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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 638
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Fw: just an annoyance
by "erin russ"
2) FREE ICE TIME!! Long Island
by email@hidden
3) Re: Changing with Men
by email@hidden
4) Stinky equipment
by email@hidden
5) RE: Fw: just an annoyance
by email@hidden
6) Re: just an annoyance
by email@hidden
7)
by email@hidden (C_Moeller)
8) No Subject/Easton ads/Email me
by email@hidden
9) Re:
by "Katie Rose"
10) Women's Hockey Tournaments
by "Competitive Sports Travel & Tours Inc."
11) Fw: just an annoyance
by "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
12) Re: just an annoyance
by email@hidden
13) RE: just an annoyance
by "Nakaso, Joanne R."
14) Fwd: just an annoyance
by email@hidden
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:29:41
From: "erin russ"
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Fw: just an annoyance
Message-ID:
Just to play Devil's Advocate....
I know that the Easton ad is directed at men and may insult many women, but
why is it that these women can't be hockey players or fans themselves?
just because they're all dressed up and chasing after a man doesn't mean
they don't know anything about the game. maybe they'd just like to ask him
for some skating tips! ;)
it's kind of funny the way we can categorize ourselves and can't think of
female athletes as wearing skimpy dresses, like the old "dumb jock"
stereotype says football players, etc. can't be intelligent beings. why
can't we be _both_?
#11
p.s. don't worry, I know where everyone who hates the ads are coming from,
I just wanted to put a new twist on the topic!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 01:54:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: FREE ICE TIME!! Long Island
Message-ID:
FREE** OPEN HOUSE:
WHO: The LI Skating Academy and the LI Hurricanes
WHEN: Saturday, July 26, 1997
10 am - 12 noon
WHERE: The LI Skating Academy
175 Underhill Blvd.
Syosset, NY
516-496-2277, ext. 109
If you've always wanted to give hockey a try, here's your chance!!
Beginners and experienced players welcome.
The session will consist of:
SKATING
STICK HANDLING
SHOOTING AND PASSING
** Required Equipment
HELMET WITH FULL CAGE
GLOVES
KNEE AND ELBOW PROTECTION
STICK
SKATES
Skate rental is available at the LI Skating Academy, and some equipment is
available on a first-come/first serve basis.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 01:24:44 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Changing with Men
Message-ID:
Just a funny little story to go along with Lea's naked guy warning...
There's a guy on my team this summer that I've never played on a team
with before. The first game, he went into the opposing team's locker
room so he wouldn't have to change with me. The second week, he came
into our locker room, but did most of his dressing in the restroom.
Tonight, 3 weeks later, I look up, and he's across from me wearing only
boxers and a cup.
It seems to me that as he accepts me more and more as a teammate and not
just a girl trying to play hockey, he sheds more and more clothing in
front of me. But I'm kinda worried -- there are 5 weeks left, and I DO
NOT care to see this guy naked!! (ha ha!)
"Joey"
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 01:26:45 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Stinky equipment
Message-ID:
The only gear I've ever had get moldy on me was my shin guards. I
poured baking soda all over them and put them out in the sun, and
they're all better now!
Joey
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 01:50:53 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Fw: just an annoyance
Message-ID:
I agree with Erin totally...maybe these girls are hockey players! LOL
And besides...it goes both ways -- my teammates LOVE to pick on me
about picking up guys after our games! (You know who you are, Sirens
and Harpies!!)
Joey
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:06:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: just an annoyance
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-07-22 01:00:30 EDT, you write:
<< > Buy equipment because it fits well and protects you well, not because
you
> believe, or don't believe, in their ads. >>
At the risk of again being quoted (without permission or warning) and
ridiculed in our newest hockey periodical, I again point out that you can
tape over or otherwise obscure brand names on gear if you have a problem with
their corporate outlook. I don't like the Easton ads either, but I'm too
oddly built to say no to an Easton item if it fits. That doesn't mean I have
to be a walking billboard for them, though.
Margaret
BBlades
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:28:53 -0400
From: email@hidden (C_Moeller)
To: email@hidden
Message-ID: <9707221128.AA03017@pokey>
Anybody out there going to the hockey camp at UNH next week?
I saw your post Michelle. Are you commuting or staying in
the dorms? My daughter will be there (Candi Kavusak).
How about Rinksport in Eden Prarie last week of August?
My daughter and I are both planning to be there.
