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Women-in-Hockey Digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 146
In this issue:
future, pro league, college
RE: scouting for US team / jr. nat. team
Re: Planning for future growth in Women's Hockey
Re: Girls' High School Hockey
Re: Some USA/Canada thoughts.....
Re: future, pro league, college
Re: cbs coverage, and womens hockey in general
Random thoughts
The Top Ten
Re: More aftermath
How to stretch out calf/achilles tendon?
Re: Girls' High School Hockey
Re: Random thoughts
Re: Some USA/Canada thoughts.....
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:33:24 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: future, pro league, college
Once again, I have some questions. Yea I know, I've been asking A LOT of
questions lately, but its that time of year when the counslers go on their
future speechs and what you're going to do with your life. Plus this is pretty
much my only resource for stuff like this.
Since I only play roller hockey, and for only 2 years now, are there many
opportunities for me to play after high school? Probably not in roller, but
what about ice, even though I have no experience in ice hockey what so ever.
There are club teams that don't require a lot of experience, aren't there?
Has anybody made the transition from roller to ice? I know that skating
and stopping are the major differences, but does it take very long to get
those skills down?
Does coaching help you play? I'm still thinking about coaching(or
assistant coaching, depends on if theres an age limit or anything) one of the
4th-5th grade teams, not this spring but maybe this fall. Does it help your
game any?
I'd really like to go somewhere with hockey, after 10 years of being asked
what do you want to be when you grow up, I've finally found something that I
could stand. Office work is not me, just sitting in a computer class for 90
minutes makes my eyes hurt. Hockey just seems right, I find something I like,
so why not? Too bad I don't have as many opportunities here. My friends all
have the opportunities, at school we have journalism and writing classes,
video production classes. And then theres other opportunities just in the
area. Sure theres the 6 week roller hockey program and maybe this summer I'll
get to play in the indoor league. But thats what, maybe 20 weeks out of a 52
week year.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:24:43 -0400
From: Milton & Louise Holmes
Subject: RE: scouting for US team / jr. nat. team
>MH> There obviously needs to be a wider evaluation/scouting process.
>MH> American coaches were apparently sent a form asking if any player on
>MH> their team might be good enough to try out for the team.....
>
>There was (I believe) 3 tryouts for the National team (east, midwest,
>west). I am a coach I never received such a form mentioned above. There
>was also special "skate with the national team" practices to get evaluated
>by Ben Smith... if you knew the right people.... but, I think it was more
>for back-scratching purposes.
>
>However, I strongly believe that politics plays a great role in who makes
>the team (US). That is my personal opinion and I have no proof, of course.
>There is a ton of un-tapped talent across the US but I don't think people
>look to hard for it.
>
>And another touchy subject I would like to throw out there... I strongly
>believe that the younger players should be playing on the Jr. National
>team... that is why we have it. There is plenty of over 18 talent that
>could have filled certain shoes.
>
>Just my 2 cents.
>Zoe
>Seattle
>
Actually, I was refering to the Canadian Team's evaluation, specifically
regarding Canadians playing in the US.
Milton
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Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:39:35 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Planning for future growth in Women's Hockey
In a message dated 98-02-18 19:33:15 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< Most of the best players on the US Olympic team
(e.g. Sandra Whyte) already have professional careers or are receiving
Ivy-league level college education to get them there, that would make it
totally unnecessary for them to play hockey for their livelihood. >>
Unnecessary, maybe. But wouldn't it be nice if playing professional ice hockey
was a viable option?
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:40:58 -0600
From: "Erin and Rich Malinowski"
Subject: Re: Girls' High School Hockey
Actually, Illinois has girls' high school hockey as well.
Erin Malinowski
AHAI Women's Committee
email@hidden
>As far as I know, Minnesota is the only state in the U.S. with girls
>high school hockey. Let me know how I can help.
>
>Kevin Norling
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:54:57 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Some USA/Canada thoughts.....
In a message dated 98-02-18 23:13:27 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
Jill said:
>BLAME Miller for the silver medal...Perhaps Miller should be >CREDITED for
leading her team to the silver, not BLAMED for the >loss of the gold.
