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Women-in-Hockey Digest Friday, February 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 163
In this issue:
Re: Mouthguards/Face Shields
Re[2]: Rink air quality, etc.
Letterman/Europe
"Parentitis" the disease!!!
Re: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
Re: Rink air quality, etc.
Protection on the ice
Re: Rink air quality, etc.
Re: Rink air quality, etc.
talk we must!
Trash Talk
Re: Trash Talk
Re: Rink air quality, etc.
Re: Trash Talk
Re: Helmets/Face Shields
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:29:18 EST
From: LuvCLemx22
Subject: Re: Mouthguards/Face Shields
In a message dated 98-02-26 21:00:06 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< Why did this grown
person need someone else to make him do the sensible thing, especially
after an experience like getting his teeth knocked loose???! Go
figure.
>>
Among the men it's a "Macho" thing and the only truly HORRIBLE things I've
ever seen on the ice has been due to people not wearing a face shield, or just
wearing a visor. I've seen teeth gone, noses broken, an eyeball actually
dislodge somewhat from it's socket and I could go on, but I will spare you.
If you've ever worn a visor than you know that if you can wear that you just
might as well wear a full one, I've done it and the half shield is much more
irritating and hard to get used to than a full face shield. Speaking of full
shields, I've bee using the new CCM one that you can flip up with one hand for
about 8 months now and I would recommend it, I had my doubts at first if it
would be as protective as the ones that are fastened on in more than one
place, but it has survived sticks, 70 mph slapshots, the works and being able
to flip it up with one hand is great. It sort of sits a little further out
from the face so fogging is not as much of a problem as it is with the Itech
shields I've had in the past, although no matter WHAT the manuafacturer tries
to say, they all FOG up! Anti-Fog! Ha!
Jackie
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Date: 26 Feb 1998 16:42:12 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
Subject: Re[2]: Rink air quality, etc.
I think the air quality in a rink depends heavily on whether it uses a
gasoline Zam or a natural gas Zam. All of the new rinks/Zams in the
Wash DC area are natural gas because of this issue.
jan.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:50:29 EST
From: Liz14rh
Subject: Letterman/Europe
I just wanted to say how cool I think it is that everytime I turn on
Letterman, Dave is always saying how much he "loves the U.S. Women's hockey
team" Since I am a Letterman fan it just makes me like him that much more.
Does anyone eles like his little comments? Also I was wondering, since I'm
going to Europe this summer (mostly Spain) if anyone knows anything about
roller hockey over there or if I should even bring my equipment. I don't
know if I can go a whole summer without playing, that's a tough one. Maybe
there are some camps over there that you can recommend. I'll be in Spain for
4 weeks and the rest of the time will be spent..........anywhere I guess.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:13:29 -0500
From: "VIC'S HOCKEY SCHOOLS"
Subject: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
At 02:38 PM 2/26/98 -0800, you wrote:
>It was not a hockey incident persay, but I remember when I was a little kid
>playing soccer and my mom and dad would go on and on about the game to
>others and yelling at the plyers to go, go, go...kick that ball. That kind
>of stuff. I got so annoyed after a while I told my mom and dad to stop
>talking. Of course they didn't.
>
>Eddie
Hi Eddie,
You have really hit on a very serious subject that I'm including in my
new hockey books (May '98). What you refer to and what we call "Parentitis" has
disrupted thousands of families and taken the "FUN" out of the game for the
kids for many years now. It seems to be getting worse especially with the great
influx of new Girls/Women Hockey. There are far too many examples of this
(bad) abusive parental behavior and because of my research, I can certainly
symathize with your experiences. Some parents do get well again, but most
just have their contagious parentitis traits copied by others. (Sometimes by
their own children). Hopefully, by bringing out these terrible, embarrassing
experiences we can begin to show them the way!
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:32:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Abby
Subject: Re: "Parentitis" the disease!!!
Are you suggesting the end to all shouts of encouragment from the stands?
I'll make no further comments until I understand exactly what you propose
to be proper behavior.
Well, maybe I will...what does the influx of girls/women's hockey
have to do with this? That's the STUPIDEST comment I have ever heard.
Abby Clabough
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>
> >...playing soccer and my mom and dad would go on and on about the game
to others and yelling at the plyers to go, go, go...kick that ball...
> >
>
> You have really hit on a very serious subject that I'm including in my
>new hockey books (May '98). What you refer to and what we call "Parentitis" has
>disrupted thousands of families and taken the "FUN" out of the game for the
>kids for many years now. It seems to be getting worse especially with the great
>influx of new Girls/Women Hockey. There are far too many examples of this
>(bad) abusive parental behavior and because of my research, I can certainly
>symathize with your experiences. Some parents do get well again, but most
>just have their contagious parentitis traits copied by others. (Sometimes by
>their own children). Hopefully, by bringing out these terrible, embarrassing
>experiences we can begin to show them the way!