Cathy email@hidden
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:26:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: No Subject/Easton ads/Email me
Message-ID:
Ever since I've joined this mailing list I have been getting more and more
email -- and I kind of like it!
Though I do think that some of you are being a little paranoid about the
Easton ads; think about how many ads they make Jeremy Roenik looking sexy and
how many ads they make with Federov looking cute... I gaurentee you the guys
that use Easton sticks (at least in California) do not use them because they
think that the women will flock, just because they like the stick.
Well if there are any goalies out there, or anybody that played at the Jr.
Development camp, or anybody that played in the Pacific District
Championships that I might know EMAIL me (email@hidden) or if your
favorite player is Cammi Granato, she's mine too!
Have a nice day!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:05:03 PDT
From: "Katie Rose"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re:
Message-ID:
>Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:41:34 -0700
>From: Kellie Ford
>To: Subscribers to
>Subject: Re:
>
>At 12:45 PM 21/07/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi! I'm looking for articles,posters,pictures and anything else about
my
>>favorite player Hayley Wickenheiser.
Why don't you try to write to the people at the Official Store for
Canadian Hockey, Breakaway? You might not be able to get what you need
from there, but they might be able to help you out. The address is:
Breakaway-The Official Store of Canadian Hockey
1600 prom. James Naismith Dr.
Suite 607
Gloucester, Ontario
I hope it works for you!
Katie Rose
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:58:06 -0400
From: "Competitive Sports Travel & Tours Inc."
To: email@hidden
Subject: Women's Hockey Tournaments
Message-ID:
TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS
INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S ICE HOCKEY TOURNAMENT
I am forwarding you and your organization information about the Women's
Hockey Magazine " Tournament of Champions" International Women's Ice
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Due to the tremendous response that the Tournament Committee has already
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Event Director
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Please also see the tournament posting in the Women's Hockey Magazine and
an article in the same publication.
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Tournament Info Line:
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e-mail: email@hidden
Visit the Tournament Web Page at:
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:36:20 -0700
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
To: "Women's Hockey Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: just an annoyance
Message-ID:
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> From: Phil & Debbie Cottrell
> To: Mailing List UK Hockey
> Subject: Re: just an annoyance
> Date: July 22, 1997 10:14 AM
>
>
> Hi Heidi,
>
> I'm not being all that serious here, and I hope that this response isn't
> going taken too seriously...I'm more or less just being a little silly.
By
> the way, my husband is an advocate of women's rights. He hasn't seen the
> ad, but he can't stand the idea of it. He tells me he disassociates
> himself from my opion on this matter (that's why all the spelling
> errors...he's not going to help me out on this one at all) : )
>
> > I sure would have cut down on the Diet Coke consumption
> > until they stopped running that ad, which hasn't run in nearly a year.
>
> It's baaaacccckkkkk. That particular line of ad is back. They've
changed
> it around a little, but they are running one like it again.
>
> > *Any*
> > ad that plays into sexy stereotypes drives me crazy - and if using
> > puckbunnies to sell equipment is such a good idea, why does marketing
> genius
> > Nike use either the players it has under contract, or those crazy
goalie
> ads?
>
> There are several forms of advertising that are proven to work...sex is
> one, product endorcment is another. I do think that the funniest ads
> around right now are the goalie ads from Nike. That wasn't really my
point
> though. I just think that women shouldn't be sterotyped by anyone. At
> first, all the men I knew thought, "You can't play hockey. You aren't a
> dyke." (their words by the way, not mine). Why can't I play hockey and
> still be a "girl"? I don't want to have to choose. We are at a time in
> history where we have the best of both worlds. We can act femine and
have
> men open doors for us, and we can put on gear and slam those same men
into
> the boards on a Friday night pick up game. I'm not offended by the puck
> bunny ad. They, puck bunnies, are out there...but as most men realise,
> those said puck bunnies usually know more about the game then the men
> around them (ever see Bull Durham?).
>
>
> > Yes, the Modano ad grabs men's attention. And it alienated a lot of
> women.
>
> Think about this for a second...Deadline is coming up...you've got Modano
> endorsing your product...(I've seen him interviewed and I don't want to
be
> mean but I don't think he's the brightest lad to come down the
pike)...what
> do you do with this...Come on, they chocked. Modano is being sold as a
> pretty boy in that ad as much as the women are being sold as pretty
little
> bobbles themselves. Modano is the one who should be a little
upset...Where
> are the kids asking for his autograph? Where are the other teams running
> in fear of him?
