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Women-in-Hockey Digest Friday, February 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 152
In this issue:
Re: Amateurs
High School Hockey
Brampton Ontario in April
Re: Male/ Female Coaches
chat w/ Tricia Dunn
Re: Amateurs at the Olympics
Re: Amateurs at the Olympics
Canadian Women's University Hockey - Regional Results
Re: Erin Whitten
Re: American/Canadian men
Olympic Souvenirs- Bauer Women's Hockey T-shirts & Hats
Amateurs
Women's Hockey Collectibles
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:25:43 -0500
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Amateurs
>>>The Olympics are, as they always ought to have been, about having the
best in
>>>the world compete. Not about having people with slimmer bank accounts,
or
>>>younger ones, or college age ones. If you want to see youngsters
compete, the
>>>World Junior Championships serve quite well ... at which, if I recall,
the
>>>putatively young and hungry Canadian team had their heads handed to them
by
>>>Kazakhstan. It doesn't seem as if pros have a monopoly on tanking.
I disagree completely. The Olympics should be for amateurs. Pros already
have their venue. Now I agree that the line between amateur and pro quite
a bit more fuzzy today than years ago, for example if someone teaches
skateing classes to pay for college, is that pro (I would say no in today's
world). However, a line needs to be drawn somewhere. I truely hope the
IOC sees the light and reverses its decisions of late to allow pro
competition in the Olympics.
Wendy
FLASH Hockey - #21
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Date: 20 Feb 1998 13:10:23 U
From: "Olson, Lynn"
Subject: High School Hockey
It is great to hear that other states are starting high school girls programs. I understand that the east coast has had girls high school and especially prep high school ice hockey for many years. Are any of these programs sanctioned by their State High School League? Do any of the states provide a sanctioned high school tournament at the end of the year? In talking with John Bartz of the Minnesota State High School League, he advises me that Minnesota is the only state with a sanctioned high school girls ice hockey program. The MSHSL also hosts an eight team state tournament, which is taking place as I write (February 19-21) at the Coliseum Ice Arena on the Fairgrounds in St. Paul, Minnesota. The attendance at last nights session (2 games back to back, there were also 2 games back to back during the afternoon) was almost 4,400 people, with a tournament-record crowd of 6,499 for both the afternoon and evenings sessions. The arena holds 5,500 and it was a magnificent sight to see that many people watching a high school girls hockey game. The schools bring their pep bands to play music, they also bring their cheerleaders who are introduced and are given ice time to perform, and the championship game will be telecast live on KSTP Channel 9 on Saturday evening for the first time this year. This station reaches into North and South Dakota and Wisconsin as well as Minnesota. This will be the fourth year that Minnesota has had a state tournament. They outgrew a 3,500 seat arena two years ago when fans were turned away from the championship game. Last year over 14,000 people attended the three day event. It appears that we will break that record this year. We have 83 high school varisty teams this year and the MSHSL advised at the pre-tournament banquet (all eight teams are invited the evening before the games to a pasta dinner where they are individually introduced) that they expect that number to go over 90 next year and well over 100 within 2-3 years. The game was excellent, with Roseville High School b
School 6-4. There was an open net goal in the last minute of the game. Minnesota also selects a female as Ms. Hockey each year for the past three years. Winny Brodt (UNH) from Roseville was the first Ms. Hockey in 1996, Annemarie Holmes from Apple Valley was the winner last year. This year's Ms. Hockey will be announced on February 22, 1998, at the Ms. Hockey banquet held at the Prom Expo in St. Paul at 12:30 p.m. The girls from all high school teams selected to the All State Team and All Academic Team will be announced on the same day at the banquet. It is wonderful to have these special events for the girls in Minnesota who play ice hockey.
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:16:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "Cindi Ellen O'Connor"
Subject: Brampton Ontario in April
My daughter's team will be at the brampton tournament. Are any other list
members going to be there? It might be fun to gather at some point. Any
interest?
Cindi Ellen O'Connor
Concord, NH
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:25:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Susan Gottfried
Subject: Re: Male/ Female Coaches
Don (and gang):
I got involved in coaching 4 or 5 years ago at the request of a friend,
who was expecting to have a bunch of little girls on his team -- he was
coaching mites and thought it would be inappropriate for him to help them
dress and didn't want all the girls to go to my cousin, herself a coach.