C'mon. With the talent we have in Canada, I could have travelled around,
picked a team out of a hat, opened and closed the gates, gone on shopping
runs for Diet Coke, carried bags (Bag Boy is my nickname with the Stingers
anyway) and we still would have won silver (though maybe Finland would have
worried me a bit). In fact, I think Canada were pretty rudderless tactically
anyway and I got tired screaming at the television when Cassie got caught
way out of position and found Team USA's sticks with her passes on a regular
basis. Don't get me started about "defensive liabilities" now!
This is not meant as an insult to Japan, China and Sweden, just in
recognition that the skill level is still fairly unbalanced and that silver
ain't the achievement it seems.
Phil, Victoria, BC >>
OK, Bag Boy, you are right.
Finishing # 2 out of 6 is not all that good. To put it into perspective, that
would be the equivalent of scoring in the top 66.66 percentile on the SAT's.
Not very good at all. Maybe good enough to get into Apex tech, but certainly
not good enough to get into Harvard. Given the level of competition, a
monkey could have coached Team Canada to the Silver. (Is that what you
wanted to hear???) :-) (Please tkae note of my slightly sarcastic tone
thorughout the preceeding paragraph.)
The 8-7 record and all the stats show that the teams are just about even.
Let's face it. It was pretty much the 3 nations cup all over again. Smith
just outcoached Miller, and Team USA just outplayed Team Canada. On that
given day. If these 2 teams were to play again tomorrow, who knows what the
results could be.....
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:55:41 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: future, pro league, college
> Has anybody made the transition from roller to ice?
Several of my teammates on my beginner ice hockey team came from
roller hockey. One of them scored a hat trick in his first game on ice.
He had only skated on ice once before that game! (He has a lot of talent.
Now if he would pass the puck once or twice instead of hogging it all the
time... but I digress.)
My teammates that came from roller hockey had the most trouble learning to
stop on ice. They also say that they noticed that positional play was
completely different; in their roller hockey, there is no offsides, so they
have to learn the discipline for ice hockey. But they all were clearly better
off in the beginning than the rest of the team, who had never played any kind
of hockey.
- -- Anne Paulson
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:00:45 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: cbs coverage, and womens hockey in general
In a message dated 98-02-17 21:09:54 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< CBS well I don't think I'll even start with them. Before they even
showed
the game they said they wouldn't be able to cover the entire game because of
time. Give me a break, they had 2 hours to put a 60 minute hockey game on tv.
Tape delayed no less. they could've just edited out the time taken for
penalty
calling and that stuff. And the numerous weather announcements, if I wanted
to
know the weather every 10 minutes I would've been watching the weather
channel. >>
I agree with ya here. And, to top it off....... with 54 seconds left in the
game, they once again, stop to show the friggin weather. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Perhaps the for next Olympucks they should consider splitting up the airtime &
events. Let the stations that know how to cover the events show those events.
e.g. ESPN or Sports Channel (or even Fox, if they get rid of that stupid blue
puck with the red streak) should show the ice hockey and skiing. Leave the
figure skating, luge & warm-fuzzy & "my father died so I have to win the gold
for him" stories for the major networks.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:23:48, -0500
From: email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
Subject: Random thoughts
Well, here I am to contribute my own thoughts on the latest babble
floating around on the list...
First of all, I signed on email for the first time since yesterday
evening and I had an overwhelming 126 messages in my mailbox,
approximately 105 of which were from the list. My God, people. And at
least 5 of those were actual contributions, and not the back and
forth catfight between Cindy and Dave...
Anyhoo...
OK, this thing with female coaches are better suited to female
players. One word comes to mind: no. This is totally absurd. Does
that mean that my MOTHER would be a better coach than my male hockey
coach, who played men's college hockey and also currently coaches a
high school team? Just because she's female? This has already been
stated, but it is the more qualified person, not the gender of the
person, that makes for a better coach. I don't care WHAT Don Cherry
says, and how much hockey knowledge he has. This is my experience
with coaches. Last year was the first year my coach had ever coached
girls. Perhaps he did not "relate" as well with us as a female would
have, but face it, the coach is there neither to be your soulmate nor
your buddy. They are there to coach. It is their decision if they
want to interact with players or parents, but isn't it their ability
to um...COACH that matters most? Just wondering. By the way, our
coaches "inability to interact with the players of his gender" did
not appear to stand in the way of our league championship.
