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Women-in-Hockey Digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 145
In this issue:
Re: re: Miller
Re: Jayna Hefford
Re: Female Coaches
RE: Female scouts.
RE: Planning for future growth in Women's Hockey
Re: little bit of everything
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Re: Female Coaches
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Re: Don Cherry
Re: Gold Medal Game and Aftermath
Re: Don Cherry
Re: Some USA/Canada thoughts.....
Re: Gold Medal Game and Aftermath
Re: re: Miller
Re: Some USA/Canada thoughts.....
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:24:01 -0800
From: "A.V.C."
Subject: Re: re: Miller
> I'm not allowed to talk about Miller as per Chug requests. Sorry.
>
>
What happened to freedom of speech?
What's this all about? I haven't read anything inappropriate from Cindy.
Shannon Miller chose to coach the highest caliber women's hockey team ever
in Canada. Hockey in Canada always comes under the microscope. Add to
that, the fact the she is always in front of the cameras and microphones.
Most players you just never see interviewed. As well, I never figured out
what her coaching style is. The players seem to make so many poor
percentage plays. Why didn't Goyette play at the end of the game? Of
what benefit where the some of the new editions to the team? It is
entirely fair to discuss these questions. "You live by the sword, you die
by the sword." Or at the very least these things can be discussed without
threats.
Annette
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:32:13 -0800
From: "A.V.C."
Subject: Re: Jayna Hefford
Although she struggled offensively before the US games, I thought she
played so well in the US games when it was all on the line, that it is
worth it to single her out. The US Team had her as a target and she just
never quit. She's got great heart and as good as she is now she will be
scary good in 4 years. I'd trade my whole team for her!
Annette
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:17:57 -0500
From: k braun
Subject: Re: Female Coaches
You wanted healthy discussion? Look Bill, I never said that either make
'better' coaches and I think eveyone would be in agreement on that
point.
Seeing you are from Canada you are aware of all the studies that our
Education system is based on. They have found, through no shortage of
taxpayers money for their psychologists, sociologists and psychiatrists,
that girls in a female oriented environment learn better and quicker
than those in a mixed environment. Their inhibitions gone, they forward
all kinds of input and have a higher confidence level. THEY ARE
DIFFERENT.
I was lucky that even at my age my mother had the good common sense not
to restrict me because of my gender and that does have its place.
However, we are different, use different problem solving skills and
utilize different parts of our brains to process information. That
doesn't say lesser or more...just different.
If you take that one step further, who better to understand the
philosophy, the thought processes, the reactions to situations than your
own gender...be it male or female? Yes, yes, yes there are good and bad
in everything and yes some women CAN coach boys and visa versa. As a
mother though, if my daughter can have a role model to look to, why not
Campbell? By the same token, if she sees 'Mom' on the ice coaching, she
figures that's a gimme and what she may do when she is old enough.
Lots of things factor into this...not just good and bad, female and
male. If my daughter so desired, she knows that it's a gimme she can
excel to an Olymic level...she also knows that even if she doesn't that
if she still loves the game down the road she may be able to help
promote other girls. It's a perspective...a legacy (hopefully).
I remember the boys in my neighbourhood thought the only reason I was
out was to clear the ice and be a net...we've come a long way and should
be concerned that our kids get the best they can get. My opinion is that
if we promote more women into role model positions (BECAUSE THEY DESERVE
IT) the better off we are.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 16:13:00 -0800
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
Subject: RE: Female scouts.
Yes there are scouts ... mostly for the colleges. If you wish to play
collegiately this is what I know:
College and universities scout for themselves. From what I am told the US
colleges mostly go to USA Hockey Regional and Nationals, the Jr. National
camps, the CT Polar Bears tournament, the RI Panthers tournament, and the
Brampton (Canada) tournament if they can. It all depends on their budget
and time available.
That is very cool for the east coast... and those who can make it to those
tournaments... but for those who can't ... you have to work double time.
Personally, as a coach on the west coast, I scout for a few schools to help
the players in this area get a foot in the door.... and help the schools
see some players that they might miss.
It is also smart to start a portfolio early for yourself. I would try to
get some video footage of yourself playing and keep some basic stats.
Attend camps and keep a list of everything you do in regards to the
sport... start writing colleges for information and to coaches to see what
they are looking for... and most importantly... keep the grades up because
without them... you won't go anywhere.
Good luck.
