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Women-in-Hockey Digest Friday, February 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 150
In this issue:
Re: gender differences
Team USA Statistics
Re: Male/ Female Coaches
Olympic coverage and Cammi Granato jersey
Re:
Re: The number and percentage of female athletes/teams has been growi ng...
Re: Male/ Female Coaches
Re: Female Coaches
women's hockey shirts
Give Hockey a Try
Re: Male/ Female Coaches
Re: Male/ Female Coaches
Re: latest posts
Re: Medal Question
Amateurs
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:35:15 -0800
From: Tammie Weigl
Subject: Re: gender differences
About Lisa's comments:
I agree with your perspective on this. I think we need to concentrate
on getting the best coaches and just get teams, period for the women and
girls who want to play hockey.
I have spent the better part of my adult life persuing both in school
and my profession, areas typically not populated by women. I think
what kept me focused, despite inherant prejudices out there, was that
there was always someone to mentor and support my goals. And those
mentors were both women and men. ( And thank god I am now married to a
person who is very supportive of my interest in playing hockey in my
mid-30s).
The Olympics made me realise how far we have come since the dark ages
of pre-Title IX. But listening to some of the younger individuals who
post to this list, I makes me sad to realise how far we have to
go..Maybe by the time my 4 year old hits high school, she'll be able to
play hockey with no struggle whatsoever.
Tammie
Tammie
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:42:08 +0000
From: Kelly Connelly
Subject: Team USA Statistics
I've tried different web sites but have not been able to find Team USA
Women's Team Stats for Nagano.
That is....G A Pts Pims
Can someone email the Team's Final Player Stats.
Thanks Kelly
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:50:23 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: Male/ Female Coaches
My kids play hockey but my sport was baseball. I spent some time coaching,
but found it really a thankless task. It was not the parents or kids.
They were all lovely, fun, and cooperative. The reason I no longer coach
has to do with the structure of the athletic association. It was murder
getting anything. We got the worst fields, poorest equipement, frequently
did not have umpires assigned to our games. One year, because our numbers
were dropping (girls were going to other leagues or just dropping out) they
were going to take what little we had, upgrade it and give it to the boys.
When my kids said they didn't want to play this year, I didn't push. From
what I have seen at our rink, there is some of this garbage as well. I had
to fight to get the girls team included in our tournament. Our scheduling
is done separately because the boys are in a league with no girls teams.
By the time we get to schedule, all the good spots are gone, and we are
left with little. It is hard enough having a job, kids, and a home. How
many women need to fight with the jerks at the rink on top of that? My
guess is that the bigger the stakes the bigger the problems, so any woman
who coaches at the higher levels has just so much more to deal with.
Debbie
> l am interested in hearing how others feel about this and why don't more
>females want to get involved with coaching after their playing days are over?
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:00:34 -0600
From: "Gene Lohr"
Subject: Olympic coverage and Cammi Granato jersey
Here are my thoughts on the coverage of the Gold Medal game and information
on Cammi Granato jerseys.
First off I was lucky enough to be home on Tuesday morning, although I had
that stomach flu that has hit really hard in our town.
The CBS coverage was horrible, although they did cover the game. Unlike
curling, we had a man from a little town called Nekoosa that was on the
team and it wasn't even on the news. I thought they were broadcasting a
hockey game, not local weather, local news, national news, national
weather, Nagano weather, and other Olympic coverage.
The TNT coverage (in the afternoon) was better. Although they cut out most
of the game they weren't even going to show it. I have 6 hours of junk
with about 45 min of the gold medal game, thanks to CBS for not accurately
stating when it would be on. And good coverage from TNT because I was able
to edit out the commercials (live taping).
Cammi Granato jersey: You can find plain USA jerseys at most major sporting
good stores (i.e.. Champs). In our town there is a guy who has a licensee
to put names and numbers on jerseys (about $20-$35). In the American
Hockey magazine there was information on the jerseys, crested and
uncrested. The jerseys in the magazine were the authentic ones (with gray
mesh under the arms) and the replicas (those without). My jersey is an
uncrested jersey. It came from Champs sports in Appleton, WI. My dad said
the difference in price between the uncrested and the crested jerseys was
$60. I chose the uncrested jersey because I can pay a person to legally
put the name and number on the back and it will only cost $20. This way I
can get any of the players. (Karyn Bye is my personal favorite because she
is from River Falls, WI)
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:08:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Rhonda Paprocki
Subject: Re:
At 05:43 PM 2/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm a high school hockey broadcaster (boys and girls) in Minnesota.
