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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 450
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Summer Hockey
by email@hidden
2) Slap shots
by mccollum
3) Mid Atlantic Division
by email@hidden
4) 1997 Pac District Guidebook
by email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
5) Re: Slap shot; handedness of sticks
by email@hidden
6) Re: Bad Hockey Day For Girls In Alaska
by Judi Stevens
7) Re: Summer Hockey
by email@hidden (Jess Becker)
8) Re: Summer hockey program
by email@hidden (Laurie Solgon)
9) Re: women's hockey magazine
by email@hidden
10) Re: Mid Atlantic Division
by Jan de Regt
11) Re: Slap shot; handedness of sticks
by "Brian M. Young"
12) ADMIN--READ NOW!
by Laurie Sefton
13) Re: Slap shot; handedness of sticks
by Milton Holmes
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:53:58 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Summer Hockey
Message-ID:
Every year in welsley at Babson there is eruopra cup for wonen and girls. I don't know if thier doing it this
year. Steve Sturlin always runs it. He is in charge of the rink at babson. Hope this helps.
-Susie Eustis
email@hidden
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:59:35 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Slap shots
Message-ID:
Hello,
I am confused. I am only in a young girls league aging from 11-18 I
myself is 14. I have been told a few times by our coaches that slapshots
are not permitted in women's hockey. However I see the other teams
players' doing it constintaly. No one on my team ever uses the
slapshots. Just the other day my coach said they were allowed but a few
games before that someone got put in the box for using a slapshot. Can
somebody help me get this straightened out?!
R.L
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:24:11 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Mid Atlantic Division
Message-ID:
I was wondering if anyone could give me information on the Mid-Atlantic
division. Our team based out of Manhattan is interested in joining. Also if
any teams in the area want to set up games please contact me. Thank You.
Deborah Brecher
e-mail email@hidden
Chelsea Comets
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:34:40 -0900
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
To: email@hidden
Subject: 1997 Pac District Guidebook
Message-ID:
Folks: I've been getting a lot of requests for the Guidebook. Here is
the story as I know it. Our program, in the course of questioning some
of the practices in the District, had asked for a copy of this book many
times. The fact that there was none was mentioned to National level USA
Hockey Officials many times. Last spring I personally made mention of
the absence of such a document to Karen Lundgren. In August we were
told, at a meeting of Alaska State Hockey Association, that one was
forthcoming. We got it in December. I assumed that one would be made
available to every Association in the District. I hope that my
assumption is correct.
There is a chance you can get a copy from your State Board rep. What I
will do, is tear mine apart and scan it. I will then make copies
available via email to all who request it. There are some firewall
issues here, so make sure that your ISP will allow you to receive
attached files. If not, let me know and I will transmit the guidebook
in an email. It will then be up to you to get it into another usable
form. That may be a problem for some as I know I have difficulties
getting info back and forth between myself and Mac Users.
Please give me a couple of days...
Thx, Lyle
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:53:05 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Slap shot; handedness of sticks
Message-ID:
After reading some of the replies, I've came back to your original posting to
reply. You asked several questions and I'll try to address each of them.
First, forget the mph at the slap shot booth with the plastic balls. Those
stupid booths are totally inaccurate! When in a real on ice shooting
situation with pucks and a real radat gun, I come in at about 60-65, whereas
I pull in at about 45 mph at those stupid booths. As for your question about
the slap shoot, as a player and coach, I can tell you it's probably the
easiest shot for the Goalie to read. The best situation to even use the
shoot is when the Goalie is heavily "screened". As a coach of young kids I
forbide them to use it in a game right now. Our league allows it's use, but
the last thing I need is my boys missing scoring oppertunities in order to
look "macho" with the slapshot! I have 3 girls on the team that I coach (one
of them being my leading scorer) and it's funny how I never have to get on
them about wasting practice time messing around with slapshots. Personally,
as a female player in a men's league, I've found my highest percentage shot
to be my backhand. The backhand (once mastered) can be the most totally
deceptive shot in hockey and most Goalies will agree that they hate the
player whose got the tricky backhander. Because of the positioning of your
body, the Goalie can't hardly read the direction of the shot and also has
difficulty reading the "rise" of the shot. I do use a slapshot from time to
time, but mostly in a breakaway situation, I'll come in at an extreme angle,
fake like I'm gonna pull a wrister and try to put it top shelf on stick side.
