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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 590
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
by Laurie Solgon
2) Re: WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 575
by email@hidden (jil nelson kaplan)
3) Re: Visors
by email@hidden
4) Brand
by Jessica Yeo
5) RE: Visors
by Eric Benson
6) Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
by email@hidden
7) Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
by Tina JW Danzig
8) Re: Brand
by email@hidden
9) RE: Visors
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
10) Re: Women's Hockey
by Val Schmitt
11) Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
by email@hidden
12) Re: Visors
by email@hidden
13) Part 3 of Re: Women's Hockey
by Tina JW Danzig
14) Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
by Tina JW Danzig
15) Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
by email@hidden
16) Re: Visors
by email@hidden
17) Re: Mississauga Girls Hockey
by Lynn Witkowski
18) Re: Help in Changing Girls Ages....
by email@hidden
19) Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
by Tina JW Danzig
20) Re: Help in Changing Girls Ages....
by Laurie Solgon
21) Visors vs. Cages
by email@hidden
22) Memphis, TN
by Jan de Regt
23) Re[2]: WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 575
by Jan de Regt
24) Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
by email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:05:39 -0700 (MST)
From: Laurie Solgon
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
Message-ID:
Tina and group,
They started a girl's team of mixed ages in Phoenix. I have left my
name and phone # with different people who have passed it on to the team
managers, but they never call me. This has been going on for over 5
months. So unfortunately, it they build it, they may not return your
call. I would have to drive my daughter up to Phoenix at un-Godly hours,
but I wanted her to see what it was like playing with girls. There is a
women's team in Tucson, but I've been told that my daugher was too young
for this one.
What bothered me the most was that the girl's team in Phoenix has no
one to play. So they came down here one day to play one of our Bantam
house teams. I watched the girls as they took the ice and the body
language and attitude of most but not all of the girls was "Hey look at
me! I'm hot s--- because I play hockey. After seeing this, I thought
maybe I didn't want her playing on this team.
I know that in places like Minnesota where there is a ton of girls
hockey, this is probably not a problem. Of course there will always be
egos, in both women and men. But I'd rather have my daughter get a good
hockey experience, than play with other girls that have to make sure all
of their makeup is on right before they take the ice. BTW, the girls team
lost.
Laurie Solgon
On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Tina JW Danzig wrote:
> Laurie,
>
> Thanks for the nice message. I just got off the phone with Karen Lungren
> (sp), who is head of women's hockey at USA Hockey. We had a nice
> discussion about ages of girls in hockey. She is leaving for the Congress
> tomorrow, and promises to "throw into the pot" my ideas on having the ages
> for girls playing in coed leagues be the same as for girls playing in girls
> leagues. She does not hold out much promise that anything will change, but
> at least USA Hockey will have to take a look at it. Made me feel pretty
> good that what I'm trying to accomplish will be discussed.
>
> She also told me to try to put together a girls team in our area. She said
> that just like in a Field Of Dreams, when they said, "If you build it, they
> will come." If you make it available to the young girls, a team will
> follow. I'm sure she's probably right. But, like she said, most of the
> young girls will have little to no skills, so kids like my daughter, who
> play successfully with the elite boys, will have to continue to play on a
> boys team, and also help out on the newly formed girls teams. Otherwise
> they will be too bored and fall further behind the boys. But at least it
> will bring more girls into hockey.
>
> Tina
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:12:06 -0400
From: email@hidden (jil nelson kaplan)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 575
Message-ID:
Does anyone have a copy of the NYTimes article that appeared this past
spring about women and ice hockey? I have been looking for it for some
time. It was a front page article.
Thanks
Jil
Jil Nelson Kaplan
email@hidden
"Some people are always grumbling because roses have thorns.
I am thankful thorns have roses."
-- Alphonse Karr (1808 - 90) Fr. journalist and novelist
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 97 15:49:13 -0800
From: email@hidden
To:
Subject: Re: Visors
Message-ID:
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:10:16 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Jessica Yeo
> I've been looking at visors, but I'm not sure what one to get.
> Which one would probably be better
My daughter has had both an Itech and CCM Full Mask. She likes
the unobstructed view she gets from the clear plastic. She has
found that the CCM one fits her better. The chin rest is better
placed and can be adjusted to fit her, unlike the Itech one.
