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Women-in-Hockey Digest Thursday, February 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 161
In this issue:
Re: Mouthguards
Re: Mouthguards
Re: Mouthguards
Re: Female Coaches
Re: Mouthguards
head protection
Deleted
Re: head protection
Re: head protection
Michigan Tourney
Mouthguards/Face Shields
I'm sorry...
Re: Mouthguards/Face Shields
Face Protection
Rink air quality, etc.
Re: Rink air quality, etc.
Re: Rink air quality (rink lung)
Re: Face Protection
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Date: 25 Feb 98 12:02:02 PST (Wed)
From: Chuck Collins
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
> You wrote:
>
> >A new USA Hockey rule requires that all players wear a
> colored
> mouthguard, that's clearly attached to the helmet or cage of the
> helmet.
>
> I believe this is for skaters 19 and under. Senior women are not
> required to wear them anymore.
>
> -----------
> We've been told mouthguards aren't required for "boys" teams at the
> mite or squirt level. This has made for the bizarre situation, when a
> girls squirt team plays a boys squirt team, the girls have been
> assessed misconduct penalties for no mouthguard, while the boys team
> (including any girls on boys teams) doesn't have to wear them.
> Anybody know the logic behind this?
There's your first mistake, looking for logic. This stuff is dictated by
insurance policies.
Explain to me the logic in which senior women must wear a full face shield,
but senior men don't.
When you play mixed-level games, or even mixed-country games, you get all
kinds of paradoxes like these.
I actually think that most of the rules are made by finding the rule that
causes the most vocal minorities to be quiet. I'm sure the insurance companies
would like to enforce senior men wear full face shields. However, when such
a rule is proposed, you get thousands of well-established organizations
squawking loudly. So then they turn around and say senior women must wear
full face. You get squawking, but not at nearly the same volume. Rule passed.
There's a reasonable claim that it's a pain to get very young kids to deal
with a mouth guard. So the compromise is that they need the mouth guard once
they get to an age where checking is allowed.
Actually, USA Hockey would prefer that we quit calling girls' 12-and-under
squirts. They're just 12-and-under. So if you look at how the ages line up,
12-U is more closely boys' Pee Wee than Squirt. 12-year-old boys all must
wear mouth guards, so therefore 12-U girls must wear mouthguards. 12-U
girls is administered just about exactly like no-check Pee Wees. Slap shots
OK, mouth guards. California requires Pee Wees and above to sign score sheets
before the game, 12-U girls as well.
- - Chuck Collins
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:10:46 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
The way I see it, mouthguards are basically there to protect your tongue. I
really don't see how they can protect your teeth, because if a 60mph puck
comes flying at your face, I don't see how its going to save anything, of
course that may just be what I used last season.
As for the USA hockey thing requiring mouthguards and straps, or whatever
somebody said, for me it really doesn't matter, in this particular program.
Its just a city rec thing, so just as long as you have one, its ok. You don't
even have to have a hockey helmet, you can use a bike helmet, or whatever just
as long as you have something on your head. And the refs(they're a bunch of
teens, that really don't know what they're doing) really wouldn't care, we'd
just get a warning, maybe a 2 minute penalty. Nobody noticed when I didn't
have mine in, luckily I did though, only about halfway into my shift.
But I'll probably keep the strap on, of course it depends on what I get in
the first place.
Jennie
to be #29 (someday)
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:59:19 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
> We've been told mouthguards aren't required for "boys" teams at the
> mite or squirt level. This has made for the bizarre situation, when a
> girls squirt team plays a boys squirt team, the girls have been
> assessed misconduct penalties for no mouthguard, while the boys team
> (including any girls on boys teams) doesn't have to wear them.
> Anybody know the logic behind this?
I just read the USA Hockey rule and the above statement is accurate.
Not sure why the discrepancy. However, my question would be, why
are the girls still getting misconduct penalties this late in the
season? It is the coaches responsibility (as well as the player's)
to ensure the players are wearing the proper protective equipment.
Seems they deserve what they get. But I agree, it is odd that it
isn't the same across the board.
Dave
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:26:06 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Female Coaches
Well since I've only had 1 coach (a guy) I really don't have enough
experience. But the things I'd want in a coach would be:
-has to be fun and wants to make it fun, no drill sergeant type people
-has to like and understand hockey (or whatever sport)
-doesn't make favorites on the team, (it just bugs me)
-doesn't get mad if someone screws up or we lose
-works with everybody on their specific weaknesses, and helps them
-after the season is over, sets up games on weekends or whenever (my coach
did that, too bad I never made any of them)
There are probably some other things, but I don't really know right now. It
really wouldn't matter if it was female or male, I don't think.