I don't do this often, but I'll use it if I know the that particular Goalies
habits. As far as the right handed/left handed issue goes, it's almost an
American -vs- Canadian thing. I've had alot of hockey training, but all of
it has come from Canadians and the vast majority of Canadian coaches believe
that the top hand is the dominent hand (meaning if your right handed you shot
left). Most American trainors give alot more leadway on this, this is where
you might be hearing the "sweeping the broom" advice. Canadian trainers will
also give credence to what foot you skate off. For example, although
ambidextrous, I write right handed, but I skate as if I'm a left hander, in
hockey terms, this is called being a "Goofy Foot" meaning that I skate with
the opposite body orientation than which hand I write with. Forgive me if
I'm not making sense. My advice to you is to try carrying a puck while your
skating and just listen to your body, one side should feel more "right" to
you especially while your skating at the same time. I hope this helped.
Jackie - #22
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:12:34 -0800
From: Judi Stevens
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Bad Hockey Day For Girls In Alaska
Message-ID:
Lyle Anderson wrote:
>
> > Dear Lyle;
> >
> > I thought that you would be interested to know that Team California
> > South - 12 and under played two games against Chuck's team this weekend.
> > The scores where:
> > team Cal South Nor Cal
> > Sunday 5 1
> > Monday 2 2
> > shoutout 3 1
> >
> > This I think is enough said!! Also all of our girls ARE 12 and under!!
> > Not 14 and under. We enjoyed playing them, and look forward to playing
> > your team.
> >
> > Judi Stevens
>
> Judi (and Bree and Kelsey): I can sense from your first post that there
> is a little animosity in CA! I have heard stories that this is the case
> in all hockey down there. While I can understand a healthy rivalry, it
> can get out of hand when it has what I suspect is an overall negative
> effect. I have heard that there is a lot of infighting in CA hockey,
> both boys and girls. I have been told in the past that the girls teams
> down there have been around longer than our teams. Now consider this,
> to the best of our knowledge, the appointment of a District level
> Section representative came about as a result of our complaints about a
> lack of same. A rep was finally appointed for AK when we complained
> that a District level rep was not enough. I have come to a conclusion
> and as a result, would like to see us all get together and make some
> change.
>
> I drew my conclusion from several things, but a good part of it has come
> from what I have seen here on plaidworks. Or, in a way, what I have not
> seen. You included my post on "Bad Hockey Day" in your post to Chuck.
> I also sent to Chuck a more detailed post, that further explained the
> situation and asked him for some support. I will forward it to you as
> well. To date, Chuck has not (hopefully due to a lack of time)
> responded.
>
> My conclusion is this: We are so busy infighting, we haven't taken the
> time to make sure that we're getting a fair shake! Witness the fact
> that Chuck's post was so upsetting to your players. Now consider, Team
> CA has a 2-2-0 record with The Blue Diamonds. If The Blue Diamonds used
> 14 year olds in the games earlier in the season, wouldn't you like an
> opportunity to have some OFFICIAL games where all your players could
> attend and the 14 year olds could not?
>
> I have received a post stating that a team in WA/OR is getting a really
> hard time from their State (?.., Pacific Northwest) president. That
> post led me to believe, that there is a lot of darkness all over the
> District. I would like to see that change!!! Big time!!! The only way
> it can is, if we share information and knowledge, develop a united
> front, and take our case as high as it needs to go! Topics that need
> resolution are the pathway to Nationals, a fair methodology for
> determining who our reps are, and a fair policy for interplay with boys
> teams. In regard to interplay, I am referring to a policy that will
> establish some guidelines that would allow our teams to have games with
> boys teams, without a lot of baloney, when there is no one else to play!
