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Women-in-Hockey Digest Saturday, February 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 153
In this issue:
olympic hockey, I guess
Re: Amateurs
Chat on AOL
Chat with Cammi
A quote
Re: olympic hockey, I guess
Re: winnign vs competition
Re: Amateurs
Re: Amateurs
Re: olympic hockey, I guess
Re: Amateurs
Canadian hockey athletes
Re: Canadian hockey athletes
Re: Canadian hockey athletes
Re: Canadian hockey athletes
Re: future, pro league, college
Re: winnign vs competition
Re: winnign vs competition
Hockey in NYC
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:26:28 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: olympic hockey, I guess
well the 3 mens teams(canada, USA, sweden) that were expected to be in
contention for the gold medal, are all out. I'm pretty surprised, but you
can't say the Canadian men didn't try. I watched some of the game, and Hasek
made some awesome saves, on some pretty good shots. After the game, they
showed Gretzky still on the bench after most of the other canadian left, he
looked like he was about to cry. But they still have a chance at Bronze.
The NHLers will be back in 2002. They shouldn't be, especially after
USA's unsportsmanship. Our highschool teams have lost 95% of the time in
basketball (girls and boys) and football, I dunno about the others. And they
don't act even close to that way.
Well thats enough for now, and good luck to Canada and the Czech Republic.
and as usual let the best team win.
Jennie
to be #29 (someday)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:39:10 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: Amateurs
> I disagree completely. The Olympics should be for amateurs. Pros already
> have their venue. Now I agree that the line between amateur and pro quite
> a bit more fuzzy today than years ago, for example if someone teaches
> skateing classes to pay for college, is that pro (I would say no in today's
> world). However, a line needs to be drawn somewhere. I truely hope the
> IOC sees the light and reverses its decisions of late to allow pro
> competition in the Olympics.
Again, I am neither for or against pros playing in the olympics. I do
my best example of a balancing act on this issue!! However, there
have been pros for a long time in the Olympic hockey event. Look at
the old USSR Red Army teams. They were members of the military, but
were really being paid to play hockey. That is all they did.
Dave
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:58:20 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Chat on AOL
For those of you that have aol, cammi granato will be online at 8pm ET today,
in the aol live chat thing, heres the link
02/20 U.S. Women's
Hockey's Cammi Granato
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:09:27 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Chat with Cammi
For those of you on AOL, Cammi Granato will be on AOL Sports Live chatting at
8:00 PM EST tonight (2/20)
Mindy =)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:31:59 +0000
From: email@hidden
Subject: A quote
>From the Boston Globe, 2/19/98, in an article titled "US Czechs Out":
"The new world order in men's hockey won't be settled until Sunday's
gold medal final, but in America, this much is clear in 1998: hockey is
strictly women's work."
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:26:23 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: olympic hockey, I guess
At 3:26 PM -0800 2/20/98, email@hidden wrote:
> The NHLers will be back in 2002. They shouldn't be, especially after
> USA's unsportsmanship.
You can bet that that the USA team members who *did* this won't be back
in 2002. It was only a couple of the players, not the entire team --
and I don't think it's fair to slam the entire team for a couple of
idiot's action.
> Our highschool teams have lost 95% of the time in
> basketball (girls and boys) and football, I dunno about the others. And they
> don't act even close to that way.
Nope. My high school basketball team set a state record for most
consecutive losses (we lost every bloody game for over two full
seasons), and while it wasn't fun, we didn't give up and act like
idiots.
But then, the ones most likely to DID give up, so they weren't around
for the victory.
A couple of people acted like jerks. Let's please not generalize that
out to the entire team, any more than we generalize to all men when one
or two are jerks, or generalize to all women when a couple act like
idiots. Let's find the idiots and kneecap them, but don't kneecap
everyone in the neighborhood to keep from missing someone...
- --
Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:28:33 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: winnign vs competition
> As far as I'm concerned, the Olympics are about the competition & striving to
> be the best. They are not necessarily about winning. People seem to have
> lost sight of that.
