (0-1) at 5:30
EST and the Pandas (0-1) are back in action against the host Concordia
Stingers (1-0) at 8:00 EST.
Bryan Parker
Sports Editor, The Concordian
(Concordia's Top Source for Stinger Sports)
email@hidden
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:35:15 EST
From: Jen29H
Subject: Re: pain and soreness
Well I've gotten some good responses for this. Thankfully pretty much
everything except my foot has stopped hurting. And wearing my hiking boots for
the past 2 days has helped some. Someone said something about using a flat
pillow, I don't see how that can work, because I am now using 2 (pretty thin
ones) and have been for a couple years. Before that my neck and shoulders hurt
all of the time, so I used another pillow, and haven't had as much of trouble
with it. Every once in awhile I have. And sleeping on my stomach, I usually
never sleep on my stomach, or back, its too uncomfortable in the first place.
And someone said something about upper chest strengthening. What exercises
can I do for that?
Well now that I'm pretty much out of pain, with the exception of my foot
(which I still wonder how I pulled it, or whatever I did to it) I guess I'll
get back into the whole thing. I was in the library at school today and
instead of doing what I was supossed to be doing I looked at the hockey books
(all 3 of them our school has and they're all from the 70's) and wrote down
some streches and stuff from them, so I guess I'll try those.
Jennie
to be #29, someday
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:13:52 -0500
From: "Kenneth R."
Subject: THN Back Issues
Does anyone have the US mailing address for ordering Hockey News back
issues? Also the cost of each back issue if available. I can't seem to
locate this info in the THN issues I have on hand.
The Team USA Documentary that someone mentioned in a post here today. Is
there any info on the web concerning this?
Thanks! -- Ken
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:49:08 -0600
From: Manuel Angulo
Subject: Face Shields
You wrote:
A man I played with last year played without a face shield of any sort. At
a game which I missed, something knocked his teeth loose, and when I saw
him next, he was saying how he had gone to the dentist, who had wired his
teeth to make sure they tightned back up in the right place, but that
everything should be fine in a while. Then he told the guys that when he
left to play that night, his wife had handed him a face shield, and
insisted he wear it. Why did this grown person need someone else to make
him do the sensible thing, especially after an experience like getting his
teeth knocked loose???! Go figure.
At a game I missed last season, there was a guy that took a stick to the
face and the result was not pretty - of course he wasn't wearing any kind
of face protection. When I saw him a couple of weeks later in a game, he
still wasn't wearing one. I couldn't believe it -- especially, since every
time he was on the ice, you could tell he was playing tentative because he
was afraid of getting hit in the face again!
Oh well....
Candi
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:23:50 -0800
From: Bec Kemp
Subject: need players!
Interested in playing in the Seattle 7th Annual Spring Tournament and
don't belong to a specific team?
The Evergreen Female Hockey Association will sponsor a second team to
play in the tournament which will be held April 10-12. You are welcome to
join us as an individual in tournament play on that team. Cost will be $45
(3 game guarantee) and requires USA hockey membership (available for $22 if
you don't already have it.)
Please contact email@hidden
or call (206) 725-4933 for more info
Bec Kemp
email@hidden
AOL Instant Messenger: beckemp
wherever you go, there you are!
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:29:32 EST
From: DAT BYTES
Subject: Re: Letterman/Europe
In a message dated 98-02-27 03:00:34 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< I just wanted to say how cool I think it is that everytime I turn on
Letterman, Dave is always saying how much he "loves the U.S. Women's hockey
team" Since I am a Letterman fan it just makes me like him that much more.
Does anyone eles like his little comments? Also I was wondering, since I'm
going to Europe this summer (mostly Spain) if anyone knows anything about
roller hockey over there or if I should even bring my equipment. I don't
know if I can go a whole summer without playing, that's a tough one. Maybe
there are some camps over there that you can recommend. I'll be in Spain for
4 weeks and the rest of the time will be spent..........anywhere I guess.
>>
Your best bet would be to pick 1) surf the net 2) try to get you rmitts on a
copy of Time Out Magazine, for whatever major city you are going to. They
usually have pretty good info. Hope this helps.
I';ve seen "pick-up" roller hockey in Hyde Park in London, but I'm not sure if
there is anything serious. I must admit, I love the British version of
"trash Talk" -- rather than "Your mutha wears combat boots," or "I'm gonna
f--- you up!!" I heard one guy yell out (I swear this is true) "Nigel!!
You're a bloody menace!!!" I almost fell down, I was laughing so hard!! =D
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:28:29 EST
From: LuvCLemx22
Subject: Re: Trash Talk
In a message dated 98-02-27 12:35:10 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< I hope that your players are good PLAYERS not "talkers". >>
You can BET on that, they play their for the Championship tommorow morning at
the Crown (formerly Riverfront Coliseum) in Cincinnati.
Jackie
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:28:28 EST
From: LuvCLemx22
Subject: Re: Trash Talk
In a message dated 98-02-27 12:39:31 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< However, making fun of someone who had to have a
parent drive them to the arena "could" be considered trash talking. >>
Not when it is a full grown man and besides the last occassion I met this
particular player on the ice before the "Saw your Mommy drop you off" thing,
he slugged me.