>
> A District Tournament for Squirts and PeeWees would have set the stage
> for resolution of who the best teams in the District are. Who knows,
> maybe your daughter's team and The Blue Diamonds would have gone on to
> Boston! As it is now, your team and our team will represent Squirts,
> and our PeeWee team and a team I know nothing about will represent
> PeeWees. If everything I am hearing is true, a lot of people are really
> upset about it!!!
>
> Here are a few more landmarks to support my conclusion:
>
> 1. I posted a letter regarding the fact that there are more teams
> desiring to try for Boston than there are Pac District slots for teams.
>
> I get a letter back stating that the writer is surprised, he thought
> that was the way it was always done! I also got a post from plaidworks
> from a woman in Seattle that said something similar. I posted the guy
> back and explained that in past years, the District refused to hold ANY
> play-offs for girls! And, that in lieu of the fact there was no tourney
> at the District level, we fought beyond the District to get a slot at
> Nationals, and have been going ever since. A point, our actions were
> never intended to prevent other teams in the District from going to
> Nationals, as is so often said! The last thing The Firebirds want to do
> is limit the growth of girls hockey in the District, and some nearby
> teams to play!
>
> 2. A letter was posted stating that a Girls/Women Section rep was
> picked by the people she would represent. Then I get another letter
> stating that there was not widespread knowledge of the fact that a
> selection was about to be made, or that any input would be allowed.
>
> There are other factors that I considered in drawing my conclusion. But
> the bottom line is, we're in the stone age when it comes to getting
> along and communicating. The internet is a great way to put that behind
> us. Much gets said that is not true about all of us. Let's get
> together and build bridges instead of fanning the fires that burn them!
>
> If we let the good 'ole boys keep us busy jousting each other, we'll
> never get around to taking care of the real issues that our fledgling
> sport needs to have addressed in the Pacific District!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Lyle Anderson, Alaska Firebirds
>
> PS We would be interested in hearing any input that others may have on
> these issues. Particularly from those who have gotten past this stage!
>
> Special to Bree: We gave your post on your player Bios to our goalie
> Ohara. She thought it was neat that so many people would see it! We
> would like to know if The South Coast Sabres was really made up of boys
> who were "new to ice hockey?"
>
> We all wish you good luck, and tap the pipes for more luck when you need
> it!
Dear Lyle,
Team California is in it's fourth season. This is the first year for
the 12 and under division. Bree knows girls on the upper division teams
and has looked forward to being able to play with all girls. Two years
ago she did an all girls clinic in LA and had alot of fun. The team
that Bree is on now started in October. The girls are pooled from all
over Southern Cal., most are on travel teams with a few from in-house.
We do not have problems finding boy Squirt teams to play but would like
more girls teams, too. The upper div.'s also play boy's teams under the
girls rules. There are some rinks trying to start a girls/women
in-house league, which should help develop players.
The best part of this team is watching the girls be GIRLS!! They do not
have to worry about changing in the locker room, or feeling out of
place. They have become very close on and off the ice. This is what it
is all about at this age. Growing as players and people, doing the best
you can for the team, becoming a team player. It has always been said
that the mite and squirt div. is for learning. How adults forget this
and kids stop playing around peewee age because of burnout!! Bree has
always desided which team she was going to play on. It didn't matter if
it was "A" or "B", the players and coaching staff is what is
important!! She has been told by Rick Knickle, Allen Bester, Clint
Malarchuk, and Dave Goverde, "that you should have FUN playing, play
your best, and remember that your are team!"
As for the Nationals, having tournaments all season - as the tier teams
do; and then playoff's would allow for a more competitive way of
deciding who would go to the Nationals. I would be interested to know
how it was done when there where only A FEW BOYS TEAMS?? You would think
that it was worked out back then?