>As far as I know, Minnesota is the only state in the U.S. with girls
>high school hockey. Let me know how I can help.
>
>Kevin Norling
Just for the record, Michigan does have girl's high school hockey. I
believe we have ~6 teams this year with a couple to be added next year.
Now, this is nowhere near the level of most of the girls midget teams,
but it is available.
Rhonda
Team Michigan ThunderBlades
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Rhonda Paprocki
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"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:32:41 +0000
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
Subject: Re: The number and percentage of female athletes/teams has been growi ng...
Ashmun, Julia D wrote:
>
> FYI on the Coaching subject:
>
> While the number and percentage of female athletes/teams has been
> growing since the passing of Title IX (gender equity legislation in the
> US) -
> the percentage of female coaches has fallen.
> Some attribute this to Athletic Directors (AD) using the 'buddy' system
> when hiring for the newly created paid positions.
>
After reading the comments of Coaches Harris and Collins. I decided not
to write. I thought what they wrote was well said and to the point.
Qualification is what counts. I didn't think I could add anything
positive, and the negatives have been flying aplenty of late.
But, your post brings out the other side. Good 'ole boy appointments
and other such things are a part of coaching selection. This has been
part of Youth Hockey for ages and is likely to be that way for a while
with women too.
Too a point, at least with kids, we bring it on ourselves. We accept
former players from the MonkeyHut Rink Rats, XYZ University, and the
Washington Buffalos; with out ever considering whether or not they can
work with kids or provide development.
What comes now that Women's Hockey is becoming more accepted? The
same. And of course, we get to add gender arguments to the picture as
well. Hopefully, only for a while.
I personally believe one of the biggest strides to be taken will be when
quality women coaches start coaching men! And I might add, based solely
on ability. Not gender, or teams played for, friends made, etc...
Lyle
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:03:34 +0000
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
Subject: Re: Male/ Female Coaches
Don Howell wrote:
> l have continually tried to get graduating females to take an
> assistant position on various teams l've been involved with. l think it
> would be great to see some of the quality females l have seen come through
> the ranks come back and help. Unfortunately l have not been successful to
> this point. Potential candidates have been unable or unwilling to commit
> the time and energy required. This has concerned me and l don't have an
> answer.
> l am interested in hearing how others feel about this and why don't more
> females want to get involved with coaching after their playing days are over?
>
> Don Howell
> Team California
Concerned? Why? Think about it. After the Refs, who takes the most
criticism in hockey? Coaches.
Feel like devoting a serious amount of time and energy to kids? Want to
take heat for the choices you make on behalf of a team that has from
five to forty additional armchair coaches? All with different plans for
THEIR favorite player?
Speaking of Refs, ever wonder why we have such a hard time attracting
and retaining them? Could it have to do with the 10 to 80 armchair
ref/coaches that show up at all of the games? Is twenty five bucks
split with your partner worth it?
Now... Consider... You mentioned players that have come up through the
ranks. They've been seeing this stuff for years. And, they had to deal
with the added stigma of being female. It is also likely that they had
male coaches that got a rougher time for their choices than the coaches
of male teams. Key amongst those choices might even be the very
decision to support and coach girls.
Would you take the job under those pretenses? I know, you already said
you have. You must really love the game. I know I do.
That is half the answer. Find someone that loves the game. That person
should also be willing to put up with an incredible amount of BS, have
perseverance, have a kind smile, both speak soft words and shout
encouragement, and give firm direction. Provide development and enough
ideas to open the mind, and you will have the startings of a quality
coach.
This will change in time. For most things that need fixing in Women's
hockey, growth is the answer.
BTW, how do you do at attracting and retaining goalies? They seem to
fall in line right after coaches.
Lyle
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:29:12 -0600
From: widget
Subject: Re: Female Coaches
> > If you take that one step further, who better to understand the
> > philosophy, the thought processes, the reactions to situations than your
> > own gender...be it male or female?
I have to say that we have a male coach and I can't immagine anyone better
suited for our team. Most of the team is very agressive personally and
professionally; it is probably accurate to call us high-strung. Our coach
strikes a great balance for us. He has perfected the art of appearing to
listen to women without really getting *involved* in what you are saying. He
keeps the game light and fun, which is what we really want and need from our
program. It is very beneficial for us to have a coach who is different from
us and can provide banace and perspective.