>
> I know why people find the ad offensive. I'm not trying to tell you that
> you shouldn't be offended by it. If you feel strongly that people
> shouldn't be put into little holes, you will be offended by the ad. I
just
> think that the idea of the ad is kind of funny (I won't put it in the
same
> catagory as the goalie ads. Those are pure genious).
>
> I wear Easton gear...It's comfortable, and adjusts well to fit women
> (except for the shoulder pads, but I can't find another pair that offer
> more protection and fit any better). I'm not going to change my mind
> because of an ad...Maybe as someone suggested those women were simply
> trying to find out were he got his latest gear. I won't be stereotyped,
by
> men or by the women who say they are trying to fight stereotypes...I'll
be
> who I am comfortable being, and more importantly, I'll be as comfortable
as
> I can be in my hockey gear.
>
> I respect your opion...And I do think that Easton has some making up to
do
> for their shortsightedness...but in the long run this ad will be long out
> of peoples minds by the time Easton will have to think about offending
> enough women to hurt their company.
>
> Debbie Cottrell
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:36:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: just an annoyance
Message-ID:
maybe we could get some xray vision cameras trained on those goalie-butts....
take away a little of the guess-work.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:15:17 -0700
From: "Nakaso, Joanne R."
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: just an annoyance
Message-ID:
The following is an absolutely true story-
Several years ago, as an adult woman who was just learning how to play
hockey, I was looking at some hockey equipment catalogues. I saw the
pictures of good looking young women wearing hockey jerseys and,
sometimes, other types of hockey equipment, and I actually thought that
the advertisements were aimed at the female market! OK, I was very
naive, and I thought there were a lot more women playing hockey than
there were (back in the early 80's). It wasn't until I was more
familiar with the hockey "scene," and I realized that none of the
equipment actually fit these models, that the reality of it sunk in.
We still have a long way to go, in terms of removing the sexism in
advertisements, but the other day I saw something that really excited
me. I saw a billboard with a young girl (maybe 10 years old) in hockey
gear in front of a hockey net (on ice). The ad was for a health
insurance company, Blue Shield, I think. Anyway, the copy was about
being prepared for anything, which implied that, yes, even girls play
hockey, and sometimes get hurt.
*jj
>----------
>From: erin russ[SMTP:email@hidden]
>Sent: Monday, July 21, 1997 9:19 PM
>To: Subscribers to
>Subject: RE: Fw: just an annoyance
>
>Just to play Devil's Advocate....
>
>I know that the Easton ad is directed at men and may insult many women, but
>why is it that these women can't be hockey players or fans themselves?
>just because they're all dressed up and chasing after a man doesn't mean
>they don't know anything about the game. maybe they'd just like to ask him
>for some skating tips! ;)
>
>it's kind of funny the way we can categorize ourselves and can't think of
>female athletes as wearing skimpy dresses, like the old "dumb jock"
>stereotype says football players, etc. can't be intelligent beings. why
>can't we be _both_?
>
>#11
>
>p.s. don't worry, I know where everyone who hates the ads are coming from,
>I just wanted to put a new twist on the topic!
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:08:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Fwd: just an annoyance
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-07-22 00:10:23 EDT, email@hidden (Gary
Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden) writes:
<< Really? I am always amazed at just what a well placed puck can do to a
guy's face. There is no uglier team than the Flyers. (I love them, but
really, they are *butt* ugly.) >>
I'd have to say Eric Lindros is an exception to your rule. I play hockey
because I love it and if I happen to see a few butts on the way, so be it.
Who knows, if Louisville had an ad with Brad Pitt following a hockey girl,
would sales go through the roof? I know I'd take a second look. :)
Kelly #18
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Forwarded message:
From: email@hidden (Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden)
Sender: email@hidden
Reply-to: email@hidden
To: email@hidden (Subscribers to)
Date: 97-07-22 00:10:23 EDT
>> I now play hockey myself, but I will always look to see how cute the
>> players are. I am a reformed (ok, not even reformed) puck bunny and
>> proud
>> of it : )
>>
>> Debbie
>>
Really? I am always amazed at just what a well placed puck can do to a
guy's face. There is no uglier team than the Flyers. (I love them, but
really, they are *butt* ugly.) Through the detritus of years of hockey,
you can see the previously-cute. Maybe that is why they make so much.
Loot for looks.
Debbie
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