Zoe
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 16:28:00 -0800
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
Subject: RE: Planning for future growth in Women's Hockey
I personally spoke to Mr. Saunders on this issue (grassroots programs) and
several other issues.
I believe that Mr. Saunders is a great supporter of the grassroot level. I
also think he thinks it is time for the next step. Whether that is true
remains to be seen... personally I am excited about it... even though I
will not be able to see any games since I live on the west coast.
I also personally believe that with greater exposure at a pro level it will
increase visibility and more people will want to learn to play and join at
the grassroots level. That is what has happened to me in respect to the
women's pro basketball (ABL). After watching the Seattle Reign (who
happens to be last in the west) I am all over giving it a go! The way they
appreciate the fans and include the youth and community is wonderful!
I think this needs to be a grow-from-the-top-down and bottom-up situation,
to meet in the middle. We do need more varsity collegiate programs and high
school programs and/or city programs... but I also think that giving the
grassroots level something to shoot for gives them a greater goal, a
clearer vision, and a future -- if they so choose -- to play the sport
professionally.
My 2 cents once again :)
Zoe
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:31:21 -0500
From: k braun
Subject: Re: little bit of everything
It's really unfortunate to hear that what would drive one is based
solely on the remuneration at the end. No wonder the Olympics did
nothing for you. The olympics is about pride and effort...not cash.
Would you have us turn our Girls' Associations into the same 'some day
my boy will have a million dollar contract' win at all costs attitude?
Unfortunately, the Canadian Hockey Association has put forth sad
statistics which say that 67% of male players quit by the Bantam age
because of pressure and loss of the fundamentals which had them playing
in the first place...fun. Let's not lose sight of this. Once cash
becomes the golden calf, where do national and personal pride come in?
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:28:56 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Ê
Any one know where I can get a Team Usa jersey with Cammi Granato 's name on
the back
cAmMi FaN
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:42:21 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: Female Coaches
> If you take that one step further, who better to understand the
> philosophy, the thought processes, the reactions to situations than your
> own gender...be it male or female?
I don't like this idea one bit. Although I agree that women ought to
be encouraged and supported to coach hockey, I don't see that women and
girls should only be coached by women (and men and boys, presumably, only
coached by men). Aside from the fact that there's a problem with who
coaches mixed gender teams, this idea, though superficially seeming to
benefit women coaches, actually will ghettoize them. Right now, most
of the high-paying, high-profile hockey coaching jobs are for coaching
male players. If an otherwise qualified woman wants one of these jobs, I
don't want her to have to hear that she should run off and coach a girls' or
women's team.
As a teenager, and well into my twenties, I was a swimmer. Some teams
I swam on were mixed gender, some female only. I had some female coaches
and some male coaches. I didn't feel that the female coaches were better
suited to coach me by virtue of their gender. In swimming, as in other
established sports that have substantial participation by both sexes, both men
and women coach both females and males, and this is not regarded as strange.
I've noticed that in several of the Olympic sports (figure skating and
speed skating, for example), women are coaching male athletes , and no one
remarks on this.
I hope that the Olympic women's hockey brings more women into coaching
hockey. I hope those women don't feel that they could only be qualified
to coach women and girls.
- -- Anne Paulson
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:43:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Norling
Subject: [none]
Shannon,
I'm a high school hockey broadcaster (boys and girls) in Minnesota.
As far as I know, Minnesota is the only state in the U.S. with girls
high school hockey. Let me know how I can help.
Kevin Norling
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:40:16 -0500
From: Shannon Perkins
Subject: prep school hockey
Hey,
I'm just looking for some information on prep
school hockey for next
season. It'll be my senior year, and I'd like to
play somewhere I could get
seen. I'm looking at the New Hampshire area,
Minnesota and Wisconsin, and
basically anywhere on the east coast. I'd
appreciate any information anyone
could give me on the subject.
Thanks,
Shannon Perkins
email@hidden
==
Kevin Norling, Sports Director, KRWC Radio
http:.//members.wbs.net/homepages/k/e/v/kevin1963.html
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:44:09 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Don Cherry
If Don Cherry really made such a statement about men not wishing to coach
women's hockey, it simply proves that he knows very little about sports other
than hockey. Many of the top NCAA women's basketball teams (including
perennial powerhouse UConn) are coached by men, and the most improved team in
the ABL, the New England Blizzard, is coached by former Celtics coach K.C.
Jones. Geno Auriemma and K.C. Jones don't seem to have any qualms about
coaching women.