Some people definitely have. But then, some people never saw that in
the first place, Jill. Which is too bad, but especially here in the
States, there's a big "it's gold or your scum" attitude, starting iwth
our mass media.
But the only thing I can addd to this is: .
This is one reason why I'm really enjoying watching CBC instead of CBS
in the Olympics. CBC realizes that a Canadian who is expected to finish
12 and ends up 9th is just as much a winner as one of the top athletes
who takes the gold.....
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Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:57:21 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Re: Amateurs
Kittencat said:
>and players who were offered pro contracts and turned them down (Cammi
Granato, from two separate leagues -RHI Chicago Cougars and NHL New York
Islanders)
Hang on there. I seem to recall that Cammi had been asked to work out/train
with the Islanders. I think that's a bit of a leap from being offered a
contract. But if you have other info, let's hear it!
Phil, Victoria, BC
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:27:15 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Amateurs
Thanks for the correction...technically, she was offered a tryout, which would
have led to the usual PTO contract. It's been a long week....:)
Lisa
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:22:15 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: olympic hockey, I guess
I wasn't slamming the whole team. When the release who did it, sure I'm not
going to have any respect for them. And yea I know that USA hockey won't send
them back. But I don't think NHLers should be in the olympics, same with
NBAers. It takes away from the whole spirit of the games in a way. But if I
gave the wrong impression, Ididn't mean to, because I certainly wasn't
slamming the entire team.
Jennie
to be #29 (someday)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:30:46 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Amateurs
Actually I read somewhere that she was invited to tryouts, I think its in this
magazine, let me check.....yea. In the April 1998 Hockey Digest in the article
called "at long last" it says this:
she quoted something..."says Granato, who once was invited to try out for
the New York Islanders, although many believed it was more of a publicity
stunt than a talent evaluation."
Jennie
to be #29 (someday)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:29:20, -0500
From: email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
Subject: Canadian hockey athletes
Well, apparently the Canadian men's team were not just gracious to
the Canadian women's team because they share not only the same sport
but the same country. According to Scott Hamilton during tonight's
figure skating broadcast, one day during the Olympics Tara Lipinski
was seen eating by herself in the Olympic athlete's cafeteria. What
was referred to as "the Canadian men's hockey team" (who that entails,
I don't know, or how many people, but it's the principle of the
thing) pulled up chairs and ate lunch with her.
I guess that tells us something about the Canadian men's hockey team.
Not just spreading good will to women's hockey, but to little
American girls who are about half as old as most of them are.
What have I drawn from this? It isn't some huge extrapolation: the
Canadian men are not only better supporters of their country and
better hockey players, but also better people.
And this coming from a 100% American girl. Go figure.
- -Carolyn #21
NJ Selects
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 02:05:34 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Canadian hockey athletes
In a message dated 98-02-21 01:44:24 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< What have I drawn from this? It isn't some huge extrapolation: the
Canadian men are not only better supporters of their country and
better hockey players, but also better people.
And this coming from a 100% American girl. Go figure.
>>
I'm an American also, but luckily for me, all my hockey training has come from
Canadian men and they have been wonderful. It's just my experience, but they
seem to be very down to earth and have a pretty good set of values. And all
the Canadian men who have taught me have been pros, spending a little time in
the big league , but most had good careers in the minor league (IHL) and they
always had time for me. I'm not saying you don't find these qualities in
American men, I can only speak for the Canadian pro players that I know
personally.
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:20:34 -0800
From: Eddie Ragasa
Subject: Re: Canadian hockey athletes
I can understand what you are saying. Just look at the Canadain men's team
at the Olympics. They came out to support their women's team. Were was
the U.S. men's team? It's like they did not care at all. But then again,
it's true, the U.S. men's team did not even care for themselves. So to me,
overall the Canadains (mens) are more wonderful, down to earth and do have
a pretty good set of values.
