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Women-in-Hockey Digest Thursday, December 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 328
In this issue:
1998 Christmas-Cup now in Germany
What would you do?
USA vs. Canada
Re: USA vs. Canada - RESULTS
WOMEN'S HOCKEY STATISTICS
Re: What would you do?
Re: What would you do?
Re: What would you do?
RE: What would you do?
re:what would you do
Canada/USA Report and Summary
Re: what would you do
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:18:07 +0100
From: Nick Heim
Subject: 1998 Christmas-Cup now in Germany
Hello,
The 1998 Christmas-Cup was supposed to be played in Russia. Due to
uncertain organisational conditions the german and swiss icehockey
federation cancelled their trip to Russia.
Germany is now organising a substitutional tournament in Unna (near
Dortmund). The following teams are participating: Germany, Switzerland and
Canada U22. The game/practice schedule is as follows:
Fri. 25.12. 08:00-09:00 Training Canada
18:00 Germany - Canada
Sat. 26.12. 09:30-10:15 Training Canada
10:30-11:45 Training Germany
18:00 Canada - Switzerland
Sun. 27.12. 08:30-09:15 Training Germany
09:30-10:15 Training Switzerland
10:30-11:45 Training Canada
18:00 Germany - Switzerland
Mon. 28.12. 08:30-09:15 Training Canada
09:30-10:15 Training Germany
10:30-11:45 Training Switzerland
18:00 Canada - Germany
Thu. 29.12. 08:30-09:15 Training Switzerland
09:30-10:15 Training Canada
10:30-11:45 Training Germany
18:00 Switzerland - Canada
Wen. 30.12. 09:30-10:15 Training Switzerland
10:30-11:15 Training Germany
18:00 Switzerland - Germany
Nick
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:17:12 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: What would you do?
I am considering writing an article about this for the next issue of Blades &
Trades. Here is the scenario: An assistant coach calls a kid "a pussy" during
a practice. The kid's grandfather is the CFO of the hockey association and
orchestrates the dismissal of the coach. What's your take on this? What
would you do?
I personally know this coach and he was an assistant of mine at one time. I'm
certain that he was using the word "pussy" in a motivational sense (i.e.,
"suck it up" or "get your butt moving). Personally, I'm having a tough time
with this one . . . I'd like to hear everyone's comments.
Please be advised that your comments may be published in the next issue.
Also, could you please advise whether you are a coach, player, board member or
parent etc.
Thanks,
"AC"
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:21:39 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: USA vs. Canada
Any results from Finland yet? When's game time?
Hope somebody'll be posting updates...
Phil, Victoria, BC
Phil and Debbie: ICQ #5997159.
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:06:51 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: USA vs. Canada - RESULTS
In a message dated 98-12-10 15:34:16 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< Any results from Finland yet? When's game time?
Hope somebody'll be posting updates...
Phil, Victoria, BC >>
OH! Canada! Or more like OIY! Canada.........
Canada 2, USA 1...........
It doesn;t matter, WE have the gold!! :-)
I found the reults on the USA Hockey webapage.
www.usahockey.com
From the opening page, click on the HEADLINES, 1998 3 nations cup, and then
VOILA!
Hope this helps.....
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
# 77 Long Island Hurricanes
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:30:46 -0600
From: "Craig Roberts"
Subject: WOMEN'S HOCKEY STATISTICS
The 1998-99 national statistics for women's hockey are now updated and can be
found on the Gopher Web Site at:
http://www.gophersports.com/sportsNews/press_release.asp?news_id=273&sport_id=wH
ock&sport_name=Hockey
- --------------------------------------
Craig Roberts, University of Minnesota
Assistant Sports Information Director
Check out the Gophers on the Web at http://www.gophersports.com
Or call the Diet Coke Gopher Sports Hotline at (612) 626-STAT
GO GOPHERS!
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:19:47 -0800
From: email@hidden (Jill Wilkens)
Subject: Re: What would you do?
email@hidden,Internet writes:
>I am considering writing an article about this for the next issue of
>Blades &
>Trades. Here is the scenario: An assistant coach calls a kid "a pussy"
>during
>a practice. The kid's grandfather is the CFO of the hockey association
>and
>orchestrates the dismissal of the coach. What's your take on this?
>What
>would you do?
>I personally know this coach and he was an assistant of mine at one
>time. I'm
>certain that he was using the word "pussy" in a motivational sense
>(i.e.,
>"suck it up" or "get your butt moving). Personally, I'm having a tough
>time
>with this one . . . I'd like to hear everyone's comments.
>Please be advised that your comments may be published in the next issue.
>Also, could you please advise whether you are a coach, player, board
>member or
>parent etc.
I think you're probably opening a can of worms.... ;-)
I understand how you would be having a tough time with this. I'm sure
you're right that he *meant* to use the word in a motivational sense.