Also the chin rest placement on the CCM does not obscure your
vision as much as the Itech one does. If taken care of, it
doesn't scratch too easily. But a stick or puck hitting the
plastic will cause damage.
It is dry in California, so we do not have problems with fogging,
but she has used it back east without much problem. We learned
an old Scuba trick for keeping diving masks clear that work on
hockey masks as well, and cheap to boot...
Spit on the inside of the mask and wash the spit around then
rinse with clear water, dry. Sounds strange, but it works.
Peggy
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:46:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jessica Yeo
To: email@hidden
Subject: Brand
Message-ID:
I almost have my mind made up. I think I'm going to get a top visor
with bottom cage. Now, which brand is best? I've had recommendations
for CCM and Itech. What is the biggest difference between these two
brands?
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:26:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Eric Benson
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Visors
Message-ID:
Jessica said:
>
> I've been looking at visors, but I'm not sure what one to get. Which
> one
> would probably be better, the all clear, or the clear with cage at the
> bottom? Is there a specific brand that's really good? What about the
> best defogger?
> Jess Yeo
> #4
Jess,
I have both a full Itech shield and a half shield. I only wear the
half shield for very low level games (and even then, I really shouldn't be
using it, I happen to like my dental work where it is); the full
shield is used for everything else (rollerhockey, full contact,
non-check, pickup, whatever). Having said that, I wouldn't buy
another full shield, when this one gets too scratched up, it will be
replaced with a cage. I wear glasses, with the full Itech, it just fogs
up too much, especially on the high humidity days. I've been using a
cage recently, the cage bars don't bother me as much as the two layers of
fog do.
-Eric
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:29:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
Message-ID:
Ouch, any player who leaves their feet and causes a change of possession by
way of contact should be penalized.
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:07:48 -0400
From: Tina JW Danzig
To: "INTERNET:email@hidden"
Subject: Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
Message-ID:
Laurie,
Last fall Jena played one practice with the only girls team we have in
Spokane. The youngest girl was 14. Jena was barely 11 at the time. She
came up to some of the girls shoulders. She was able to keep up with them
on skills, but the size difference was huge. Anyway, when Jena got off the
ice she told me she never wanted to skate with the girls again. When I
asked her why, she said because they cussed so bad, worse than the boys. I
don't know if they think they should be cursing because they play hockey or
what. But I have to say that after awhile, after the novelty of girls
playing hockey, they'll be more relaxed about what they do, and all will be
okay.
Tina
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:58:08 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Brand
Message-ID:
Jessica -
I don't wear a mask (and have a crooked nose to prove it), but I work at
a hockey store, and have had to replace or repair more Itech cages than
CCM. The CCMs seem to be a bit more sturdy.
Jeanne
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:22:54 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Visors
Message-ID:
>I have both a full Itech shield and a half shield. I only wear the
>half shield for very low level games (and even then, I really shouldn't be
>using it, I happen to like my dental work where it is); the full
>shield is used for everything else (rollerhockey, full contact,
>non-check, pickup, whatever). Having said that, I wouldn't buy
>another full shield, when this one gets too scratched up, it will be
>replaced with a cage. I wear glasses, with the full Itech, it just fogs
>up too much, especially on the high humidity days. I've been using a
>cage recently, the cage bars don't bother me as much as the two layers of
>fog do.
>
>-Eric
My daughter wears glasses and even with a cage, fogged up badly. She
finally went to contact lenses (well, actually one lense, that's all she
needs) and that was the best. She said it was so much better playing when
you could see! There was one type of glasses however, that worked well.
It wasn't the regular goggle, but a really cheap, tan plastic thing that
had swing out sides and was held on with elastic strapping. Can't remember
the name, but it looked like it should cost $5. It sat closer to the face
than the sport goggles so that she wasn't breathing under it and fogging it
herself from the inside. Maybe because she has a small face, but her
regular glasses and larger goggles didn't fit under her cage. I've seen
men with goggles and glasses under a cage, but most smaller kids don't have
room for them.
On the lighter side, I asked a friend who works for one of the NHL teams
what the pros did, and he said they were too vain to wear their glasses in
public.