I feel that the net is a great way to spread the information. For the
boys team's we play under SCAHA (Southern Cal Am. Hockey Ass.) in the
beginning of the season we receive a SCAHA Rules and Reg. Handbook, and
register with USA Hockey. It would be nice to receive a CAHA Handbook
and any other information that pertains to the girls teams. To have at
least two CAHA meetings for the girls teams, to assist in passing
information. Girls/womens hockey has come along way and has along way to
go. Being informed as a coach, parent, or player is the greatest asset.
Sincerely,
Judi Stevens
PS: If I had the ablity to setup a WEB Page for girls to do Bio's I
would. I feel that it would help them feel connected, part of the
whole!! Also, the South Coast Sabres had two players(including Bree)
that had played travel before, the rest was first year in-house. There
were 14 players; 3 players were 8, 3 players were 7, 4 players were 6,
and 4 players were 5.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:54:21 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden (Jess Becker)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Summer Hockey
Message-ID:
>Every year in welsley at Babson there is eruopra cup for wonen and girls.
>I don't know if thier doing it this
>year. Steve Sturlin always runs it. He is in charge of the rink at
>babson. Hope this helps.
>-Susie Eustis
>email@hidden
Europa Cup is a summer league that has a boys and a girls division. It is
not co-ed, but it is a lot of fun. Last year there were only two girls
teams, and although it was barely a step up from pick-up hockey, everyone
seemed to have a great time (I coached one of the teams). The number of
teams is dependent on the number and skill level of the people who sign up,
so it varies from year to year. A few years ago there were two divisions:
one for beginner/intermediate skaters, and an "elite" division for advanced
high school and college level players.
Steve Stirling is the athletic director for Babson College, and he runs all
of the summer hockey programs.
For more info, call the Babson Recreational Center in Wellesley, Ma (617
area code).
See Ya,
Jess
Sometimes I think I learn more when I stay home from School.
-Calvin and Hobbes
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:34:37 -0700 (MST)
From: email@hidden (Laurie Solgon)
To: email@hidden,
Subject: Re: Summer hockey program
Message-ID:
At 01:50 PM 1/21/97 -0800, Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden wrote:
>Does anyone know of any summer programs that have more than just a few
>girls but are not specifically for girls. My daughter is moving up to
>PeeWee and I would like to see her get an edge on checking. She needs to
>go to a boys program, but I don't want her to be one of a few girls.
Last year we took about 17 kids up to Okanagan Hockey School in Penticton,
B.C. My daughter was the only girl in our group. You do it by the week and
it's extremely reasonable, but the air fare is what kills you. Since I
went, we stayed in a motel. But since there are fewer girls than boys, they
put the girls up in homes of local people that have daughters that attend
the camp for free in exchange for the boarding.
My daughter has always played with boys, and since I was there, I got to
watch the entire week to judge the quality of the school. I think it was a
good school. They had an Iron Man competition, visualization classes (which
all the kids thought were lame, but I think is probably the most important
to get that mental edge), 2 to 3 hours of ice time a day, and they took the
kids to a water park.
I don't have the phone #, but it's a big deal in the summer up there. There
are all sorts of activities and schools like horseback riding, arts, etc.
for other family members and their other children while the skater is in
camp. If you send up a bunch of kids, you get a 10% discount, I think.
I'll look around for the phone #.
Laurie Solgon
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:41:37 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: women's hockey magazine
Message-ID:
Tah dah!!!!
Yeah, after the excitement wore off then I started the critique, which I
guess is natural. There are so many other things I want to do with the next
issue!!!!!
Good job on this one (and it doesn't read **that*** bad!!!!!!) - I thought
your article was great!!! Still interested in writing on something for next
time or the time after???
Sue
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Date: 22 Jan 1997 08:28:04 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Division
Are you a women's team? Do you mean the Mid-Atlantic Women's Hockey
League?