Jackie
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:12:39 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Admin: New features and changes here at plaidworks....
I'm rather happy to announce the availability of a major new feature
here at plaidworks. We now have available a search engine that allows
you to go wandering through the archives of the mailing lists, using a
keyword search lookup form.
This is a tool I've been trying to get running for a long, long time.
Our archives are, I think, a key resource towards building a community
memory, but it's been very hard to find a piece of data in them ("I
know George said something about this about six months ago, but....")
- -- the new search engine should help people who are interested in
tracking down stuff from the past (and perhaps tossing it into our
faces laughing... having seen some of my old posts, I'm sure looking
forward to having them brought back to life... *grin*).
This archive is a significant resource: the search engine is storing
data on about 38,000 files, and over 380 megabytes of text, going all
the way back to our first pre-plaidworks mailing lists back in the days
we were running things on the side on Apple machines. That's one reason
why it's taken so long to get this search engine running -- lots of
them exist, but few exist that'll handle the amount of data we're
shoving down their throats, and do so quickly enough to warrant
installing them. Updating the engine databases takes about five hours
of processing, and uses up to 3 gigabytes of space while it's building
the indexes. For this reason, we're only updating indexes weekly right
now.
I've updated the web pages for each list (available from
to include the URL to the search
engine, which is . I'm interested in
your feedback, positive or negative -- and if you run into problems,
*please* let me know.
Don't forget the other archives we have available: you're welcome to
browse the digests via either FTP () or the
web (), and we also have a threaded web
archive of the last 30 days (and/or 1000 messages) posted to the list
at . The threaded archive is accessible
both via message subject and date posted, and it's a nice way to go
back and find a recent posting.
We've also made some changes that have significantly improved delivery
time of messages sent to the lists. I've been struggling with list
delivery issues for months, trying to improve our performance, and
finally came up with some ideas that I thought would make things
faster.
I had no idea....
Here is a look at a "typical" day here at Plaidworks before I started
changing things (this is a day from before the Olympic break -- during
the break, volume went down significantly in most lists....):
39191 messages send to 3511 unique addresses
for a total delay time of 2204224 minutes, average delay time = 56 minutes
3940 < 5 minutes (10%)
5100 < 15 minutes (13%)
6052 < 30 minutes (15.4%)
10314 < 60 minutes (26.3%)
13429 < 240 minutes (34.2%)
356 < over 240 minutes (0.9%)
Only 23% of mail was being delivered in 15 minutes or less, and fully
60% of mail was taking over 30 minutes, with the average being almost
an hour. Having 35% of mail not being delivered for over an hour just
wasn't good enough. (FWIT, the 39,191 messages delivered is a
site-delivery number: if 30 people are subscribed to a list from AOL,
we send one copy to AOL and AOL expands it and sends it to the 30
users, so that number is really # of transactions, not number of
messages received by our users. The unique address number turns out to
be meaningless (and incorrect), but when I wrote this report, I didn't
know that....)
Here's the numbers for Friday. We're not QUITE back to the volume of
this first sample day (which was one of our busiest days
pre-Olympics....), but it's close enough to be comparable:
37800 messages send to 3558 unique addresses
for a total delay time of 379505 minutes, average delay time = 10 minutes
16560 < 5 minutes (43.8%)
15879 < 15 minutes (42%)
4344 < 30 minutes (11.4%)
626 < 60 minutes (1.6%)
269 < 240 minutes (0.7%)
122 < over 240 minutes (0.3%)
Yes, we've been able to drop the AVERAGE delay time from an hour to ten
minutes. The worst we've seen since the changeover was 12 minutes, and
now we're seeing 86% delivery in under 15 minutes and fully 98%
delivery within half an hour. The other 2%, by the way, is because when
we tried to deliver it, the other side was unavailable or refusing
messages....
So things should be a lot faster for users -- some of you have noticed
and sent us e-mail on it, in fact. this really improves the
responsiveness of the lists, and I think makes them a more interactive
and interesting place to be. It's hard to hold a conversation over 90
minute delays, but that's what was happening at times. This should lead
to more interesting and timely conversations (and more messages. Just
what I'm sure you wanted... *grin*).
We hope you enjoy this new, faster setup... I'm glad to have finally
figured out what wasn't working (I hate it when I know something's not
optimal and can't figure out why, but when you get 40-50 megabytes of
log file a day, you can't just browse through it with a text editor....)
One final note: I'm about to start revamping the list server
documentation (all of the pages at ,
and the text documents that go with them for the
info-@plaidworks.com addresses). If you have any comments
(good or negative, especially negative) or suggestions, now is a
wonderful time to send them to me, so I can consider them for the
updates....
Again, thanks for wanting to be part of of this place. Laurie and I
might deal with the technology and the servers, but it's the people
USING them that makes this a place we want to be....
chuq
List Mom
- --
Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:email@hidden)
Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:email@hidden)
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