However, despite his good intentions, "pussy" is a very derogatory
term, especially to women, and particularly the way he used it. It
implies that only a man or a "real man" would be able to do this thing.
Is this the kind of language and attitude we want to teach our
children? Kids pick up on all the subtle things we say and do. By
using a derogatory term such as "pussy" in front of children, and
particularly *toward* children, we are teaching them that this term,
and others like it, are ok to use. We are also teaching them that the
attitude that fostered this term is correct. Any adult who is teaching
our children needs to be very careful about what kinds of terms they
use for motivation or anything else. If this particular coach meant
"suck it up" or "get your butt moving," then that's what he should have
said. I *do* think that this coach did something wrong and something
not to be taken lightly.
The flip side of the issue is whether or not the coach deserved to be
dismissed from his position. Does this coach have a history of
speaking in this manner to children? Does he understand the severity
of his words? Did the grandfather, CFO, speak to this coach before
orchestrating the dismissal and did he have the true backing of the
association and the parents before following through? These are
questions I would want to have answered before I agreed on the severity
of the discipline. I think if the coach was known for speaking this
way, or if he showed no remorse or understanding for what he had said,
then dismissal was appropriate. But this coach is human and humans
make mistakes. If he understands the severity of the issue and
promised to work to make the learning environment better for the kids,
then maybe it would have been better to put him on some sort of
probation.
Well, that's my off-the-cuff opinion on your question. I'm curious to
read what others think.
- -Jill Wilkens
player, NCWHL (Northern California Women's Hockey League)
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:00:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Jessica Yeo
Subject: Re: What would you do?
Just my little bit of input: I really don't think it
matters whether or not it was said as more of a
motivational thing. The matter of fact is the word he
used should not be said to anyone. I play Midget
hockey, and some of the language here is attrocious
(spelling??). Ill admit freely, that I do say things
sometimes, but it's even worse to go from coach to
kid, and between people on the same team.
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:09:06 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: What would you do?
re: "pussy" comment to "motivate"? I can personally think of at least 5 other
words in the English language that could motivate without using a derogatory
(read: coarse, uneducated, low class) term for a part of female anatomy. You
don't mention what age of children the coach used this term with, but whether
they are aware of the full context of the term or not is irrelevant. The coach
models behaviour, kids learn it and mimick, and so the offensive term lives
on. I don't think I would get on a bandwagon to oust him(?) over one issue,
but a pattern of misogynist comments and general attitude of disrespect to
girls and women would have me thinking twice about rehiring him for a second
season. And this is a relevant issue whether the children coached are boys or
girls.
I am a player in a women's league and also play pick up with the guys.
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 01:12:44 +0100
From: "Smart, Cheryl MAJ"
Subject: RE: What would you do?
You wrote...
"...An assistant coach calls a kid "a pussy" during
a practice. The kid's grandfather is the CFO of the hockey association and
orchestrates the dismissal of the coach. What's your take on this? What
would you do?"
I'm with the kid's grandfather. At the very least, the guy should be
suspended for the season. And apologize publically. Not only is "pussy"
terrible language to use in front of a kid, but it is completely
unacceptable to imply that the ultimate insult for a poor performer is to be
called a very nasty term for a female. There is no way this is an isolated
incident. Adults don't just "accidently", out of frustration, call a kid a
"pussy". He's got to be pretty darn familiar with the term.
Background: I'm a player, a player's Mom, and a coach. I've also got 15
years' military experience, most of it training and developing young adults.
This guy needs some real re-education.
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:17:21 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: re:what would you do
I don't contribute too often to the list, but lurk and read often. I am going
to add my two cents here though. I think people are reading too much into the
comment by the coach. The term "pussy" in this case refers to pussycat as
opposed to tiger. Although I don't know what the coach meant, as none of us
do, I suspect he/she was challenging their player to pick up their game and
skate through adversity, missed calls or even cheap shots, don't cry for
justice just play on. None of us are perfect and the things we say aren't
always understood the way we meant them by others. I think we need less
bandwagons and thicker skins.
Tom Scanlon
Minneapolis, MN
Coach of Sharpshooters! womens hockey team
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:22:34 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Canada/USA Report and Summary
Shamelessly nicked from the US Hockey Site:
1998 U.S. Women's Select Team Falls
To Canada, 2-1, In Opening Game of
Three Nations Cup
KUORTANE, Finland (December 10, 1998) ÷
The 1998 United States Women's Select Team fell
to Canada, 2-1, in the first game for both
teams at
the 1998 Three Nations Cup here Wednesday
evening. The tournament, which features the
three
medalists from the XVIII Olympic Winter Games -
the United States, Canada and Finland - is the
first
international women's ice hockey competition
since the Winter Games in Nagano, Japan.