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:39:27 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
yea, it is the players and kinda the coaches responsibilty. In the rec thing
I'm in, on of my teammates forgot his knee pads in the car one day, and our
coach said he couldn't practice without them on. Same thing when a kid forgot
his mouthguard.
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:47:48 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: head protection
Responding to Jen's post about ocasionally skating without helmet....
It never ceases to amaze me that folks that would invest $40,000 + on post
secondary degrees up to and including medical Dr's (you KNOW who you are,
David!) would risk it all in a pick-up roller hockey game with no helmet on. I
have personal and professional experience with the end result of head trauma
from high speed and low speed impacts with out helmets on.
The best outcome from a traumatic head injury is that three or more other
families are singing your praises because their relative got one of your
organs for transplant. I will always remember the face of the 28 yr old woman
donating her kidneys, leaving 2 small children, because she bobbled on her
bike (low speed) when a car pulled out in front of her. Many of us skate
faster than she was riding!
A worse scenario is you living another 40-50 years, all your education down
the drain because your grey matter is disrupted. Your family now has to
accomodate a "new" you....same body, but your personality is forever changed.
My cousin was drafted to the minor league in the late 70's in New York. A
cross check into the boards sent him to the hospital with a head injury. We
didn't get back the same Keith that left with dreams of skating in the big
leagues.
My point being, if you are of the opinion that it's "my choice" to wear a
helmet or not because "I have health insurance that will cover me", don't be
so sure that you won't outlast your insurance carriers wily efforts to dump
you. Once you have maxed out your 2-4 million in custodial care (and this can
occur over 2-5 years if you are ventilator dependent!) you become the burden
of the state.....in other words, we ALL pay for your "choice" via Medicare,
Social Security and Medicaid.
I'm sure this will generate lots of "tub-thumping" on the list....hear's
hoping you "get back up again"......with all your grey matter intact! If it
makes one more person commit to wearing a helmet EVERY time they skate it will
be worth the discussion.
Terry
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:29:36 -0500
From: "Hornet"
Subject: Deleted
Hello.
I remember someone earlier sent the list a message about a girls prep school
in Conn. (or some prep school somewhere). Somehow it got deleted from my
computer. If anyone knows what I'm talking about and can send me the
original message and/or the information regarding it (or any others you may
know about) please let me know. Thank you very much!
Hornet
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http://www.angelfire.com/hi/hornetsnest/
"A slap shot travels at 105 MPH, leaving you 1/10th of a second to react.
Don't blink."
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:05:39 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: head protection
*applause for Terry*
A wonderfully written post Terry. Thank you. That is one step in
the right direction, getting them to wear the appropriate head gear.
Next is getting everyone to wear it correctly. Chin strap properly
fastened "snuggly" under the chin.
And what about facial protection? Oh, it's too hot. What will you
be playing once you have lost your sight because you took an errant
stick or puck in the eye? You will get used to the facial protector
if you give it a try.
And finally, the mouth guards. If you are going to use them, use
them properly. I saw a game last week where the player didn't even
have the thing in his mouth properly. He was literally just holding
a portion of it in his mouth, the rest dangling out the side of his
mouth.
What I often wonder is, why aren't the coaches and trainers (who, I
might add, are supposed to be the "risk management" personnel on the
team) ensuring that the equipment is being used and used correctly?
Dave
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:16:43 -0500
From: "Hornet"
Subject: Re: head protection
I look at the protective gear like a seat belt: you may never be in a crash,
but it sure will help you if you are. And like a seat belt, you'll get used
to putting it on and having it snug after time. It will become a habit, and
you won't notice it until it protects you.
Hornet
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http://www.angelfire.com/hi/hornetsnest/
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:31:28 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Michigan Tourney
I am wondering if anyone knows about a Womens Tournament in Bay City MI? I
think it might be Mar. 6, 7,and 8th. Also is it possible for me to play in
the tournament on a team that needs an extra player?
Thanks
C. White
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:05:07 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Mouthguards/Face Shields
In a message dated 98-02-25 15:10:26 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
Explain to me the logic in which senior women must wear a full face shield,
but senior men don't.
>>
I've only been playing for about 8 months, and I've been bopped in the head,
whacked on the chin, tripped on the blue line & fallen on my face, and have
had head-on collisions too many times to count. And a lot of that was just
at practice!!! :-)
Point being that it doesn;t take a lot to get injured. If the equipment is
available, why not wear it? A $20 mouthguard, or a $40 face shield is well
worth the cost. (Unless you are totally ugly or something.) I love playing
hockey, but don;t want the facial scars & missing teeth that are associated
with it.