I loved it immediately, and I'll admit that I'm a much better coach than
player (so much so that I was a useful coach to my husband's at-work
basketball league even though my knowledge of basketball is run up and
down the court and shoot).
When I left the Bowling Green (Ohio) system, I got involved here in
Pittsburgh. First with an established, successful amateur girl's team,
then last year as the assistant at Chatham College.
One of the problems I had as a coach with those past two teams was TIME.
The teams practiced at odd times (especially for this freelancer who
works out of her house -- collegiate practices at 3 PM cut into my work
severely), travel was expensive and ate up my weekends with the amateur
team, and I never saw my husband during the collegiate season unless he
came along with me.
So I put coaching on hold this year and you'd better believe I miss it!
I'd like to return once I get a book deal and don't have to take so much
freelancing to make my car payments, but it's difficult.
Despite the fact that I'm known at my local rink for coaching last year,
they still look at me oddly when I say I'd like to get involved with the
amateur teams who play out of that rink. I can see them thinking, "What
stake do you have? Do you have the commitment? As a woman, how can you be
any good."
Well, I am good. And I will return to coaching. Hopefully, it will be
before I have a miniature Rasputin or Anastasia on my team, too.
Just seems to me that no matter my resume (how many ex-collegiate coaches
want to get involved with MITES again?), the fact that I'm a woman -- and
a short one, at that -- has more to do with why I'm not returning to the
bench so quick.
Hope others of you have better stories.
Susan
Susan Helene Gottfried, MFA
Author, the Erroll Weiss Hockey Girl novels
(ask for author's representation and publication status)
Freelance copy editor and fiction book editor
on sabbatical from coaching until the books hit the shelves
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:26:41 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: chat w/ Tricia Dunn
I found that Tricia Dunn is going to chat about the olympics and so forth at
6p.m ET today 2/20 @ http://chat1.starwave.com/chat/chat.dll?room=szdunn-TO so
if anyone is interested.
~Liz #14KU
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:52:54 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: Amateurs at the Olympics
The Olympics began as a religious ceremony comeorating a dead compatriot.
In modern times, they are about amateurs competing. Up until recently,
professionals have not been allowed. I hope the IOC sees the light and
removes the pros next time around. As for the US not winning at hockey
since 1980, well ain't that just a shame. Not everyone boards the plane
with the hope for gold. Some are there to do their best and to part of a
chain of athletes connecting the past with the future. There are things
more important than the big bucks and gold. Jim Thorpe was relieved of his
gold because he made $60 playing professional baseball. Wonder what he
would have thought of guys making more money than he ever dreamed of
blowing it because they weren't hungry enough to try?
Debbie
>>The Olympics are, as they always ought to have been, about having the
>best in the world compete. Not about having people with slimmer bank
>accounts, or younger ones, or college age ones. If you want to see
>youngsters compete, the World Junior Championships serve quite well ...
>at which, if I recall, the putatively young and hungry Canadian team had
>their heads handed to them by Kazakhstan. It doesn't seem as if pros
>have a monopoly on tanking.
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:18:39 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Amateurs at the Olympics
<< I thought that the Olympics was also about having amateurs compete, but
maybe that was a new rule established in the 20th century? >>
Pretty much, actually. The modern Olympics were founded by European
aristocrats who bought in to the athletic mores of the time: amateurism,
represented by the leisure classes, was virtuous and manly, while
professionalism, as represented by everyone else who DIDN'T have the money to
achieve excellence in a sport for free, was somehow uncouth. This being
perfectly in character, as the upper crust DID consider the working classes
uncouth, and were quite happy to toss up artificial barriers against the hoi
polloi polluting THEIR sacred playing fields. Since the leisure class
controlled the facilities, the teams, the colleges and donated the silverware,
they got to call the shots.
Well ... these days, it's damnably tough to compete UNLESS you have the money
to do so. How many times do you hear about this Olympian or that in the
non-$$$ sports having his or her parents take out second mortgages to afford
training costs? How many people defer dreams to do so, in the (usually) vain
hope of medalling?
And what's wrong with making your living at a sport? There are those of us
who feel that a women's pro hockey league at this point in time is destined to
fail, but I would like to think there isn't a single subsciber to this list
who feels that the elite female hockey players ought to have their pure
amateur hearts sullied by the degradation of actually earning a living doing
something they love.