Shannon Miller's guarantee of Canada's Olympic Gold. The comparison
of Mark Messier's guarantee of the Rangers win in Game 6 of the
Stanley Cup Semifinals in 1994 is absurd. If you remember correctly,
the Rangers were down 3-2 in the series, they had lost 2 straight
games, and there were rumors floating around the news that their best
players, Messier and Leetch, were injured and unable to play. Rumors
of Mike Keenan jumping ship to the Detroit Red Wings were all over
the place. Mark Messier didn't guarantee that win to be arrogant, he
did it to instill confidence in his teammates and to divert the
press's attention from the off-ice crap to the stuff that really
mattered. Shannon Miller's team had won more games vs the US. Maybe
she was doing it to give her team a boost. I don't know, I don't know
the reason, I'm not her, I don't know enough about it to say. But it
was TOTALLY different. Not even close.
We all concur. The CBS coverage of the Olympics as a whole was awful.
But until the first US women's game, women's hockey had NEVER been on
network television in my area! Yeah it's great that Lifetime
broadcasted that one US/Canada game, but I'd love to hear the ratings
of that game...or the ratings for Lifetime in general, for that
matter. If they just showed HIGHLIGHTS of the games on CBS I'd
consider it an accomplishment. In retrospect, they showed about 500 X
the amount of women's hockey on network tv than had ever been shown
before. Why can't we be happy with that? And let me ruin the suspense
for you: NBC will be no better in 2002. How's that for a guarantee?
One more thought. Although to US (Us, meaning members of the
exclusive hockey world, not U.S., as in the continent some of us
reside in), Jaromir Jagr, Wayne Gretzky, and Mark Messier are
household names, you MUST remember that they don't even exist to most
of the world. They DON'T. You can say "Who hasn't heard of Wayne
Gretzky?" A LOT OF PEOPLE!!!!! TRUST ME!!!!! He plays in NY, which is
approximately 25 mins away from me, and most of the people I know
haven't a clue who he is, unless they've heard me mention him or
they've seen the latest SI Swimsuit issue. Hockey isn't even
considered a major sport to a lot of people. The day the US won the
gold medal WAS a great day for women's hockey. But it does not make
Tueting, Bye, and Granato household names. But if ONE little girl
decided to play hockey from watching that game, it's good enough for
me. Maybe not for everyone, but it's good enough for me.
All for now...
- -Carolyn #21
NJ Selects
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:26:38 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: The Top Ten
"Cool Things About Winning A Gold Medal"
As presented on February 17, 1998:
by 10 members of the ~~~~~gold medal-winning U.S. Women's~~~~~~~~
Olympic Hockey Team
10. Fun to set off airport metal detector, then say, "I'm sorry -- that must
be my Olympic gold medal." -- Colleen Coyne
9. Get to be President Clinton's intern. -- Sara DeCosta
8. It makes a really nice "ding" when you whack it against Verne Lundquist's
head. -- A.J. Mleczko
7. On the flight home, free headsets and tequila. -- Tara Mounsey
6. Now that you've proved you're the best, you can sit on your ass and watch
TV. -- Vicki Movsessian.
5. Comes with a big sloppy kiss from Gordie Howe. -- Alana Blahoski
4. When you get pulled over for speeding, you can say, "It's okay, officer,
I'm going for the gold." -- Sarah Tueting
3. Get to take slap shots at the Spice Girls. -- Angela Ruggiero
2. The Canadian snowboarding team sends over some delicious homemade brownies.
- -- Jenny Schmidgall
1. Get to do Jell-o shots with Dave's mom. -- Karyn Bye
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:27:35 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: More aftermath
<< >At 08:31 AM 2/18/98 -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>>At 4:23 AM -0800 2/18/98, email@hidden wrote:
>>> One question I often get from men is, "How many
>>> lesbians are on your team?" Does anyone ever ask a guy how many men on
his
>>> team are gay?