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:09:00 -0500
From: George Boccanfuso
Subject: Re: Rink air quality, etc.
Richard Johnston wrote:
>
> Rink Air Quality has been studied and is been attributed to two factors:
>
> One: the cold air and lack of fresh air being introduced by "sealed" rinks
The "sealed" rink description is inappropriate; if the building was
sealed well, then the coldest it would be in an arena would be slightly
above freezing and we all know that it not the case.
> causes the air to have a higher carbon dioxide percentage and an increase in other pollutants (similar to sick building syndrome).
Again, an inappropriate conclusion.
> Two: (the more severe) is pollution caused by diesel & propane driven
If diesel zambonis are being used then there truly is a problem and I
would voice a complaint with the arena staff.
> The gases settle to the ice because of the cold and the gases is heavier than oxygen.
It is true that some gaes are heavier that oxygen but at the low
concentrations that are typically found, the toxic gases will be
dispersed evenly by the movement of the zamboni and the players skating.
>
> In the New York Area we had a rink sued because a player collapsed
> due to carbon-monoxide poisoning. The player had asthma and a
> seizure was triggered by the lack of oxygen.
>
There should have been other cases of carbon-monoxide poisoning. CO is
not selective, by attacking only people with asthama.
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George Boccanfuso
Professor, Lambton College
Industrial Hygienist (OSHA and NIOSH type stuff)
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:15:19 +400
From: "Winglab"
Subject: Protection on the ice
Hi Everuone!
I completely agree with Terry. I mentioned before that
this is my first year playing in a senior "C" league and I
already had one incident where my helmet protected my life.
I play forward and I was in the slot of course in our
offensive zone and some guy just took his stick and spun me
around a full 360, degrees, right across the temple.
Naturally I slammed into the ice and the FIRST thing I said
out loud was,"Boy, this helmet really works" so please, it
only takes ONE time to be hit at the right angle and the
right speed to knock you out for good, plus I think this is
especially imperative with the beginners considering we're
all learning and our skating and stickhandling isn't up to
par yet. I was told we were required to wear full cage
masks, but I noticed that some people don't, however, with
me being only 5' and one half inch, I feel lots of sticks
around my neck and face area, however, I have yet to wear
my mouthguard, but since you guys have shown me the
importance of it I'll wear one tomorrow night at our next
game, Thanks for hte advice.(I errroneously assumed that
since I have acage and this is only a non-checking "C"
league, how rough can anyone possibly get?). Ignorance is
bliss until reality smacks you in the face, and in hockey
that can be deadlly. Jen, please wear the appropriate
equipment, don't risk your life and especially your knees,
it's not worth it.I also want to thank Tammy Weigl who sent
me such a positive note about my knee recovery, it's very
slow but with another tear in my meniscus, who knows, so
unfortunately I can't play the way I'd like but I'll take
what I can get. Thanks again everyonefor allthis good info
and the previuous words of support. Some parents at the
rink have asked me to help coach the mites next year,
stating that it will be nice to have a non-parent
volunteer, I really didn't realize this was such a problem,
any insight as to what i might be getting myself into?ASIA
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:30:10 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: Rink air quality, etc.
George,
It was not the carbon monoxide that affected my daughter, but rather the
molds and mildews that grow in places like rinks. Rinks are damp and great
breeding grounds for those kinds of allergens. I wonder about the high
number of hockey players and figure skaters who use inhalers before and
after skating. There must be something that causes this. You don't see
that kind of stuff in other sports.
Debbie
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:59:07 -0500
From: Richard Johnston
Subject: Re: Rink air quality, etc.
Jan de Regt wrote:
> I think the air quality in a rink depends heavily on whether it uses a
> gasoline Zam or a natural gas Zam. All of the new rinks/Zams in the
> Wash DC area are natural gas because of this issue.
Sorry Jan, only electric Zambonis are polution-free. Any other type creates
carbon-monoxide or carbon-dioxide as a bi-product. Both can be lethal in
high concentrations. Although new rinks might be getting the propane
versions (these are better than the diesel/gasoline type) don't expect any
rink to run out and buy an electric too quickly. A new Zamboni costs about
$60 - 80,000.00 USD and this is regardess of the type. Note: I heard that
electric Zambonis are more expensive to operate - they eat their batteries and
require long recharge cycles.
Rich Johnston
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:40:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Hester Groenevelt
Subject: talk we must!
>I talk when I'm on the ice. Not play-by-play per se, but directions. "get
it; one on you; >go,go,go!" that sort of stuff.
Yep I just yap it all. Play-by-play, instructions, "man on", encouragement,
etc. I play mostly pick-up with work people, so we know everyone on both
teams, and I try to say "good play" whenever someone on either team makes a
good play. I hope it makes all the chatter a little less annoying. I try to
shut up but it's hard!