~ Bevan
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:25:22 -0500
From: Andria Hunter
Subject: Canadian Women's University Hockey - Regional Results
There is more detailed information available about
this on my women's hockey CIAU web page at:
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andria/univ/ciau.html
Canada West Championship (CWUAA)
1. Alberta
2. Manitoba
3. Calgary
4. Saskatchewan
5. UBC
6. Lethbridge
Gold medal game: Alberta 4, Manitoba 3 [OT]
Bronze medal game: UNB 5, St. Francis Xavier 1
5th place game: UBC 8, Lethbridge 1
* Alberta qualifies for CIAU National Championship as CWUAA Champion
Ontario Championship (OUA)
1. University of Guelph
2. University of Toronto
3. Wilfrid Laurier University
4. York University
Gold medal game: Guelph 3, Toronto 2 [2OT]
Bronze medal game: Laurier 2, York 1
* Guelph qualifies for CIAU National Championship as OUA Champion
* Toronto qualifies for CIAU National Championship as OUA 2nd Place
Quebec Championship (QSSF)
1. Concordia
2. UQTR
3. McGill
Best 2 of 3: UQTR 1, Concordia 10; UQTR 3, Concordia 6
* Concordia qualifies for CIAU National Championship as QSSF Champion
* UQTR qualifies for CIAU National Championship as QSSF host team
Atlantic Championship (AUAA)
1. Saint Mary's
2. Acadia
3. UNB
4. St. Francis Xavier
5. Dalhousie
Gold medal game: Saint Mary's 2, Acadia 1 [2OT]
Bronze medal game: UNB 5, St. Francis Xavier 1
* St Mary's qualifies for CIAU National Championship as AUAA Champion
Canadian National Championship (CIAU)
The following teams have qualified to attend the first-ever Canadian
National Women's University Hockey Championship (CIAU). The CIAU
Championship will be hosted by Concordia University in Montreal from
February 26 to March 1st 1998.
Pool A:
University of Guelph (OUA Champion)
University of Trois Rivieres (QSSF Host)
Saint Mary's University (AUAA Champion)
Pool B:
University of Alberta (CWUAA Champion)
University of Toronto (OUA 2nd place)
Concordia University (QSSF Champion)
CIAU Schedule
Feb 26: Guelph vs UQTR -- Pool A
Concordia vs Toronto -- Pool B
Feb 27: UQTR vs Saint Mary's -- Pool A
Toronto vs Alberta -- Pool B
Guelph vs Saint Mary's -- Pool A
Concordia vs Alberta -- Pool B
Feb 28: #2 Pool A vs #1 Pool B Semi-Final #1
#1 Pool A vs #2 Pool B Semi-Final #2
3rd Place Pool A vs 3rd Place Pool B (5th place)
Mar 1: Loser SF #1 vs Loser SF #2 (Bronze Medal)
Winner SF #1 vs Winner SF #2 (Gold Medal)
Best of luck to all teams involved!!
Andria Hunter
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:31:59 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Erin Whitten
In a message dated 98-02-19 03:49:49 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< Has anyone heard anything from Erin Whitten? >>
I did, she was on a local Detroit PBS station talking about how well the US
team had done and I think about the the Pro_Women's league. They had Rinks
already ready to rent and the plans were just starting out.....Or somthing to
that effect.
This was a few days ago i may not be correct with all my information.
_Jess
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:59:32 -0400
From: Aaron Albert
Subject: Re: American/Canadian men
>In a message dated 98-02-20 11:45:53 EST, email@hidden writes:
>
><< , I think it is unfair to the Canadian
> Men's Olympic Team to refer to the professionals as "swelled-head". >>
>
>
>oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh- no no no no no!! You got me all wrong here. I was
>referring to the AMERICAN men with the swelled heads. Not the Canadians.
I'm Canadian. And if there's one thing in hockey that I dislike it's the
Americans. (women or men - it's just the natural rivalry we have with
them.) However, it's not fair to put this "swelled-head" stereotype on the
American men (or any group of players for that matter.) A day or two ago, I
heard on the Fan 590 (an all sports radio station here in Toronto) that
coach Ron Wilson called a team meeting during the time the women's gold
medal game was going on. The players were angry. Apparently, in the
meeting, the Americans saw on the TV in the room that the Canadian men were
at the game. Some of the American men got up and left the meeting to go to
the game. Bottom line is that it's not fair to automatically assume they're
all pricks when you don't know what the rest of the story is.
>This is EXACTLY what I was talking about in one of my (many) other posts.
