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Women-in-Hockey Digest Saturday, February 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 154
In this issue:
Re: Hockey Camps
Re: Canadian hockey athletes
Re: Canadian hockey athletes
Re: Canadian hockey athletes
some of Team USA
Re: High School Hockey
Re: some of Team USA
Re: winnign vs competition
Roller Hockey Tournament in Sacramento
Re: Canadian hockey athletes
Re: Girls H.S. Hockey
Katie King Stats
Re: Canada's Coaching
Re: Random thoughts
Re: Amateurs
Gender Misconceptions
Re: Random thoughts
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 10:50:52 PST
From: "oakwood farm"
Subject: Re: Hockey Camps
Does Anyone out there know of a Hockey Camp or Clinic for Older Women who have
played hockey for a long time but want to take it to the next level. I have the skill and
experience, but don't want the soccer/swimming/entertainment crap that goes with
camps for younger players....I want to learn Hockey - not another sport.
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:41:56 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Canadian hockey athletes
At 11:20 PM -0800 2/20/98, Eddie Ragasa wrote:
> I can understand what you are saying. Just look at the Canadain men's team
> at the Olympics. They came out to support their women's team. Were was
> the U.S. men's team? It's like they did not care at all.
That's not really true or fair. The Men's team did show support for the
American women's, despite some boners like Wilson scheduling a team
meeting during that key women's game. And when the women were here in
San Jose, the Sharks at a bunch of players showed them good, solid
support. It was there.
> But then again,
> it's true, the U.S. men's team did not even care for themselves.
I refuse to paint the entire American team with the brush of shame that
belongs to a couple over the vandalism -- but instead, I think what the
*big* problem with the Americans is that they didn't really understand
or care for the Olympics. Canada's mens team understands, and sticking
around to march in the closing ceremony is a great example -- they have
jobs to go to, just like the rest of the NHLers, but they know the
Olympics is more than a medal, it's an experience. The Americans seemed
to see this as just another job, that a medal was a given, and that all
they had to do was show up and stand on the podium. And when it didn't
happen (because other teams WANTED it, intead of just expecting it,
more), they acted like, well, Ugly Americans. Grr.
But I think it was simply an attitude problem involving the Olympics --
Canada saw it as a responsibility, America saw it as a toy. And when
the toy got taken away, a few held a temper tantrum. I'm not impressed.
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Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:43:21 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Canadian hockey athletes
At 3:18 AM -0800 2/21/98, Debbie Minden wrote:
> This may sound a little corny, but I think a lot of these Canadian men come
> from a different time. Most are from small towns where everyone cared
> about their growing up. If they got caught being rude or whatever by a
> neighbour they heard about it, first from the neighbour then from the
> parent.
Debbie is pretty darn right. And she explains wonderfully why Laurie
and I spend almost all of our vacation time in British Columbia, and
have for almost a decade.... It's the people.
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Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:47:21 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: Canadian hockey athletes
Debbie Minden writes:
> I
> don't see [polite, generous, helpful behavior] in the kids who come through
> our rink. I see young louts with foul mouths, whose parents are equally
> nasty.
My young son plays roller and ice hockey in the San Jose, California, area.
I'm glad to report that I haven't had the same experience with his teammates
and their parents. The kids are generally sweet and hard-working, and
most of the parents want their kids to win, but mostly want them to have
fun. When my little guy was five, just starting to play goal, and basically
clueless, an older boy spent about an hour just showing him what to do and how
to play the angles. Will, now 7, is in a 10-under roller league now, and
the referees are usually older kids. It may be that the older kids are
foul-mouthed louts, but I sometimes watch their games and I haven't noticed
much of that stuff so far.
I think that organizations vary, and a few bad parental apples can rot the
whole barrel. If there are a few pushy, nasty parents in a hockey club
and this is tolerated, then things can spiral, because (1) other parents
become inspired by the bad example and (2) parents who have higher
standards and don't like the bad influence on their kids just remove the
kids and put them in other sports.
- -- Anne Paulson
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:23:15 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: some of Team USA
Here's a quote from Thursdays Daily News regarding some of the US men.
....Pat LaFontaine and John Vanbiesbrouk defied team orders and attended the
gold medal game. With their own quarterfinal game looming the next day, Team
USA had dinner together , then was sent to their rooms to watch the women on
tv. But LaFontaine had purchased tickets ages ago, and he wasn't about to miss
history being made.
"I have little girls," said the Rangers forward, who greeted the female gold
medalists with hugs and high-fives in the tunnel after their upset. "I know
waht it means to them, what it means to hockey."
