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Women-in-Hockey Digest Friday, December 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 329
In this issue:
Canadian Hockey's Report on Canada/USA
Re: What would you do?
Re: What would you do?
Re: what would you do
Re: what would you do
what would you do
Re: what would you do
WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Part II
USA 3, Finland 2 (Game Report)
Re: what would you do
GOPHER IN FINLAND
On a side note
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:42:56 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Canadian Hockey's Report on Canada/USA
Shamelessly nicked from the Canadian Hockey site:
CANADA'S WOMEN'S NATIONAL TEAM EDGES USA 2-1
IN OPENING GAME OF THREE NATIONS CUP IN FINLAND
KUORTANE, FINLAND - A late goal by Mai-Lan L of Montreal at 19:14 of the
third period
proved to be the winner Wednesday night as Canada beat Team USA in the
first game of the
1998 Women's 3 Nations Cup.
Danielle Goyette of Montreal scored a power play goal at 5:44 of the
third period to give Team
Canada a 1-0 lead, but Katie King of the USA evened the score at the
16:04 mark of the final
period. Canada scored the game winning goal when Lori Dupuis of Cornwall,
ON set up
National team rookie Mai-Lan L for the winner.
Team Canada's roster featured 13 Olympic silver medalists for this first
International women's
tournament since the 1998 Winter Olympic games in Nagano, Japan.
"It was a great game not only because of the score, but also because the
players played with
intensity and determination", said Team Canada's head coach, Daniele
Sauvageau. "Our game
plan was to put pressure on the USA players to create turnovers and
provide more opportunities
to attack in the offensive zone."
Team Canada fired 31 shots on USA's goaltender Sara DeCosta, while Team
Canada's
goaltender, Sami Jo Small of Winnipeg turned away 26 of the USA's 27
shots.
"This is a good beginning for the 1998-99 National Women's Team",said
Sauvageau. "Our first
objective of the season is to bring the intensity to a higher level and
allow the players to use their
experience and creativity."
Canada's next game is on Saturday, Dec. 12, as they take on Olympic
bronze medalists and
tournament host, Finland, at 4:00pm (7:00am EST). They will play Team USA
again on Dec. 14
and then finish the 3 Nations Cup on Dec. 16 versus Finland.
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:48:00 -0700
From: "Hunter, Bill 464-8643"
Subject: Re: What would you do?
It's really quite clear. Hockey Canada instituted a zero tolerance policy
for abuse. (Get real, no male calls anyone a pussy as in pussy cat.)
Calling someone a pussy is abusive behaivour so it can't be tolerated.
There are plenty of ways to motivate someone without using abusive language.
As far as the types of verbal bantering and language on the bench, two
things. That's under the coaching staff's control if they set the ground
rules at the beginning of the year. Secondly, it's different when a peer
swears at you and when an authority figure says it.
As to the response, it depends on the history of the coach. If he's done it
repeatedly then a one year suspension is probably appropriate along with an
apology to the team. If there's been a history of other types of abusive
behaviour, physical intimidation, skating kids until they puke, denying
water breaks etc then dismissal from the program may be appropriate. If
it's a first time occurence then an apology to the team and a warning is
fair. The association should put on a seminar on abuse. Abuse is not
always easy to recognize and is easy to hide.
These are the kinds of options available to the association. There isn't
enough information given for me to recommend which one's appropriate.
As for me, I'm a coach of a female Midget team, assistant on a male peewee
team. I'm a former member of the local association board. At work, in
addition to my regular duties, I'm a workplace harrassment investigator.
Bill Hunter
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:49:57 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: What would you do?
When I read that a coach had called a player a "pussy" I didn't think much of
it myself. That is, if the player was me. I have always had a relaxed
relationship with my coaches and would not take this comment that personally.
Dont get me wrong, I do see where there would be a problem. Not a lot of
players have that sort of relationship with their coaches.
I couldnt agree more that the coach was wrong in what he said, but I cant
justify what the grandfather did. I have a question of my own. If the coach
would have said this comment to another player would he still have been
punished so severely? Or if it was a different coach and a different player
would this have still happened? There is alot more to be taken into
consideration than just what the guy said. Does he have a history of saying
derogitory (spelling?) things to players?