Debbie
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:41:07 -0400
From: Val Schmitt
To: women-email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
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Hi Nicci,
I'd be glad to fill out your survey - address is email@hidden
--Val
email@hidden wrote:
> I am writing a research paper about women's hockey. I have a survey that I
> have written and would like to send it out. If you are interested in
> compleating the survey please e-mail me for a copy.
>
> Thanks for helping in advance.
>
> Nicci
> email@hidden
>
--
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play: email@hidden work: email@hidden
** Nighthawks Ice Hockey C Team #22 ** Go SJ Sharks! **
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Hi Nicci,
I'd be glad to fill out your survey - address is email@hidden
--Val
email@hidden wrote:
I am writing a research paper about women's hockey. I have a survey that I
have written and would like to send it out. If you are interested in
compleating the survey please e-mail me for a copy.
Thanks for helping in advance.
Nicci
email@hidden
--
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Val Schmitt http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/9687
play: email@hidden work:
email@hidden
** Nighthawks Ice Hockey C Team #22 **
Go SJ Sharks! **
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:55:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
Message-ID:
In Cali, if a girl wants to play in KOHO or NARCH for a guys team they can
play one age group down, which means that if they are 14 they can play for
a13 yr old team
Becky #19 LookOut Black Widows
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:55:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Visors
Message-ID:
I used to use a visor and i found that during night games and ealy morning
games....i played at an outdoor rink...it would fog up....also u always have
to take very good care of it and keep it in a pillow case or just carry it
everywhere so that it doesnt get scratched....for the last 2 years I have
gone with a Cooper cage and I love it....The helmet that I have now(Cooper
HH3000 helmet..Cooper Cage) I will use for the rest of my hockey career
Becky #19 LookOut Black Widows
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:42:13 -0400
From: Tina JW Danzig
To: "INTERNET:email@hidden"
Subject: Part 3 of Re: Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
I'd be happy to take the survey, please send me a copy.
Tina (Hockey Mom)
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:42:07 -0400
From: Tina JW Danzig
To: "INTERNET:email@hidden"
Subject: Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
Message-ID:
Becky #19
My daughter always signs her name ......Jena #14.
>>In Cali, if a girl wants to play in KOHO or NARCH for a guys team they
can
play one age group down, which means that if they are 14 they can play for
a13 yr old team<<
I'm not sure what KOHO or NARCH are, but I can only assume they are house
teams? Rep teams arn't allowed to have ages other than what is actually
allowed. In other words, girls can't play down in rep play. I know we are
in the same region as California and the rules are the same. I wish it was
allowed for everyone. Please let me know what KOHO or NARCH are.
Thanks,
Tina
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:15:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
Message-ID:
KOHO and NARCH are travel leagues that do tournaments all over the
U.S.A.....the Canada tournament This summer that people have been talking
about is a NARCH tournament and it is the world championships....My team will
be playing in the Women's Platinum League for that tourney....I am the only
player under 18 on the team so in women's the age doesnt matter
Becky #19
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:19:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Visors
Message-ID:
After having exclusively used the Itech shields for years I recently switched
to the new CCM. It took some getting used to as I find the chin cup at a
slightly different angle, but once I got used to it, I love it! It is
further from the face, thus does not fog up anywhere near as easy and it has
a design where it can be lifted with just one hand. So far it hasn't
scratched like the older Itech models, but I have found that the most
important thing you can do to keep scratches from forming is to ALWAYS put
the helmet in a bag when storing it. I live in Cincinnati where we deal with
high humidity all spring and summer, so I have always used defogging sprays
with alot of success. The one I have found that works the best is called
"Cougar", the trick with the defogging sprays is to spray it and let it set
on the shield 30-60 seconds before wiping, if you wipe immediately you lost
the benefit.
Jackie - #22 - She Shooooooooots, She Scooooooooores !!!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 11:47:41 -0400
From: Lynn Witkowski
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mississauga Girls Hockey
Message-ID:
Is there anyone on the list who is involved with Mississauga Girls
Hockey or can direct me to someone from that association?
Lynn
email@hidden
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 09:05:11 -0800
From: email@hidden
To:
Subject: Re: Help in Changing Girls Ages....
Message-ID:
I thought I would put my two cents in here for what it is worth.
I don't know if giving special treatment to the girls is the
right way to approach this. My daughter has been playing for 5
years with the boys and I was also of the mind, that if this is
what she wants, she has to take what is given.