Vanbiesbrouck was so touched with the women's win he went back to his room and
wrote in his journal: "I am so very proud to be an American." Even though he
played only 46 seconds the entire tournament, Vanbiesbrouck, an ex-Ranger
goalie who now plays for Florida, was still feeling chills from the women's
game long after the men had been sent home.
"They were so passionate, so fun. It was so great to be there, watching them
play. What a thrill," he said. "The sad thing is, someday coaches are going to
say, 'Remember that '98 hockey team? No, not those millionaires who lost in
the quarters. The ones who had commitment and passion and teamwork.' That's
hard to live with."
Sooo - not all those Americans are the same, eh?
Nancy Milholland
Brooklyn Blades & Long Island Hurricanes
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:58:00 -0600
From: "Erin and Rich Malinowski"
Subject: Re: High School Hockey
Illinois has an official AHAI(Amateur Hockey Association of Illinois) sanctioned girls' high school championship game. AHAI is the same organization that sanctions boys' high school hockey in Illinois. Last year Barrington High School defeated Lake Forest Academy for the Girls' High School State Championship.
Erin Malinowski
AHAI Women's Committee
email@hidden
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From: Olson, Lynn
To: email@hidden
Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 1:38 PM
Subject: High School Hockey
>It is great to hear that other states are starting high school girls programs. I understand that the east coast has had girls high school and especially prep high school ice hockey for many years. Are any of these programs sanctioned by their State High School League? Do any of the states provide a sanctioned high school tournament at the end of the year? In talking with John Bartz of the Minnesota State High School League, he advises me that Minnesota is the only state with a sanctioned high school girls ice hockey program.
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:06:35 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: some of Team USA
<<
In a message dated 98-02-21 14:42:11 EST, you write:
<< Here's a quote from Thursdays Daily News regarding some of the US men.
....Pat LaFontaine and John Vanbiesbrouk defied team orders and attended the
gold medal game. With their own quarterfinal game looming the next day, Team
USA had dinner together , then was sent to their rooms to watch the women on
tv. But LaFontaine had purchased tickets ages ago, and he wasn't about to
miss
history being made.
"I have little girls," said the Rangers forward, who greeted the female gold
medalists with hugs and high-fives in the tunnel after their upset. "I know
waht it means to them, what it means to hockey."
>>
I always liked Pat LaFontaine - way back to when he was on the "Diaper
Line." (Was that 84, or 88?)
:-)
Jill >>
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:59:13 +0000
From: "TeePee Communications"
Subject: Re: winnign vs competition
On 21 Feb 98 at 10:15, email@hidden wrote:
> Well, you should always go for the gold & try your best - no matter what.
> But (to change a cliche, slightly) it's better to go for the gold & get
> silver, then to go for nothing & get it.
>
Yes and no, I think the original poster's point is that one should
go for gold, but even if you don't get any medals it doesn't mean
you're a loser, contrary to Nike's thinking.
Just to get to the Olympics means you're still one of the best in the
entire world.
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Tim Pacan - TeePee Communications
Women's Hockey Website:
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:29:09 -0800
From: Mimi and Julie
Subject: Roller Hockey Tournament in Sacramento
Berkley Hoagland is organizing a Women's (Open) tournament to be held
March 20-22, 1998, at American Hockey Arena in Sacramento. The entry
fee is $325.00 per team with a three game minimum.
If you would like additonal information please contact Berkley at:
(714) 968-4719 or email:email@hidden
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:39:06 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Canadian hockey athletes
Some of the US guys did go to the womens gold medal game, John Vanbiesbrouck,
and Pat LaFontaine are the only 2 I remember but a couple others were also
there. So you can't blame all of them(just 90 percent of them)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:39:35 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Girls H.S. Hockey
Simsbury H.S.(Ct.) has both J.V. and V. Girls Hockey, they have played a few
prep schools in the area and they are up to the task in competition from my
observation.
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:04:20 +0000
From: Kelly Connelly
Subject: Katie King Stats
Hi List!
I am looking for accurate stats (goals, assists, pts) for Katie King at the
Nagano Winter Olympics. CBS Sportsline web page stats say....4 goals, 4
assists...7 points...???? Something doesn't add up here. One of those
numbers is off by one?
Can anyone help.
Thanks,
Kelly
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:50:43 -0400
From: Milton & Louise Holmes
Subject: Re: Canada's Coaching
"Hunter, Bill 464-8643" wrote:
>I'm trying to remember how many players were invited to the Olympic
>selection camp. The CHA web sites lists 9 players as being cut as of
>October 2. I was suprised at the small size of the camp. With the
>money available, I'm not sure how they could have invited more players
>to get a good evaluation. That's one of the difficulties of selecting a
>team.