Anybody who doesn't wear the equipment deserves whatever they get.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:15:17 -0800
From: Eddie Ragasa
Subject: I'm sorry...
I just wanted to apoligze to everone on the list. Earlier this week I
posted a message that said Sarah Tueting was going to be on Dave Letterman
today, Wednesday February 25th. I got this information from Dave
Letterman's web site. It turns out that they were on yesterday and not
only was Sarah Tueting there so was Cammi Granato. Again I'm sorry for the
confusion but the information came from Dave's web site.
Eddie
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:28:33 -0600
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguards/Face Shields
Does anyone know if you can get colored mouthguards with straps from
dentists? I have spoken to my dentist about getting a custom mouthguard,
since I find the boil and bite ones very uncomfortable and she has told me
that they only come in clear and do not have straps. If someone has
contrary information and can send me contact information for your dentist,
I would be able to see if my dentist can use that to get what I need.
Wendy
FLASH Hockey - #21
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:48:40 -0600
From: email@hidden
Subject: Face Protection
Is there really a rule about senior women wearing a full shield? I've
played in men's leagues for over 3 years now, and a couple of women's
tournaments, and have never been told that I had to wear one.
Just wondering...
Joey
PS - I know, I know...I deserve all the sticks and pucks I take in the
face!
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:26:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Hester Groenevelt
Subject: Rink air quality, etc.
Did anyone else see the 'Marketplace' episode on the quality of air in rinks
(generally very bad, according to the show)? I can get a pretty good 'arena
cough' going if I spend a lot of time at the rink, but I never thought about
the air quality, I just thought it was because of the cold, dry air.
On another note, does anyone else get so excited about playing hockey that
they turn into a non-stop, play-by-play babbler during the game, causing
veteran male players to shoot you odd glances? Just wondering.
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:54:07 +0000
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
Subject: Re: Rink air quality, etc.
Hester Groenevelt wrote:
>
> Did anyone else see the 'Marketplace' episode on the quality of air in rinks
> (generally very bad, according to the show)? I can get a pretty good 'arena
> cough' going if I spend a lot of time at the rink, but I never thought about
> the air quality, I just thought it was because of the cold, dry air.
>
A couple of years ago I saw a notice posted in a Minnessota arena. I
seem to remember it referring to a young man that had died of CO
poisining and a law that was passed as a result. Wish I had more info.
Anyone know the story or have any of the particulars of what the law
requires?
Lyle Anderson, AK Firebirds
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 12:37:08 -0500
From: email@hidden (Jules Hammer)
Subject: Re: Rink air quality (rink lung)
Hester Groenevelt:
>
> Did anyone else see the 'Marketplace' episode on the quality of air in rinks
> (generally very bad, according to the show)? I can get a pretty good 'arena
> cough' going if I spend a lot of time at the rink, but I never thought about
> the air quality, I just thought it was because of the cold, dry air.
Hester,
I had an upper respiratory infection last year that just would NOT go away...
The second doctor I saw asked me many questions about my lifestyle, etc...
and when he learned that I played hockey at least 3 times a week in enclosed
rinks, told me about "rink lung."
Apparently, doctors are making rink atletes aware of the dangers of the
exhaust from ice resurfacers. The exhaust from the ice resurfacers (not the
electric ones) hangs over the ice. Normally, exhaust would rise & dissipate
somewhat, but because of the cold air in the rink- it sinks and the CO2 and
other noxious vapors just sit at ice level- to be sucked into the
hard-working lungs of players/ figure skaters. I also read about this last
year in a hockey publication (sorry- I forget which one).
My team's home rink (where the Bruins practice) just got an electric
resurfacer, and the rink manager cited health reasons for making the switch.
Hope this helps.
Jules
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:15:45 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: Face Protection
> Is there really a rule about senior women wearing a full shield? I've
> played in men's leagues for over 3 years now, and a couple of women's
> tournaments, and have never been told that I had to wear one.
From Rule 304 - Protective Equipment from the USA Hockey Official
Rules:
(d) All players, including goalkeepers, in Junior and below and
Girls/Women Midget and below age classifications, are required to
wear a face mask certified by HECC, plus any chin protection that
accompanies the face mask, except as permitted in Note 1 of this
rule.
(Note 1) All player who are playing in the Junior and Girls/Women
Midget age classification, having reached the age of majority, shall
be permitted to wear a HECC approved half face mask shield.
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY ASSOCIATION
email@hidden
www.canadianhockey.ca
www.hhof.com/html/chocoe.htm
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