It is definatly a tough call on whether the grandfather is write or not.
Michelle Ault
Southpointe Hockey
#95
Pittsburgh PA
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:50:45 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: what would you do
In a message dated 12/10/98 5:50:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, email@hidden
writes:
<< And I'm similarly offended by the 50's style of coach who cleverly tries to
spur his boys' team on to action by referring to them as "girls".
But dismissal for calling someone a "pussy" is way overboard.
>>
I have to agree with Chuck on this issue. I've been a Coach for many years
and I coach boys and I always take whatever girls (never been more than 3)
that come out for that particular age group. If this was the ONLY "issue"
that came up all season, I would be jumping for joy! As all other Coaches
know, if it's not one thing, it's another. I am a woman and I always have 2-3
male assistant Coaches working with me and although I would speak to them
regarding the use of the term "pussy", I certainly would not want anyone
dismissed for that. I wouldn't doubt if the word has almost come out of my
own mouth at one time or another. I would probably tell them to change the
term to the more acceptable "wuss" or "wussy".
I had a very similar incident happen this season that I will share. This year
I coach 12 boys and 3 girls and before one of our games a grandparent on our
team overheard the Coach of the opposing team giving his lil motivational
speech before the game to his players (all boys) and actually said, "There
just a bunch of girls! Let's "JackHammer" the girls!" Well, the
"Grandparent" just happened to be my own Mother and I knew this information to
be totally reliable even if it came second hand to me. I immediately called
our league commisioner the minute I got home and made a complaint. Being the
only female coach here EVER, I really have to be careful when I complain and
what I chose to complain about, but this definately called for a complaint. I
certainly did not want that Coach dismissed or anything, but I did want to put
a stop to him EVER motivating his players in that manner. Although it sounded
like a sexual bias complaint with me, in reality, it wasn't. As a head Coach
, I will NOT tolerate ANY of my players being made a "target" of, whether
it's, "Let's go Jackhammer the girls!" or "Let's kick the Fat Kid's ass!"
But like I said, that is just ONE SMALL drop in the bucket of tons of things a
Head Coach deals with in one season. If your in my position as the only
female Coach in the area for the last 100 years, you have no choice but to
grow the epidermis of a Armadillo or quit coaching. ( :
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:31:55 -0500
From: "Cindy Goodman"
Subject: Re: what would you do
You wrote:
"I would probably tell them to change the
term to the more acceptable "wuss" or "wussy". "
I am curious why it is necessary to find a replacement for a derogatory name at all. Why do we need to call someone a name to motivate them? What is with all these coaches writing in to say they wouldn't say "pussy" but they would use something less offensive? Is this what your clinics to earn your coaching certificate recommended? I doubt it.
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:03:02 PST
From: "Candi Angulo"
Subject: what would you do
Whatever the reason the coach called a player a "pussy" the bottom line
is that it is UNACCEPTABLE!! Once that statement was uttered, any
credibility that he had to be in a position of authority with children
is gone. I don't think that the punishment dished out was to severe. I
do think he owes apologies to people, but most especially to the player
and their family that he offended. I can see where people might think
that the grandfather did this because of his relationship to the child
- -- that may be the case and we will never know. I can tell you, though,
that if I was a parent, I would have taken steps to have him removed.
I can tell you as a player, that I would not tolerate that behavior from
a coach. But then, I am an adult and fully capable to taking care of
myself and putting someone in their place. However, I can't imagine
being a kid and looking forward to practices and games, knowing that
someone like this coach was going to be on the bench.
My two cents worth...
Candi Angulo
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:43:49 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: what would you do
In a message dated 98-12-11 14:56:22 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< I have to agree with Chuck on this issue. I've been a Coach for many years
and I coach boys and I always take whatever girls (never been more than 3)
that come out for that particular age group. If this was the ONLY "issue"
that came up all season, I would be jumping for joy! As all other Coaches
know, if it's not one thing, it's another. I am a woman and I always have
2-3
male assistant Coaches working with me and although I would speak to them
regarding the use of the term "pussy", I certainly would not want anyone
dismissed for that. I wouldn't doubt if the word has almost come out of my
own mouth at one time or another. I would probably tell them to change the
term to the more acceptable "wuss" or "wussy".