Eddie
>I'm an American also, but luckily for me, all my hockey training has come
from
>Canadian men and they have been wonderful. It's just my experience, but they
>seem to be very down to earth and have a pretty good set of values. And all
>the Canadian men who have taught me have been pros, spending a little time in
>the big league , but most had good careers in the minor league (IHL) and they
>always had time for me. I'm not saying you don't find these qualities in
>American men, I can only speak for the Canadian pro players that I know
>personally.
>
>Jackie
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:18:29 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: Canadian hockey athletes
This may sound a little corny, but I think a lot of these Canadian men come
from a different time. Most are from small towns where everyone cared
about their growing up. If they got caught being rude or whatever by a
neighbour they heard about it, first from the neighbour then from the
parent. (I certainly had a report sent home to my mom if I was acting up!)
There were no excuses for poor behaviour or public stupidity beyond the
usual stuff (although drinking and driving and going up in flames is a time
honoured hockey pasttime.) A friend tells of Eric Lindros helping her kid
down the stairs when he was in full uniform and tripping over himself. He
didn't even say hello first, just pitched in so the kid didn't fall. I
don't see this in the kids who come through our rink. I see young louts
with foul mouths, whose parents are equally nasty. As Hilary Clinton says,
it takes a village. Maybe they are nice guys because everyone looked out
for them. Maybe we have to help the kids coming up be like them by taking
the dollar signs out of their eyes and expecting decent behaviour. The fun
is the skating, the game, and the the friends, not just bashing some other
kid into the boards, or throwing a punch. First off, really let the few
jerks who trashed their rooms in Nagano have appropriate swift punishment
and make an example so that the kids who are playing youth hockey now don't
think its okay to be like them.
Debbie
originally from Hamilton, Ontario
>What have I drawn from this? It isn't some huge extrapolation: the
>Canadian men are not only better supporters of their country and
>better hockey players, but also better people.
>And this coming from a 100% American girl. Go figure.
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:05:59 -0500
From: "Hornet"
Subject: Re: future, pro league, college
>> Has anybody made the transition from roller to ice?
If you add street and floor then I currently am by playing drop-in hockey
and will join a team when the season starts in spring. (Hopefully)
Hornet
email@hidden
http://www.angelfire.com/hi/hornetsnest/
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:32:44 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: winnign vs competition
> As far as I'm concerned, the Olympics are about the competition & striving
to
> be the best. They are not necessarily about winning. People seem to have
> lost sight of that.
>Some people definitely have. But then, some people never saw that in
>the first place, Jill. Which is too bad, but especially here in the
>States, there's a big "it's gold or your scum" attitude, starting iwth
>our mass media.
Wasn't it Nike's ad during the 1996 summer Olympics - "Winning silver is
losing gold" - or something like that? There was that one and the guy
barfing. Advertisers mold our culture and we continue to buy into it.
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:15:06 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: winnign vs competition
In a message dated 98-02-21 09:50:23 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
Wasn't it Nike's ad during the 1996 summer Olympics - "Winning silver is
losing gold" - or something like that? There was that one and the guy
barfing. Advertisers mold our culture and we continue to buy into it.
>>
Well, you should always go for the gold & try your best - no matter what.
But (to change a cliche, slightly) it's better to go for the gold & get
silver, then to go for nothing & get it.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:36:48 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Hockey in NYC
If anyone wants to check out women;s hockey in NYC, now is your chance!!
NYC's 2 best (and only 2) womens hockey teams are battling it out.
The BROOKLYN BLADES take on the CHELSEA COMETS tonight at Sky Rink @ Chelsea
Piers. (23rd Street & West Side Highgway.) 11 pm. FREE ADMISSION.
This should be a good game, as there is quite a bit of "friendly rivalry"
going on here. Not quite as intense as US-Canada or Islanders-Rangers, but
pretty darn close. ;-)
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
p.s. The Blades website has moved:
http://www.brooklynblades.org
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