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Women-in-Hockey Digest Sunday, December 13 1998 Volume 01 : Number 330
In this issue:
Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Part II
Re: Re: what would you do
Re: what would you do
Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Part II
Canada 8, Finland 4 (Game Report)
Summary of Canada/Finland
Re: what would you do
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:20:09 -0500
From: "TeePee Communications"
Subject: Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Part II
From: email@hidden
Date sent: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:02:02 EST
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Subject: WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Part II
> I do know him to be a "mild mannered" individual.
So what, the same thing has been said by friends of murderers,
although obviously not the same thing , this statement is totally
irrelevant.
> The age group was Pee Wees.
Doesnt matter.
> I do not know the history here (i.e., prior incidents with the player, coach &
> CFO).
Still irrelevant.
> It is possible that the grandfather is the player's guardian . . . he may be
> from a single parent family.
I repeat myself.
> I do know that this particular association is prone to "political agendas."
I havent seen one one yet that isnt. From the most minor house
league up to OLYMPIC TEAMS (hint hint).
My personal opinion is that if this occurred in the business that I
run, by a supervisor (instead of coach) I would give one very harsh
warning and maybe suspension. A second occurance would result
in dismissal.
There is no reason to degrade a human being like that, at ANY
age, especially such an impressionable one.
I cant believe all of you with the " its always been done that way so
its okay" attitude. Where would womens hockey (and women's
rights for that matter) be today if we kept that attitude? Time to
wake up and change things. If the player cannot respond to
responsible coaching, then replace them with a player who will. If
the coach can only motivate their players by degrading and name
calling, then they shouldnt be coaching.
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:21:37 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Re: what would you do
It doesn't matter how much training you had as a coach, what matters is how
you use that training and how exactly you were trained. Maybe you weren't
trained properly, bad techniques can get handed down several times.
The best way to motivate people in general is to use positive reinforcement,
not negative reinforcement. Coaches need to determine what motivates each
individual and to find out why a certain player may not be up to snuff on one
day. Maybe something personal is going on. Maybe they stayed up too late the
night before, if so the coach can make a team rule that if a player stayed up
all night they would not be allowed to play next game. It's very important to
maintain communication with all team members, so that everyone knows the rules
ahead of time and all are treated fairly. Explain to individuals what they
are doing wrong and give advice on how to fix their errors for next time,
whether they are doing drills or playing in a game. They need to know they
have the ability to improve.
Remember, USE POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joan
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:36:49 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: what would you do
Exactly Joan . . . "know thy players." Motivation is very individualistic . .
. the coach has to know which buttons exist on the INDIVIDUAL. Every one is
VERY different. Thanks for your comments!
"AC"
In a message dated 98-12-12 12:26:45 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< Coaches need to determine what motivates each
individual and to find out why a certain player may not be up to snuff on one
day. Maybe something personal is going on. Maybe they stayed up too late
the
night before, if so the coach can make a team rule that if a player stayed up
all night they would not be allowed to play next game. It's very important
to
maintain communication with all team members, so that everyone knows the
rules
ahead of time and all are treated fairly. Explain to individuals what they
are doing wrong and give advice on how to fix their errors for next time,
whether they are doing drills or playing in a game. They need to know they
have the ability to improve. >>
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:29:03 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Part II
In a message dated 12/12/98 11:26:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
> I do not know the history here (i.e., prior incidents with the player, coach
&
> CFO).
>> Still irrelevant.
This is NOT irrelevant. (see below)
>> My personal opinion is that if this occurred in the business that I run,
by a >>supervisor (instead of coach) I would give one very harsh warning and
maybe >>suspension. A second occurance would result in dismissal. There is no
reason to >>degrade a human being like that, at ANY age, especially such an
impressionable >>one. >>
I agree 100% that there is no reason to degrade anybody, espescially kids, who
may not be able to stand up for themselves. However, EVERYONE, and I mean
EVERYONE blows their cool once in a while. It is human nature. If it was a
rare occurracne, then perhaps a tlaking to, or a formal warnming. If there
has been a long hiostory of verbally abusing the players, then the situation
should be handled one way. Apply this same rule to players. e.g. If a player
blows a line change, you are not goign to throw her off the team. But, if
that player has a history of boneheaded plays, you would certainly handle that
differently.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
# 77 LI Hurricanes
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:28:46 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Canada 8, Finland 4 (Game Report)
www.canadianhockey.ca:
CANADA BEATS FINLAND 8-4 IN GAME TWO AT THE THREE NATIONS CUP IN
FINLAND
NARPIO, FINLAND -Vicky Sunohara of Scarborough, ON and Cassie Campbell of
Brampton,
ON each scored two goals, and Amanda Benoit of Welland, ON scored a goal
and added two
assists to lead Team Canada to a 8-4 victory over Finland in Canadas
second game at the
Womens 3 Nations Cup in Finland.