As for there being something wrong about treating female players the same way
you treat male players - horse puckey. That's playing directly into the
stereotypes about hockey being too rough for women. The only difference in
the rules is that checking isn't allowed. Most of these players started on
boys' teams (not to mention female pros), and I doubt their midget coaches
treated them any differently because of their gender.
Don Cherry is amusing at times, but his opinions aren't gospel. I would take
his comments about women's hockey about as seriously as I'd take his vendetta
against European players.
Lisa Evans
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:53:08 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Gold Medal Game and Aftermath
In a message dated 98-02-18 00:07:57 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
Gimme a break! Just because they didn't come to the game you think the
American players are evil?! So what that they didn't! Yes, it would have
been nice if they had been there, but why should they be expected to go?
(expected to the point that if they don't show up that some people are as
hard on them as you just were.) It makes you sick to your stomach? Is it
really that big of a deal? If some of the Canadian men had not have shown
up would anybody be criticizing either side? No, nobody would have noticed.
I'm sorry to sound somewhat harsh here but I think you blew this way out of
proportion.
Be well.
-Aaron
email@hidden
>>
Give ME a break. I never said they are "evil."
What else do these guys have to do while theyr are there? It would be one
thing if the game intefered with their traingning schedule, but it did not.
Americans shoulld be supporting each other through this. You will always see
the men & women figure skaters, speed skaters, skiers, lugers, etc.
supporitng each other. This should be the same for hockey as well. Women's
hockey as been in the background for so long, and fighitng to gain
"legitmacy." We have had to deal with stupid comments like "Do girls REALLY
play hockey?" The fact that the American men were not there, shows that
they do not support women;s hockey, or at the very least, that they do not
take it seriously. Well, that's the impression that it gives me.
Well guess what? We ARE serious. The Women are comming home with the gold.
The men are comming home with bruised egos, large paychecks, and a very cushy
job - the type that the USA women would kill to have. These men don;t realise
how fortunate they are. They least they could have done was come to the game.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:16:56 -0500
From: k braun
Subject: Re: Don Cherry
I did not say Don said men did not wish to coach women...I said he
supported women coaching women. With a dearth of women in coaching, any
support to promote women to come forward I would think would be
positive.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:17:56 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Some USA/Canada thoughts.....
In a message dated 98-02-18 10:26:36 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< I don't see that it's appropriate to blame
her entirely for the Canadian silver medal. >>
BLAME Miller for the silver medal? Excuse me, but we are talking about an
olympic silver medal. No matter what, the Canadian team still has a silver
medal. That is something that they should be proud of. Perhaps Miller
should be CREDITED for leading her team to the silver, not BLAMED for the loss
of the gold.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:27:10 -0800
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Re: Gold Medal Game and Aftermath
re: US men's team players not coming to the US/Canada gold medal game:
According to ESPN
http://ESPN.SportsZone.com/olympics98/features/00586784.html , Ron Wilson
held a team meeting at the same time as the game, so if any players
attended the women's game (which Ron MacLean mentioned), they did so around
the men's team meeting.
Laurie
email@hidden
"All the best defencemen have goalie eyes."
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:31:15 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: re: Miller
> What happened to freedom of speech?
The freedom to speak freely implies the responsibility to use the
freedom wisely. Abuse the freedom, and it gets restricted. And there
are rules of behavior we ask people to follow for the *priviledge* of
using our mailing lists. If you can't abide by them, we reserve the
right to terminate or restrict that priviledge. Using this list is not
your right.
> What's this all about? I haven't read anything inappropriate from Cindy.
Then, frankly, you've missed a lot the last few weeks.
- --
Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:35:54 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Re: Some USA/Canada thoughts.....
Jill said:
>BLAME Miller for the silver medal...Perhaps Miller should be >CREDITED for
leading her team to the silver, not BLAMED for the >loss of the gold.
C'mon. With the talent we have in Canada, I could have travelled around,
picked a team out of a hat, opened and closed the gates, gone on shopping
runs for Diet Coke, carried bags (Bag Boy is my nickname with the Stingers
anyway) and we still would have won silver (though maybe Finland would have
worried me a bit). In fact, I think Canada were pretty rudderless tactically
anyway and I got tired screaming at the television when Cassie got caught
way out of position and found Team USA's sticks with her passes on a regular
basis. Don't get me started about "defensive liabilities" now!
This is not meant as an insult to Japan, China and Sweden, just in
recognition that the skill level is still fairly unbalanced and that silver
ain't the achievement it seems.
Phil, Victoria, BC
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