Over the years though, I have seen where the smaller player is
always at risk against a larger opponent, where the smaller
player is male or female. We had a friend's son suffer a
ruptured spleen after being checked into the boards at the
players bench in a Bantam game.
There has been talk in USA Hockey of changing the classification
from age to size. Perhaps this is the approach that needs to be
used. This is a nonsexist argument that even the male players
and parents can support.
Then the girls can play with boys their own size, as can boys
that are smaller than average for their age. Allowances can be
made for elite players to play up, etc as they can today in the
age categories.
It maybe too late to get USA Hockey to consider this issue this
year, but if enough parents are concerned and express their
concern, then maybe we can get things changed. Also, if USA
Hockey is to consider a change like this, then we also need to
have the Canadian governing body move in this direction also,
otherwise, tournaments between teams from the two countries will
not be equitable, more so than now.
Thanks
Peggy
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:26:51 -0400
From: Tina JW Danzig
To: "INTERNET:email@hidden"
Subject: Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
Message-ID:
Becky #19,
If that's so and these are travel COED teams, how do you get to play down?
Don't they check birth certificates for ages? Please give me some
informtion on this. I'm trying to have my daughter play down, but have
been told it's not allowed. If you could help me, I'd really appreciate
it.
Thanks,
Tina (Mother of Jena #14)
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:20:48 -0700 (MST)
From: Laurie Solgon
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Help in Changing Girls Ages....
Message-ID:
I think Peggy's idea about size is one of the best ideas I've ever heard
of!!!!!!!
Laurie
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Visors vs. Cages
Message-ID:
Hi,
I just got the CCM full visor after using a white wire cage for a number of
years... The CCM is a one peice plexi top and cage bottom combined with a
comfortable, fully adjustable chin strap. I spent about two and a half hours
trying to figure out the best way of attatching it to my CCM helmet. There
are a number of hardware options that allow adjustments to suit even the most
odd shaped heads.. After finally getting it together, I was anxious to try
it out... At first the plexi made me feel claustrophobic mainly because of
the decrease of airflow but the range of vision was much improved. There is
a slight distortion where the cage begins, similar to what some sunglasses
do... I did buy an anti fogging spray even though this visor model is
pre-treated. The soap or spit method works just as well though...
Basically, it took time to get used to it, but all in all I really like it.
It locks down into place but it also stays up when you want it to. One
complaint I have is that if you want to wipe it on the inside, you need to
take off your helmet.
I payed $39 for mine.
Lisa A.
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Date: 03 Jun 1997 13:38:37 -0400
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Memphis, TN
Is there a rink in Memphis that's open in June?
Thanks,
Jan.
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Date: 03 Jun 1997 13:39:11 -0400
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re[2]: WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 575
I got it off the NYTimes web page the day after it appeared. I can't
read the date on my printed copy (it prints reduced) but it was early
April.
You might try their web site to see if you can go that far back;
being a large newspaper, I would think they would have archives you
can access!
Jan.
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 575
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 6/2/97 6:29 PM
Does anyone have a copy of the NYTimes article that appeared this past
spring about women and ice hockey? I have been looking for it for some
time. It was a front page article.
Thanks
Jil
Jil Nelson Kaplan
email@hidden
"Some people are always grumbling because roses have thorns.
I am thankful thorns have roses."
-- Alphonse Karr (1808 - 90) Fr. journalist and novelist
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Help In Changing Girls Ages On Coed Teams
Message-ID:
NARCH and KOHO are roller hockey teams....that has nothing to do with Ice
hockey ages.
BTW, I just thought I would share my story with everyone. I have been playing
hovkey for 6 years now. (I'm 17) When I 1st began I was the only girl playing
around my hometown for at least 3 years. I also started out as a right wing,
and I was playing at my age level, and I was fine.....a few bumps and bruises
here and there, but that can be expected with a sport like hockey. In the end
I decided to become a goalie. I find that girls who can compete at their age
level with the boys in the ned will become the better players. I am moving to
MN this summer from CA to play boys varsity high school hockey...to me girl's
hockey is just so slow. Any ways, I just thought I would add my thoughts!
Everyone have a great day!
Kellie Severson # 30
Monticello HS
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