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Women-in-Hockey Digest Thursday, April 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 187
In this issue:
Re: women's equipment
Thanks for the advice!
Re: Women's Equipment
Re: Dressing room dilemma
RE: Dressing Room Dilemma
Easton equipment
The Game of Her Life (Again)
Re: Dressing Room Delimma
Re: The Game of Her Life (Again)
Re: The Game of Her Life (Again)
Re: The Game of Her Life (Again)
Re: women's equipment
Women's Equipment
Dressing Room Dilmena
Re: The Game of Her Life (Again)
Re: Dressing Room Dilmena
Dressing room dilemma and womens' equipment
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Date: 15 Apr 98 13:27:28 PDT (Wed)
From: Chuck Collins
Subject: Re: women's equipment
Wendy wrote:
> I finally saw some women's shoulder pads yesterday and I was shocked to
> see how thin they were! These were Louisville pads, and while I did like
> the way the chest plate fit, I couldn't imagine going out there and
> playing with such thin padding on my arms, chest, and back.
Good post.
We just went through this in my house last year. My 13-year-old daughter
plays boys' Pee Wee, and she must have tried on 30 different styles of pads.
She finally settled on a pair of women's Bauer, but I was not happy. What
I really wanted to see her wear were the Louisville (boys) body armor, but she
hated them. All of the women's gear I saw was too flimsy for serious hockey.
I also am a baseball umpire, and there's been good-quality women's gear
available for female umpires for a long time.
- - Chuck Collins
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:13:55 -0400
From: "dduda"
Subject: Thanks for the advice!
Hi everyone,
Thanks so much for the quick responses and all the advice. I should have
mentioned a few more things in my post, such as the fact that I always wear
shorts and a t-shirt and never strip down further than that, no matter
whether I am changing alone, in front of girls or in front of guys.
I think the best thing to do is to ask the guys whether they mind if I
change with them or not. If anyone is uncomfortable, I will get my own
locker room. It really is best to start out changing with them rather than
change alone, then decide to share a locker room. I have been in an adult
zamboni league for 3 years now (i.e. I am the only female) and I have
always changed in a seperate locker room. I wouldn't dream of sharing a
locker room with the guys now because that's the way it has always been.
But the zamboni league is different because we're not on a "team". It's
more of an instructional thing, then we split up and scrimmage at the end.
When I started playing hockey, I was in an intramural league at college and
we had to change in the lobby of the rink because we played at midnight or
later and all the locker rooms were locked by that time. If any of the guys
had to strip down further than their shorts, they went into the bathroom.
Then came out and finished changing with the team. I still can't believe
how accepting they were of me changing with them - these were 19 - 21 year
old guys! They were great! I just hope these new guys will be as accepting
of me.
Thanks again for all the responses. I really appreciate hearing from other
people in my same situation. Wish us luck! Somehow I always seem to get on
the teams that are battling for the basement!
Diane
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:59:40 -0400
From: "dduda"
Subject: Re: Women's Equipment
Very good post. I completely agree with you about women's equipment not
being padded enough. When I was shopping around for new shoulder pads a
year ago, I tried on some Louisville Women's shoulder pads. I was surprised
at how flimsy they were - not to mention the fact that the chest part
didn't fit all that well (not everyone has a size D chest!) I finally
settled on a pair of Bauer Flak Men's small shoulder pads. They were the
ones that had the most padding as well as fitting me good. I am very happy
with them. But now, I face another challenge - which I don't think will be
as tough as the shoulder pads. I am thinking of changing my pants because
they aren't padded enough! (A good, deep bruise that left me unable to sit
for 3 weeks because essentially my whole thigh was black made me take a
closer look at how padded the pants were). I tried on a pair of DR Storm
women's pants in Canada a few weeks ago and was very surprised at how
nicely padded they were. I am especially looking for the continuous padding
from front to back on the thigh area. Bauer is supposed to come out with
some women's equipment as well as Itech.
As a side note, when I practiced with a women's team a few weeks ago, I was
surprised to see that I was the only one wearing a mouth guard! I am very
lucky I had gotten it two years ago when I had those 3 minor concussions in
the zamboni league I am in. I am sure they would have been much worse if I
hadn't had a mouth guard in. And one of those concussions, I can thank
myself for - running into a cement wall full speed ahead (the whole rink
does not have glass - there is a portion that is a cement wall).
I don't know who Bauer had interviewed but in my opinion, I want to most
protection I can get without inhibiting my movement on the ice. I think
they might want to take another survey. We'll see soon enough when their
women's equipment comes out this summer.