>
>for players and coaches. Maybe we need a number of regional selection
>camps so that players can get a fair evaluation without a lot of out of
>pocket expenses since they don't play hockey for a living. Maybe this
>discussion will provide some push to provide funding for that. Maybe
>we're all blowing smoke. Who knows. Welcome the discussion anyways,
>perhaps it will help in the long run.
>
There were regional camps last year (May, I believe, but I could be wrong).
I think there were three: Eastern Canada (mainly Quecbec), Central Canada
(mainly Ontario) and Western Canada (mainly Alberta and B.C.))
The main problem in my opinion was that they were too short (a money thing,
I guess) and that it was difficult for anyone "out of the loop" to get an
invite. Some people went to great lengths to get one.
Milton
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Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:50:43 -0400
From: Milton & Louise Holmes
Subject: Re: Random thoughts
Chuq wrote:
>Methinks women's hockey should aim for something better for itself than
>being the place women go to play, run by men who aren't good enough to
>coach in the men's programs. And that's not a slap at Ben Smith, before
>anyone jumps me. He's proven himself on that side, too. We NEED people
>like him, but we also need to help develop people like Miller so they
>can become as good as Ben Smith.
I believe that the St. Lawrence women's coach has five or so Stanley cup
rings from his years coaching with the NY Islanders....He was good enough
to coach the men and chose the women....
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Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:12:18 -0500
From: Richard Johnston
Subject: Re: Amateurs
email@hidden wrote:
> Actually I read somewhere that she was invited to tryouts, I think its in this
> magazine, let me check.....yea. In the April 1998 Hockey Digest in the article
> called "at long last" it says this:
> she quoted something..."says Granato, who once was invited to try out for
> the New York Islanders, although many believed it was more of a publicity
> stunt than a talent evaluation."
As an Islander Fan we would like to formally re-invite Cammi to a tryout. We
need a winner - tell her to bring some of her friends (the Islanders are 9 games
under 500 with ~25 games left).
Gee - wait till I tell the all the people on the Isles e-mail list that our big
scorer
is just coming back from the Olympics (without the hangover the rest have!).
Rich Johnston
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:12:33 -0500
From: Richard Johnston
Subject: Gender Misconceptions
This message is to air my disbelief in the current media's viewpoint of
who plays
or enjoys hockey. The situation:
On Friday, Feb. 20, I rented out a local rink to play a game of pickup
hockey. The
format is the girls midget team that I coach versus dads, brothers,
boy-friends,
or other. The idea is to have fun and give an opportunity for family to
play
together. We had 17 girls show up for the event.
As we got off the ice and everyone went to the locker rooms the rink
manager
told me that the local cable news station (News12 Long Island) was
coming to
the Public Skate Session to get views on the "incident" with the US
Men's
Team (i.e. them trashing their hotel rooms). He asked that I get three
boys and
three girls to be interviewed. The rest could be dressed and be filmed
as backdrop.
When the News12 cameraman (male) and interviewer (female) showed up they
spoke to a couple of adult men (myself included) and then interviewed
two boys.
They refused to talk to the girls because "they" weren't seen by the
public as
hockey fans. This caused a great disturbance with the parents of the
girls and we
argued that 15 girls in hockey dress are the biggest hockey fans she
was going to
find. Several of the girls had USA Hockey jerseys and the rest were in
their team
uniform. The "debate" got very heated and they left - none of the
material was
shown on television.
As a group we are calling the station and writing to the newspapers to
let them
know that a hockey fan is not synonymous with male and that the
unfortunate events
with the US Men's Team are less important than the Gold Medal won by the
Women. The Gold Medal has been moderately hyped on Long Island and not
nearly
as much as I've seen or heard about elsewhere.
Needless to say, I've got a group of highly motivated parents (and
girls) who will
continue to change the attitudes of our local media. I encourage readers
of this
list to test their local media's viewpoints. Women's/Girl's hockey will
never to viewed
as an equal to Men's/Boy's hockey until the gender bias is removed from
the public.
Rich Johnston
Coach and proud parent of a hockey player (who is also a wonderful girl)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 23:14:07 -0600 (CST)
From: John Edwards
Subject: Re: Random thoughts
On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Milton & Louise Holmes wrote:
> I believe that the St. Lawrence women's coach has five or so Stanley cup
> rings from his years coaching with the NY Islanders....He was good enough
> to coach the men and chose the women....
Not quite. SLU's head coach was with the Islanders as a trainer, not a
coach.
He was, in fact, SLU's head trainer until becoming coach of their women's
team.
See you later,
John
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John Edwards - email@hidden - http://www.islandnet.com/~jedwards
Chip boy, Ross Rebagliati Fan Club
The opinions expressed are mine alone, because everybody else says I'm weird.
NOTE: I reserve the right to forward any obnoxious and/or stupid mail.
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