In a defensive battle that saw both teams held
scoreless through the first two periods,
Danielle
Goyette broke the deadlock and put Canada
ahead, 1-0, on a power-play goal at 5:44 of the
third period.
Team USA responded at 16:04 of the third period
as forward Katie King (Salem, N.H.) beat
Canadian goaltender Sami-Jo Small on a solo
end-to-end rush to even the score at 1-1.
With only :20 remaining in the game, Mairlan Le
slipped the puck past U.S. netminder Sara
DeCosta (Warwick, R.I.) to seal the victory for
Canada.
"There was no shortage of effort on our part
tonight," said U.S. Head Coach Julie Sasner
(Madison, Wis.). "It was a very tight, evenly
played
game. The 11 Olympians and nine newcomers
played well together and Sara DeCosta was a
defensive standout in goal. We are looking
toward
our next game, against Finland, with a very
positive
attitude."
The game marked the first meeting of the two
teams since the gold-medal game of XVIII
Olympic
Winter Games, in which the U.S. downed Canada,
3-1, to capture the first-ever gold medal in
Olympic
women's ice hockey competition.
The U.S. returns to action tomorrow against
Finland, with faceoff set for 6:30 p.m. local
time
(11:30 a.m. Eastern time).
SCORING SUMMARY
United States 0 0 1 ÷ 1
Canada 0 0 2 ÷ 2
First period -- Scoring: None. Penalties:
Darwitz, USA
(hooking), 2:20; Nystrom, CAN (high sticking),
5:12;
Pounder, CAN (charging), 6:37; Hanson, USA
(hooking),
10:33; Luhowy, CAN (hick sticking), 12:57;
Rivard, CAN
(tripping), 17:07.
Second period -- Scoring: None. Penalties:
Hefford, CAN
(hooking), 8:47; Sunohara, CAN (boarding),
12:28;
Granato, USA (hooking), 15:03.
Third period -- Scoring: 1, CAN, Goyette
(Smith), 5:44
(pp). 2, USA, King (unassisted), 16:04. 3, CAN,
Le
(Dupuis), 19:40. Penalties: Wendell, USA (high
sticking),
:32; Sunohara, CAN (roughing), 3:53; Bye, USA
(high
sticking), 3:53; Hanson, USA (hooking), 5:10;
Darwitz,
USA (too many players), 8:31; Pounder, CAN
(holding),
7:30; Brisson, CAN (cross checking), 11:10;
Granato,
USA (high sticking), 19:58.
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:39:46 -0800
From: Chuck Collins
Subject: Re: what would you do
Tom Scanlon wrote:
> I don't contribute too often to the list, but lurk and read often. I am going
> to add my two cents here though. I think people are reading too much into the
> comment by the coach. The term "pussy" in this case refers to pussycat as
> opposed to tiger. Although I don't know what the coach meant, as none of us
> do, I suspect he/she was challenging their player to pick up their game and
> skate through adversity, missed calls or even cheap shots, don't cry for
> justice just play on. None of us are perfect and the things we say aren't
> always understood the way we meant them by others. I think we need less
> bandwagons and thicker skins.
I agree with your last sentence wholeheartedly. I think you might be sugar-
coating the derivation, however.
As someone who spends a lot of time on the ice with youth hockey players,
there are a couple of facts:
1) Kids swear, and use foul language.
2) The word in question is probably in the all-North America top 5 of
hockey perjoratives, Pee Wee and up, usually syntactically linked
with the holy mother of curse words as a form of address. Volunteer
to open the penalty box door of a boys' midget game if you want to hear
the term correctly employed.
So in my experience, kids will use this term and similar among themselves
and to opponents, and trying to stop it is wasted effort. The term was
certainly in common usage when I was in fourth grade. It's used to mean
someone who walks or runs away from a fight, and I'll be willing to bet
99.9% of boys don't think about felines when they use it.
What seems more likely to me is that this coach used a term that the
kids use among themselves, maybe as shock value, maybe to be mean. Who
knows.
At the very most, talk to the coach and say that it was inappropriate.
Don't do it again. End of issue. Face reality.
There's a rule in USA Hockey that "racial or ethnic slurs" are game
misconduct offenses. When we talk about offensive terms, if I ever hear
a male player or coach referring to a female player, official or coach
using the four letter word beginning with "C", I'd be happy to apply the
racial slur rule and I'd go happily before a penalty review board to defend
that action. Pam Postema is a woman who tried to make it as a major league
baseball umpire, and she admitted that that one word was the one that
always bought the user a game ejection.
And I'm similarly offended by the 50's style of coach who cleverly tries to
spur his boys' team on to action by referring to them as "girls".
But dismissal for calling someone a "pussy" is way overboard.
- - Chuck Collins
P. S. "AC" please don't quote me.
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