Diane
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:30:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hester Groenevelt
Subject: Re: Dressing room dilemma
Hi Diane,
I am not comfortable with changing with guys, plus the shower area is
usually just a large common area (no individual showers) where it would be
impossible for me to shower. Most rinks will let women change in the
referees' rooms, which have a shower plus don't smell as bad as the regular
change rooms! Gets cosy though if there are a few of you in there. If I
can't get a ref's room I change in the rink's women's bathroom and put my
skates on on the bench.
I miss being able to talk about the game with someone while changing
afterwards, but I play with guys from work, and apparently they mostly talk
about work! That I don't need.
Hester
> My question is, do I
>share a locker room with 18 or 20 guys (most likely adult guys although I
>am not sure of the age ranges) or do I choose to change in my own room?
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:57:43 -0700
From: email@hidden (Jen Hannum)
Subject: RE: Dressing Room Dilemma
I also have played in a co-ed league and now play in a mens league. I have
found as long as the men are adults they don't seem to have a problem with
sharing a locker room. I usually strip down to my sports bra and boxers and
then use the bathroom to change the rest of the way. They do the same (minus
the sports bra). Some of the younger guys (24 and younger) stare on occasion
but if I see it happening, I just make fun of them in front of everyone else
and that usually cures the problem.
So basically, don't worry about them and what they think. You are a part of
the team and they will all adjust. Good luck!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:42:47 +0000
From: "Curt Koman"
Subject: Easton equipment
FYI......Easton is closing out their '97 inventory. I have a list of
what's on closeout special. If any of you have been looking for
any Easton gear, drop me a note privately and I can tell you if
it is on the list.
Curt Koman, President
KoSports Hockey and Soccer
426 E. Pike Street
Canonsburg, PA 15317
724-745-5801
724-873-5755 fax
email@hidden
web page: www.KoSports.com
1 mile south of the Pittsburgh Penguins Iceoplex Facility
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:07:55 -0700
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: The Game of Her Life (Again)
I note that CBC is showing "The Game of Her Life" again, on Monday, April 20
at 7 pm (Pacific). This could be the "final" version, with additional
footage from the Olympics, but I'm not sure.
Phil, Victoria, BC
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:10:53 -0500
From: widget
Subject: Re: Dressing Room Delimma
> If you feel you must respond with SOMETHING to
> counter a locker room Beavis/Butthead, anything to do with tampax usually
> leaves them speechless and/or scrambling for the door .
When I first started in a men's league here, I used to keep my money,
etc. in a clear plastic bag with tampax and pads in it. I never worried about
having anything stolen! Such a small, unassuming item with such tremendous
power over men. . . .
Cheers,
Lea
- --
*********
"Sometimes you have to look reality in the eye
and deny it." --- Garrison Keillor
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:54:07 -0700
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Re: The Game of Her Life (Again)
Hi Shari:
>Anyone know if this is being shown in the US, or if it will be available on
>videotape anytime soon? I'd love to see this, but I'm not in Canada.
The National Film Board is supposed to have a video for sale very shortly
(including Olympic footage). There's a NFB office in the States (New York
City, I think) and you may not be able to order directly from Canada. But
I'm sure someone could order it for you and send it to you. Or maybe I could
tape it and send it to you at cost (for the tape and postage). E-mail me
privately if you want to discuss.
Phil, Victoria, BC (email@hidden)
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:28:17 +0000
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
Subject: Re: The Game of Her Life (Again)
Phil & Debbie Cottrell wrote:
> The National Film Board is supposed to have a video for sale very shortly
> (including Olympic footage)... E-mail me
> privately if you want to discuss.
>
> Phil, Victoria, BC (email@hidden)
>
You can get info about the film from NFB's web site. The order page
includes the caveat that all films may not be available. The link to
the US office indicates that the film is not available.
The NFB home page...
http://www.nfb.ca
The page about the film...
http://www.onf.ca/FMT/E/MSN/35/35449.html
Lyle
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:46:44 -0700
From: Liz Johnson
Subject: Re: The Game of Her Life (Again)
I have also heard that the video comes with trading cards!!!
Can't remember all of them though, St. Louis, James and Miller are all that
come to mind.
Liz
#6
At 07:28 AM 4/16/98 +0000, Lyle Anderson wrote:
>Phil & Debbie Cottrell wrote:
>
>> The National Film Board is supposed to have a video for sale very shortly
>> (including Olympic footage)... E-mail me
>> privately if you want to discuss.
>>
>> Phil, Victoria, BC (email@hidden)
>>
>
>You can get info about the film from NFB's web site. The order page
>includes the caveat that all films may not be available. The link to
>the US office indicates that the film is not available.
>
>The NFB home page...
>
>http://www.nfb.ca
>
>The page about the film...