>>
You can look at this several ways. "Pussy" it is a vulgar word, but
certainly not the worst word that one can say. "wimp" would perhaps be a
better choice of words, especially in this "Politically correct" day and age.
That word has ZERO sexual connotation.
My real problem with the whole situation is the singling out and name-calling.
It is bad enough to single out a player for doing something wrong, (but
sometimes necessary) it is a thousand times worse to be called a horrible
name. I know, sticks & stones, yadda, yada.... but a little kid;s feelings
can be very delicate. (It may cost this kid lots of money in therapy bills
when he hits 30!!) The coach is an adult. If he wants his players to act
mature, he should treat his players as adults. He should set an example for
the team.
There are ways to handle players. Name calling does nothing constructive.
I'll tell you, if any of my coaches ever said that to me in front of a group
of people, I would be very upset.
I do not think that dismissal is appropriate, but he does need a good talking
to.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
# 77 LI Hurricanes
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:02:02 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Part II
I think I better jump in here before a flame war erupts. Thank you to
everyone that has participated in this discussion. In fact, I almost think
that I can add some statistical information to the article based on everyone's
replies. For the most part, it appears that the majority feel that the board
overreacted.
Let me just say a couple of things here:
The coach is not from my association.
I do know him to be a "mild mannered" individual.
The age group was Pee Wees.
I do not know the history here (i.e., prior incidents with the player, coach &
CFO).
It is possible that the grandfather is the player's guardian . . . he may be
from a single parent family.
I do know that this particular association is prone to "political agendas."
I have a call into the coach to get his side of the story. I promise I will
share it with you.
Thanks,
"AC"
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:20:36 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: USA 3, Finland 2 (Game Report)
www.usahockey.com:
1998 U.S. Women's Select Team
Downs Finland, 3-2, At Three Nations
Cup
KUORTANE, Finland (December 11, 1998)
Forwards Karyn Bye (River Falls, Wis.) and
Jenny Schmidgall (Edina, Minn.) each scored one
goal and had one assist to lead the United
States
Women's Select Team to a 3-2 victory against
host Finland at the 1998 Three Nations Cup here
Friday evening. The tournament, which features
the three medalists from the XVIII Olympic
Winter
Games - the United States, Canada and Finland -
is the first international women's ice hockey
competition since the Winter Games in Nagano,
Japan.
The U.S. took advantage of a power-play
opportunity early in the first period as
forward
Krissy Wendell (Brooklyn Park, Minn.) converted
on a pass from defenseman Sue Merz
(Greenwich, Conn.) and Bye at 4:19.
Finland responded as forward Petra Vaarakallio
beat U.S. goaltender Lauren Goldstein (Milton,
Mass.) at 7:54 of the first period to knot the
score
at 1-1.
Karoliina Ranatamaki gave Finland its only lead
of
the game as she combined with Vaarakallio to
pull
Finland ahead, 2-1, at 15:21 of the second
period.
Less than one minute later, Bye, who was named
the Player of the Game, took a pass from
Schmidgall at the blue line, beat two Finnish
defenders and goaltender Tuula Puputti to tie
the
score, 2-2, at 16:09.
"Karyn's game-tying goal was very significant,"
said U.S. Head Coach Julie Sasner (Madison,
Wis.). "It really gave us momentum. We were
able
to take the lead and then play solid, defensive
hockey to neutralize Finland's top scorers in
the
third period."
Schmidgall sealed the victory for the U.S. only
:56
into the final stanza as she took a feed from
defenseman Catherine Hanson (Marquette,
Mich.) to make the final score 3-2.
Goldstein turned aside 16 shots to earn the
victory,
while Puputti made 23 saves in the losing
effort.
The U.S., now 1-1-0 in the tournament, returns
to
action Monday against Canada, with faceoff set
for
6:30 p.m. local time (11:30 a.m. Eastern time).
SCORING SUMMARY
United States 1 1 1 3
Finland 1 1 0 2
First period -- Scoring: 1, USA, Wendell (Merz,
Bye),
4:19. 2, FIN, Vaarakallio (Fisk, Rantamaki),
7:54.