>There is no reason why the USA men should not have been cheering on the women
>- ESPECIALLY in the gold medal game!!
See above.
- -Aaron
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:39:24 -0500
From: Karin Lofstrom
Subject: Olympic Souvenirs- Bauer Women's Hockey T-shirts & Hats
Any one interested in Bauer Women's Hockey T-shirts and hats check-out the
KL Sports website at www.trytel.com/~klsport or email me at email@hidden
Also we have Canadian Team Posters and photos of both the Women's and Men's
Olympic Teams.
We also have Bauer Bandanas and Olympic Pins.
Great souvenirs from Nagano.
Karin Lofstrom
KL Sports
"sport source for women"
2746 Farriers Lane
Gloucester, Ontario
Canada K1T 1X8
fax: (613)739-3316
email: email@hidden
web: www.trytel.com/~klsport
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:53:19 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Amateurs
First, the *ancient* Olympics allowed professionals, and gave large cash
prizes to winning athletes. The "sacred amateur" is a Victorian convention
designed to prevent uncouth professionals from sullying the alleged
gentlemanly purity of unpaid sport.
Second, the Olympics have allowed professionals to compete in virtually every
sport for most of the last two decades. This argument was settled by the
Lords of the Rings as soon as Avery Brundage and his poisonous influence were
dead. Even figure skating, with its hypocritical emphasis on "amateurism,"
allows professionals to reinstate for Olympic competition (or, why Gordeeva
and Grinkov won that second gold four years ago). The only reason why there
weren't professional female hockey players at Nagano is because there aren't
any female pro hockey leagues in operation.
Third, several members of both Team Canada *and* Team USA are involved in
efforts to start pro leagues in their respective countries. Under the old
rules, the mere effort to start a league would have negated their amateur
status, which would have left both countries pretty thin. Or are they still
pure if they haven't cashed a check yet?
Finally, you're all forgetting that one member of Team Canada already IS a
professional hockey player: Manon Rheaume, who had the #1 goalie position
waiting for her in Reno if she hadn't made the national team. Add in players
who were cut (Danielle Dube and Erin Whitten), and players who were offered
pro contracts and turned them down (Cammi Granato, from two separate leagues -
RHI Chicago Cougars and NHL New York Islanders), and suddenly this notion of
wholesome amateurs doing it purely for the love of their sport falls apart.
Amateurism was a pretty myth that bankrupted a lot of families, kept the best
athletes in their sports from competing, and broke Jim Thorpe's spirit. I for
one am glad it's gone from the Olympics.
Lisa Evans
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:00:36 -0800
From: Alan Chim
Subject: Women's Hockey Collectibles
Now that the Olympics are almost over, I'm trying to keep track of all the
plethora of women's hockey collectibles that have been released lately.
Here is a list of what I have. If you see something major that I've
missed, please let me know. Thanks!
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Hockey Cards
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1994 Classic Women in Hockey Set (Team USA/Team Canada)
check out http://home.onestop.net/hockey/classic.html for more info/scans
1997/98 Upper Deck
check out http://home.onestop.net/hockey/index.html for more info/scans
1997/98 Esso Olympic Hockey Heroes Cards
check out http://home.onestop.net/hockey/esso.html for more info/scans
1998 Cheerios Olympic Holograms -- Set of 8 -- Mixed Sports -- Includes
Cassie Campbell, Vicki Sunohara, Geraldine Heaney, and Nancy Drolet.
Various Classic Cammi Granato, Manon Rheaume, and Erin Whitten cards. Also
many "oddball" Manon Rheaume cards.
Posters
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General Mills -- Canadian Women's Hockey Team Poster (Apple Cinnamon
Cheerios Olympic Box -- Poster Offer)
Cereal Boxes -- Scans Available Soon at
http://home.onestop.net/hockey/cereal.html
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Shanahan/Cassie Campbell -- Wheaties Maple Frosted Series 1C 600 g box with
embroidered Canada '98 Hockey Logo Patch.
Shanahan/Cassie Campbell -- Wheaties Maple Frosted Series 2C 600 g box (no
patch)
Team Canada Celebrating -- Wheaties Maple Frosted series 1C Jumbo box
Geraldine Heaney -- 850 g Golden Grahams Box
Geraldine Heaney -- 575 g Apple Cinammon Cheerios Box
Nancy Drolet -- 400 g Reese Peanut Butter Puffs
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