>
>http://www.onf.ca/FMT/E/MSN/35/35449.html
>
>Lyle
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:44:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Wendy R. Painter"
Subject: Re: women's equipment
On 15 Apr 1998, Chuck Collins wrote:
> We just went through this in my house last year. My 13-year-old daughter
> plays boys' Pee Wee, and she must have tried on 30 different styles of pads.
> She finally settled on a pair of women's Bauer, but I was not happy. What
> I really wanted to see her wear were the Louisville (boys) body armor, but she
> hated them. All of the women's gear I saw was too flimsy for serious hockey.
Well...as I told a few others who responded to me privately, I hope I'm
not coming across as thinking that equipment is a panacea -- I know
injuries are still going to happen. But it seems that marketing equipment
to women that some people wouldn't put a teenage boy into (because it
wasn't "protective enough") doesn't make sense. I guess some women are
about the size of pre-teen boys, but not many of us. And we sure have
more body mass than most pre-teen boys, which would seem to merit
equipment that would take the stress of that body mass.
I've had a number of private reponses, and a few women have recommended
the CCM women's shoulder pads to me. I look forward to seeing them
whenever I might have the opportunity, and I will certainly post a
follow-up to this if the CCMs appear to offer more protection than the
Louisville pads I saw.
Thanks for all the responses!
Wendy Painter
email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:17:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: LM
Subject: Women's Equipment
"Wendy R. Painter" wrote:
<>
I have the Louisville women's pads, and I love them. Don't equate thin
and light with lack of protection. I've worn the Louisvilles when I've
played with men's teams and with my women's team. They work great. They
are hard and do protect you, but they are also light. I wore Douglas pads
for the first four years that I played (the ones that look like football
shoulder pads) and these are no less protective than the Douglas pads, and
they fit me a billion times better.
<>
It must have something to do with the area of the country you're in.
Here, men are much less prone to wear full equipment. Many men here wear
no shield or half sheilds and I've only seen one woman in our women's
league who wears less than a full shield. Also, I see far more women
wearing mouth guards than men.
<>
I don't know. But, most women I know are still wearing men's equipment
becuase women's is just not that available.
<< Do women elsewhere, where women's leagues are common, really scrimp on
equipment?>>
Absolutely not here in Chicago.
<>
You wouldn't be in the minority here.
<>
I think you're underestimating the protectiveness of the equipment you've
seen.
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:23:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: LM
Subject: Dressing Room Dilmena
I've gone both ways on the dressing room. Personally, I was more
comfortable just dressing by myself. It wasn't that I was embarrased. In
fact, dressing by myself meant dressing out in an open area so I always
wore stuff underneath my equipment, and those wet things I changed out of
in a public bathroom down the hall. I just didn't relish hanging in a
dressing room with 15 sweaty, belching, farting, smelly guys that talked
about how drunk they got the night before, the latest Bears loss, how
pissed off at their wives they were, how horny they were, etc.
Laura
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:41:41 -0700
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Re: The Game of Her Life (Again)
To Megan and all who wrote:
I probably shouldn't have forwarded my reply to Shari to the list as a
whole. I'm not in a position to make multiple copies of tapes (and I'd
probably catch hell from the NFB if I did). Sorry!
Phil, Victoria, BC
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:46:00 -0700
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Re: Dressing Room Dilmena
Laura said:
>I just didn't relish hanging in a dressing room with 15 sweaty, belching,
>farting, smelly guys that talked about how drunk they got the night
>before, the latest Bears loss, how pissed off at their wives they were,
>how horny they were, etc.
I'd forgotten that women's teams never consume alcohol to excess or sweat or
pass wind or follow sports or have relationship problems or speak of their
sexual proclivities.
Glad we got that cleared up!
Phil
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:07:34 +400
From: "Winglab"
Subject: Dressing room dilemma and womens' equipment
Hi
I'm on a co-ed team with one other girl and we ususally
have our own dressing room, if not we either change in the
bathroom or in hte first aid room. I'm not sure if I would
feel comfortable dressing with the guys considering that
most of them are married and such and I just wouldn't
that's all. Actually, we were never given any other option
but to dress separately, but i tell you if i had to dress
with the guys, I'd do it in a jiffy comfy or not about the
situation. Whatever it takes to play!ASIA
And on the other note about shoulder pads, I have a
pair of flimsy Bauers and I was the one who ended up with
the stinger at the end of the season!Next season I will
definitely have a better pair of shoulder pads. When I was
buying all my equipment, the male sercice clerk just kept
on throwing stuff at me while saying here, just take these,
in a non-checking league you won't need anything
more.....WRONG! So, beware, buy the most protection you can
get without giving up too much comfort and ease of
movement, believe me, some good hits are harder to come
back from than others. Hope this helps, ASIA
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