Finland opened the scoring with a goal at 5:46 from Karoliina Ranatamaki,
then Canada responded
with six unanswered goals to take a 6-1 lead at the end of two periods.
Campbell started the
scoring for Canada at 6:45 of the first period with an assist from Lori
Dupuis of Cornwall, ON.
Sunohara scored her first of two goals at 10:08 of the first period, with
Benoit assisting.
Canada continued their scoring pace in the second period with a power
play goal from Nancy
Drolet of Drummondville, QC, and then two goals 32 seconds apart from
Benoit and Sunohara.
Jayna Hefford of Trenton, ON rounded out Canadas second period scoring.
France St-Louis of
Laval, QC added Canadas final goal at 18:03 of the third period.
"We moved the puck well, generated a lot of speed and went to the net
well tonight", said Vicky
Sunohara who was co-player of the game for Canada, sharing the honours
with Benoit.
"We wanted to play an offensive game today, and we got it. We are
continuing to build momentum
in each game of the tournament", said Danile Sauvageau, head coach of
Team Canada.
Team Canadas roster features 13 Olympic silver medalists for this first
International womens
tournament since the 1998 Winter Olympic games in Nagano, Japan.
Canadas next game is on Monday, Dec. 14 at 6:30pm, (9:30am EST), as they
take on Team USA
for the second time of the tournament, after beating the USA 2-1 in their
first meeting. Canada will
finish the 3 Nations Cup on Dec. 16 versus Finland.
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:32:39 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Summary of Canada/Finland
GAME SUMMARY
First Period
1. Finland, Ranatamaki (Fisk) 5:46
2. Canada, Campbell (Dupuis) 6:45
3. Canada, Sunohara (Benoit) 10:08
Penalties-St-Louis CAN (high sticking) 7:37, Rilei FIN (tripping) 14:39,
Ostring FIN (hooking)
18:52
Second Period
4. Canada, Drolet (Benoit) :49 PP
5. Canada, Benoit (Drolet) 7:07
6. Canada, Sunohara (unassisted) 7:39
7. Canada, Hefford (Sunohara) 17:40
Penalties-Drolet CAN (high sticking) 10:38, Dupuis CAN (tripping) 18:07,
FIN too many 19:53
Third Period
8. Finland, Vaarakallio (Fisk, Hanninen) :39 SH
9. Finland, Lehto (unassisted) 7:58 PP
10. Canada, Campbell (L) 12:47 PP
11. Canada, St-Louis (Goyette) 18:03
12. Finland, Hanninen (Vaarahallio) 19:54 PP
Penalties-Keller CAN (holding) 6:49, St-Louis CAN (hooking) 7:40,
Hanninen FIN (hooking)
12:11, Pounder CAN (holding) 15:19, Sunohara CAN (body checking) 19:03,
Drolet CAN (hooking)
19:33
Shots on goal by: Goaltenders:(Shots/saves)
FIN--3-10-4---17 FIN: Duputti/Ahonen (19/11)
CAN---6-5-8 ---19 CAN:St.Pierre (17/13)
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:17:55 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: what would you do
In a message dated 12/12/98 9:26:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< It doesn't matter how much training you had as a coach, what matters is how
you use that training and how exactly you were trained. Maybe you weren't
trained properly, bad techniques can get handed down several times.
The best way to motivate people in general is to use positive reinforcement,
not negative reinforcement. >>
Joan, I totally agree with you and probably the best learning experience that
I have had as a coach was the 2 years I spent as an Asst. Coach under a very
nasty, negative Coach who I vowed NEVER to be like. I use alot of positive
reinforcement with my players which makes it much more efficient when I do
have to say something a little negative, they like me and don't like
disappointing me and they listen up. If your Players like AND respect you ,
the vast majority of them will "Jump through hoops" for a good Coach. Alot of
it really depends on the individual and the age. I am coached myself and
since I am a grownup, I can take a little negativity from the coach and done
at the appropriate time, it does motivate me. If my Coach has "totally had
it" with us, if we don't seem to be paying attention or doing a drill right,
he will stop and say, "Are you people stupid or just incapable?" He is dead
serious, but inside it totally cracks me up and motivates me. Because he is
right, there are times when we certainly look stupid and/or incapable. LOL
Jackie
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