Second period -- Scoring: 3, FIN, Rantamaki
(Vaarakallio), 15:21. 4, USA, Bye (Schmidgall),
16:09.
Third period -- Scoring: 5, USA, Schmidgall
(Hanson,
Bye), :56.
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:20:14 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: what would you do
In a message dated 12/11/98 11:32:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< I am curious why it is necessary to find a replacement for a derogatory
name at all. Why do we need to call someone a name to motivate them? What is
with all these coaches writing in to say they wouldn't say "pussy" but they
would use something less offensive? Is this what your clinics to earn your
coaching certificate recommended? I doubt it. >>
I don't usually find it necessary at all to call my players derogatory names
to motivate them. There are those times when more drastic measures are needed
and every coach out there knows this. To be PERFECTLY honest, when my
youngsters seem to be holding back on the ice I tend to tell them that they
look like "Figure Skaters" and that motivates them enough. They know exactly
what that means and the minute they hear it they get more aggressive.
As far as where I got my Coaching Certification, I am certified at the
Advanced Level from USA Hockey and the vast majority of my coaching clinics
have been ran by Universities and University Coaches. I had the great honor
of being taught by Miami University's Head Coach Mark Mazzolenni, Bill Davidge
- - Scout, Mitch Korn - Goalie Coach for the Buffalo Sabres, currently with the
Nashville Predators and Joe Bonnett - Miami U Asst. Coach. I also play for a
Senior Women's travel team coached by John Wiedeman, IHL Cincinnati Cyclones
Broadcaster and a Coach with many, many years of experience.
If you ever get into coaching, you will quickly learn that this is NO place
for the faint of heart or thin skinned.
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:47:24 -0600
From: "Craig Roberts"
Subject: GOPHER IN FINLAND
For Immediate Release December 11, 1998
SCHMIDGALL SCORES WINNER FOR TEAM USA AT THREE NATIONS CUP
KUORTANE, Finland--First-year forward Jenny Schmidgall (Edina, Minn./Edina)
scored 56 seconds into the third period to give the United States Women's Select
Team a 3-2 win over Finland in second game of the Three Nations Cup.
The tournament, which features the three medalists from the XVIII Olympic Winter
Games, the United States, Canada and Finland, is the first international women's
ice hockey competition since the Winter Games in Nagano, Japan.
Schmidgall, the leading scorer in college hockey with 25 points in nine games,
set up Karyn Bye to tie the game at 2-2 with 3:51 left in the second period
before scoring the game-winner.
The U.S., now 1-1-0 in the tournament, returns to action Monday against Canada,
with faceoff set for 10:30 a.m. CST.
SCORING SUMMARY
USA 1 1 1 -- 3
Finland 1 1 0 -- 2
First Period--1, USA, Wendell (Merz, Bye), 4:19. 2, FIN, Vaarakallio (Fisk,
Rantamaki), 7:54.
Second Period--3, FIN, Rantamaki (Vaarakallio), 15:21. 4, USA, Bye (Schmidgall),
16:09.
Third Period--5, USA, Schmidgall (Hanson, Bye), :56.
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Craig Roberts, University of Minnesota
Assistant Sports Information Director
Check out the Gophers on the Web at http://www.gophersports.com
Or call the Diet Coke Gopher Sports Hotline at (612) 626-STAT
GO GOPHERS!
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:52:38 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: On a side note
<< And I'm similarly offended by the 50's style of coach who cleverly tries to
spur his boys' team on to action by referring to them as "girls". >>
A related story...
A few games ago, as my team was getting ready for the opening faceoff, our
coach called us over to the bench. We normally do our team ritual thing, but
this time he had something extra to say. He told us to ignore the dress that
the other team- a boys team- had hung on their bench. Ok, so I play the game
and pay no attention to the dress. We win, 8-1. Back in the locker room
after the game's over, our coach told us that the coach of the other team hung
the dress to motivate his players, and that if they lost the game they would
have to wear the dress to our next matchup.
I personally took no offense to the dress. What other people say about me
doesn't matter. I feel bad for the boys' team, though, for having such a rude
and unsportsmanlike coach. The dress was was much more demeaning than
motivating, and something should have been done to the coach for his actions.
But of course, nothing was.
Amy
# 34 Gold Coast Panthers
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