>on the other - make sure what you are yelling makes sense. i thought we were
>going to have to gag my husband one night becasue he kept yelling, *no-ice* or
>*icing* at exactly the opposite calls! :-)
He's so excited to be playing hockey that he's left 20 or 30 IQ points in
the dressing room, I think! I'm familiar with that syndrome also.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:53:26 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Trash Talk
Jackie wrote:
> I talk, but more to opponents than to teammates. I've always found it amusing
> how quick players can be taken off their game by just a little yapping.
...snip...
What is the appeal of trash talk? Why can't people just beat their
opponent on the scoreboard rather than picking on them mentally and
verbally? I don't understand this phenomenon.
It bothers me even more because I am hearing more and more of it.
Soon, there will be a call to eliminate trash talking from the game.
And guess who will have to police it? Right, the referees. And
personally, I think they have enough on their plates already. Hey
coaches.....tell your players that trash talking is unacceptable on
your team and maybe we don't need to create any more new rules for
the officials to enforce.
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY ASSOCIATION
email@hidden
www.canadianhockey.ca
www.hhof.com/html/chocoe.htm
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:22:24 EST
From: CoCre8tor
Subject: Re: Trash Talk
In a message dated 98-02-27 11:15:27 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< Hey
coaches.....tell your players that trash talking is unacceptable on
your team and maybe we don't need to create any more new rules for
the officials to enforce. >>
I agree. Nothing's worse than to see kids trash talking in sports because
their coaches do it when they play, or the big salary "professionals" do it.
Play the game, and let the scoreboard do the talking.
Mike
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:11:37 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: Rink air quality, etc.
> Sorry Jan, only electric Zambonis are polution-free. Any other type creates
> carbon-monoxide or carbon-dioxide as a bi-product. Both can be lethal in
> high concentrations. Although new rinks might be getting the propane
> versions (these are better than the diesel/gasoline type) don't expect any
> rink to run out and buy an electric too quickly. A new Zamboni costs about
> $60 - 80,000.00 USD and this is regardess of the type. Note: I heard that
> electric Zambonis are more expensive to operate - they eat their batteries and
> require long recharge cycles.
There is an arena in Edmonton I believe where I actually saw an
electric ice resurfacing machine that uses an extension cord!!! It
was connected to the machine using an automatic retracting device
and connected to a moving connecting box above the ice surface on a
track connected to the ceiling. Very interesting. But obviously no
problems with pollution or batteries.
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY ASSOCIATION
email@hidden
www.canadianhockey.ca
www.hhof.com/html/chocoe.htm
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:45:49 EST
From: LuvCLemx22
Subject: Re: Trash Talk
In a message dated 98-02-27 11:06:49 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< What is the appeal of trash talk? Why can't people just beat their
opponent on the scoreboard rather than picking on them mentally and
verbally? I don't understand this phenomenon. >>
Your taking what I said just a little too far! By NO stretch of the
imagination would I call what I do "Trash Talking" and you shouldn't either!
I am a COACH and I do not allow my players to "Trash Talk" as IN using another
players physical imperfections to put them down, such as "Gee, I didn't know
they made Hockey Pants that big" or "Hey 4 eyes, sure you can see through the
fog?" Nor do I allow cursing on the ice from my players! I'm 4'11" 97 lbs.
so you are really making a stretch to say I "pick" on anyone. The last
tournament I was in I encountered a HUGE defencewoman (we're talking 6'0"
230-250lbs) and she was moving me all around the crease and I kept saying
things to her like, "Gee, how did you get that strong?" or "Can you just lose
me for a second?" etc., and when the game was over and we went down the line
shaking hands, I said to her - "You really are awfully strong!" and she
replied, "And you are awfully funny!" That is not "Trash Talk". Sorry, but I
can't and won't change my personality and I don't try to change the
personalities of my players either.
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:52:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Penny Ginn
Subject: Re: Helmets/Face Shields
OK, I'll grab my soap box and jump on the bandwagon. :)
I play pick-up street hockey games. Most of my players are boys ages
6-14. Last spring one of the kids hit a slap shot, followed through high,
and his stick caught one of the older boys just above the eye. He was
dripping a puddle of blood. I applied pressure and got another kid to
call his mom (I'm often the only adult there). Turns out he was very
lucky; only had to wear an eye patch and lie totally still for about a
week, then about 4 months before he could even play golf again (not a very
active sport, in my opinion :) Then another few months before he could
rejoin us in hockey. (I also discovered that you've got to be careful
applying pressure to any eye injury).
Anyway, I had never used a face shield before then (I usually wore a bike
helmet). He discovered that the hockey helmet he owned but wasn't wearing
was too small anyway, so he gave it to me. I re-attached the face cage
and now use it. Yes, I hate it. It's like I lose parallax between my
eyes when scanning across where the bars are. Any helmet is hot as hades
in these South Carolina summers. But, there's too much at risk to not
wear them. I guess my other option is to give up hockey - NO WAY!
So, I'll put my soap box away ... until another time.
Penny
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