>>
>>Here's a big difference -- the women probably know the answer. The men
>>either assume (or hope) the answer is none (and they're probably wrong).
>>
>
>Gotta disagree with you here Chuq, I have no idea who is a lesbian and who
>is straight on my team, nor have I given it much thought. The only
>'answer' I know for sure is about myself.
>
>No big deal man, but women don't have any more insite on who is gay and who
>isn't.
The point here is that you haven't given it much thought. And if you knew,
would you move your hockey bag to the other side of the room? Probably not.
Debbie
>>
Well, I was very disappointed to find out that there were so many straight
women on my team. I started playing about 1 1/2 years ago, and thought it
would be a great way to meet some cute dykes. Well, turns out most of my
team was straight, :-( but I love the game, so I'm sticking with it. :-)
And to Debbie, as for moving to the "other side" of the locker room, there is
no "other side." Straight or lesbo, we all sit amongst each other.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:43:27 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: How to stretch out calf/achilles tendon?
I've been watching the Olympic speed skaters to see how they skate
so fast and to get inspiration. As I'm sure you all hear from your coaches,
one key is to BEND YOUR KNEES. At a skating clinic the instructors
wanted us to get our knees *at least* two inches in front of our toes.
My trouble is that my left Achilles tendon/calf muscle is so tight that
I can barely bend my knees that much and still keep my heel down. It's
not a question of my quads being able to hold that position-- I just
have trouble getting in it. I suspect this is caused by some old injury,
because my right leg has adequate flexibility, but no amount of stretching
seems to remedy the problem. Anyone have any suggestions? Heat,
manipulation, massage?
- -- Anne Paulson
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:26:07 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: Girls' High School Hockey
Pennsylvania and New Jersey also have girls' high school hockey.
Debbie Minden
>Actually, Illinois has girls' high school hockey as well.
>
>Erin Malinowski
>AHAI Women's Committee
>email@hidden
>
>>As far as I know, Minnesota is the only state in the U.S. with girls
>>high school hockey. Let me know how I can help.
>>
>>Kevin Norling
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Date: 18 Feb 98 22:33:23 PST (Wed)
From: Chuck Collins
Subject: Re: Random thoughts
Miss carolyn said:
> OK, this thing with female coaches are better suited to female
> players. One word comes to mind: no. This is totally absurd. Does
> that mean that my MOTHER would be a better coach than my male hockey
> coach, who played men's college hockey and also currently coaches a
> high school team? Just because she's female? This has already been
> stated, but it is the more qualified person, not the gender of the
> person, that makes for a better coach.
I have a different take on this. I'm unhappy with the message that
the female players are good enough to play the game, but when it's
time to select the person who leads them and trains them, it's a man.
I'm not saying that you need to settle for an inferior coach so that
a woman can coach women or girls. I am saying that it's a not-so-subtle
chauvinistic message when a man is selected.
Of all the positive aspects of this result, the one biggest negative,
no matter which country you are from, is that the stock of women
coaches around the sport lost some points.
- - Chuck Collins
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:44:02 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Re: Some USA/Canada thoughts.....
Jill said:
>OK, Bag Boy, you are right.
>
>Given the level of competition, a monkey could have coached Team >Canada
to the Silver. (Is that what you wanted to hear???) (Please >tkae note
of my slightly sarcastic tone thorughout the preceeding >paragraph.)
It's actually a dead heat between the monkey and me in terms of coaching
ability. I'm glad we're on a nickname basis, Datbytes :) AOL'ers have the
most interesting names...PuckDyke being another of my favourites.
>If these 2 teams were to play again tomorrow, who knows what the
>results could be.....
I'd put my money on the USA, tomorrow, the next day and the day after that.
The tide has turned and we need a serious rethink. They had a plan but we
took it on faith that inspiration and Canadian genes would carry the day.
The minute they got over the psychological barrier of beating us, the
result(s) were inevitable.
Phil, Victoria, BC
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