Lea
#2-Houston Harpies
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"Sometimes you have to look reality in the eye
and deny it." --- Garrison Keillor
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:51:47 -0800
From: "A,Chernin"
Subject: women's hockey shirts
If there is anyone out there looking for original women's ice hockey
t-shirts, check out:
http://www.tropicalpenguin.com/hockey.html
or email: email@hidden
Congrats Team USA!
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:58:34 -0600
From: "James D. Lorino"
Subject: Give Hockey a Try
I've noted several times people mentioning organizations sponsoring "Give
Hockey a Try" nights. My question is - how do you handle insurance??? I'm
the girls level director and have always thought this a good promo, but the
liability issue always gets in the way.
Secondly, how do I receive the list in a NON-digest format (ie; one message
at a time)??
Jim Lorino
email@hidden
Brookfield, WI USA
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James D. Lorino
email@hidden
Brookfield, WI USA
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:25:15 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Male/ Female Coaches
In a message dated 98-02-19 18:42:12 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< l know there are many good female coaches out there but there still
needs to be more new females willing to get involved at lower levels and
begin the long climb that so many of us have made.
They need to be chosen not because they are male or female but because
they are the best one for the job.
l am interested in hearing how others feel about this and why don't more
females want to get involved with coaching after their playing days are over?
Don Howell
Team California
>>
Don,
I am one of those females and at least for right now, I have chosen to stay at
the lower levels. I watch so many coaches, not want to deal with the very
young players in the Mite age, so I take them because I know I'm good and I
think it is every bit as important for the Mites to have good Coaches as it is
for the older kids. My "kids" earned their right to play the championship
final game at the "Crown" (formerly the Coliseum) here in Cincinnati tonight
by winning their semifinal game. I took all the kids that the other Coaches
didn't pick and we wound up with a 16-1-2 season. Had 8 shutouts and the most
goals for of any other team in the entire division. I have 13 boys and 2
girls (1 is the Goalie) on the team, they were the only 2 girls to play in the
mite age group, unfortunately.
I wish more coaches, male or female that are good would consider sacrificing
some of the glory to work with these little ones. When my "kids" decide to
play hockey again next year, I know I've been successful. My number one goal
is to instill in them a love for this game that lasts a lifetime, that to me
is success.
Being the only Head female coach in the league has been a little rough at
times, dealing with other Coaches, first time hockey parents, etc., but I just
tell myself that I'm doing this for the Kids and I'm the best for the job so
that is reason ENOUGH for me to be out there.
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:59:24 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Male/ Female Coaches
In a message dated 98-02-19 22:39:50 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< Feel like devoting a serious amount of time and energy to kids? Want to
take heat for the choices you make on behalf of a team that has from
five to forty additional armchair coaches? All with different plans for
THEIR favorite player? >>
This is the hardest part! When you have to step back and seperate your
feelings for your players from the feelings you might have for their parents.
I've even had some of my favorite players have to have the most AGGRAVATING
parents, but I couldn't hold it against the kids, they had no choice in who
they got for parents.
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:36:08 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: latest posts
In a message dated 98-02-19 13:54:50 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
At the breakfast table, my husband and I were discussing the defeat of
the US men's team. To quote my husband--"Maybe they should have gone to
the women's games and learned how to win at Olympic Hockey, instead of
hanging out at karaoke bars till 5am.." :)
Tammie
>>
And if we had sent amateurs, rather than overpaid, swelled-head-professionals,
perhaps they 1) would have finsihed better and 2) been there to support the
women in their quest for the gold.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:36:13 -0800
From: email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
Subject: Re: Medal Question
Ken:
I am pretty sure that only the players get medals. This is why Nikolai
Khabibulin boycotted the recent Olympics. As the 3rd goalie for the
Russians at the last Olympics he was entitled to a medal, but Viktor
Tikhonov the head coach kept it for himself instead because he wasn't
entitled to one for himself.
I think that it is a travesty that the coaches don't get medals.
Liam
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:45:23 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Amateurs
If we had sent amateurs, they wouldn't have made it past the preliminary
round. ALL the teams this year had professionals from national leagues and
clubs. The amateurs would have done about as well as they did the last time
we sent amateurs - out of the medals.
I also haven't noticed that Canada, Finland, Russia or the Czech Republic have
done so badly with *their* professionals...and like the USA, Canada sent a
team made up entirely of NHLers, and they are in the bronze medal game Finland
instead of trashing their rooms.
The Americans went in expecting to win, didn't play like a team, and got
knocked out early. Maybe they should have taken the tournament seriously.
But that doesn't have a thing to do with their being professionals.
Lisa Evans
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