If so, Mary Wood on this list can get you information - she is the
league statistician. There is also a Web page:
http://members.aol.com/ellenalex/mawhl.html
Jan
Chesapeake Bay Lightning
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Mid Atlantic Division
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 1/21/97 9:09 PM
I was wondering if anyone could give me information on the Mid-Atlantic
division. Our team based out of Manhattan is interested in joining. Also if
any teams in the area want to set up games please contact me. Thank You.
Deborah Brecher
e-mail email@hidden
Chelsea Comets
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:11:51 -0500
From: "Brian M. Young"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Slap shot; handedness of sticks
Message-ID:
Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> At the NHL FANtasy (part of the All-Star celebrations; fun) they had booths
> where you could time your slapshot, using real sticks but very light plastic
> pucks or balls. I tried a couple of slapshots (which I have never tried
> before), and the times were pathetically slow, around 30 mph. I wondered
> about my wrist shot (which I have tried before) and it was faster, about 34
> mph. [These are both very slow times, I know.] Obviously the point of a
> slapshot is that it flies faster, since it's certainly slower to get off and
> less accurate, but do those of you who play recreational hockey actually find
> that your slapshot is enough faster to make it worthwhile? I don't have a
> whole lot of upper body strength, but I imagine I'm as strong as a lot of
> other women who play recreationally.
>
> Here's another question. When I first started fooling around with hockey,
> mostly just practicing in the back yard with my son, I had a right-handed
> stick. Then when I signed up for the hockey class (starts tomorrow) and had
> to get all my equipment, I read that if you're right-handed, you most likely
> are better off with a left-handed stick, so I got myself one. The
> article said that the majority of NHL players shoot left, and I was so
> skeptical about that that I checked. It's true. The article also said that
> you should see how you sweep with a broom, and the same hand should be on top
> on your hockey stick.
>
> I'm finding that with the new stick I'm less good at shooting, but much
> better at poke checks and other things that involve mostly the top hand; I
> couldn't do anything one-handed with the right-handed stick, but I can with
> the left-handed stick because my right hand is stronger and more accurate.
> The guys at the equipment store said that beginners should just use the stick
> that feels right, but neither stick feels righter than the other. I hate it
> when people appeal to an intuition I don't have. Do any of you guys have
> advice on which handedness is better?
>
> -- Anne Paulson
the slapshot is a very useful tool,not just for the speed itself,but
many good things happen,when low on net ,like a tip-in,more times than
not your teamate gets the goal from it,or just from the rebound
itself..as handedness..all 3 of my kids are right handed,2 daughters
shoot right,son left, i guess it's just how you started fooling around
in driveway....as for the broom i don't think any of them even knows
what it is
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:49:06 -0800
From: Laurie Sefton
To: women-in-hockey
Subject: ADMIN--READ NOW!
Message-ID:
Well, this is one posting that I never thought would have to happen on this
mailing list.
However, it's come to my attention that the list has been used to spread
untruths about a person their team, and there is at least on person on this
list who has had another "mail-bombed". In addition, we have had email
intended for private use, re-worded and sent to everyone else on the list
This is garbage, pure and simple. These are all unethical, and in one
case, illegal.
If you use this list to defame, you'll be kicked off the list.
If you mail bomb someone, you'll be kicked off the list.
If you, after being warned, continue to post private email, you will be
kicked off the list.
Very simple.
Laurie
email@hidden
"All the best defencemen have goalie eyes."
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:20:21 -0400
From: Milton Holmes
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Slap shot; handedness of sticks
Message-ID:
> Personally,
>as a female player in a men's league, I've found my highest percentage shot
>to be my backhand. The backhand (once mastered) can be the most totally
>deceptive shot in hockey and most Goalies will agree that they hate the
>player whose got the tricky backhander. Because of the positioning of your
>body, the Goalie can't hardly read the direction of the shot and also has
>difficulty reading the "rise" of the shot.
I don't think there is too much disagreement over the fact that the
backhand is one of the best shots. Unfortunately, it is woefully underused.
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