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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 436
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Brampton tournament
by Chuck Collins
2) Girls with nowhere to go
by email@hidden
3) Calgary Tournament
by "Kristen M. Ede"
4) Girls with nowhere to go -Reply
by "Joanna L. Avery"
5) Re: Brampton tournament -Reply
by "Joanna L. Avery"
6) Re: Las Vegas Tournament
by email@hidden
7) ESSO NATIONALS
by email@hidden (Ev Podolsky)
8) RE: Girls with nowhere to go
by "HARRIS, zharris"
9) Re: Girls with nowhere to go -Reply
by email@hidden
10) Re: Girls with nowhere to go
by email@hidden (Sandy Irwin)
11) Re: Girls with nowhere to go -Reply
by email@hidden
12) Re: Brampton tournament
by Rhonda Paprocki
13) Re: Girls with nowhere to go -Reply
by Chuck Collins
14) Brampton tournament Information
by email@hidden
15) Re: Chelmsford Lions
by Rhonda Paprocki
16) Re: Mothers of Sons vs. Mothers of daughters!
by email@hidden
17) Re: Mothers of Sons vs. Mothers of daughters! -Reply
by JUDI STEVENS
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Date: 08 Jan 97 10:57:49 PST (Wed)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Brampton tournament
Message-ID:
> Does anyone have information regarding the women/girls
> tournament in Brampton in March/April of this year?
> Dates, schedules, registration, fees, teams competing,
> and coordinator information is greatly appreciated.
> Let me know if your team (women's or girls) is
> planning to play in the tournament.
Cathy,
I'm taking a new 12-and-under team, with a couple of added 13-year-olds,
to the tournament. We're from Northern California. I've got the brochure
in front of me. March 27-30, 3 game minimum (I hear they play 10-minute
periods). $350 US, $425 CDN (which converts to $315 US by the way).
TD is Paul Driver, 905-454-0582.
The Women's World Championships start the next day in and around Kitchener,
about 50 miles away.
My Team is the Nor Cal Rep Blue Diamonds. Who be you? If you get responses
from anyone else sending Pee Wees, please pass them to me as well. I'm still
trying to figure out what level (B, BB, A) we should be entering.
- Chuck Collins
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:43:31 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Girls with nowhere to go
Message-ID:
Hi everyone,
Listen, I have a favor to ask of anyone and everyone who can help. I
assistant coach in a coed kids house league here in Manhattan, but the
girls who are getting too old for the minor division have nowhere to go
unless they move into the majors, complete with checking and adolescent-boy
attitude. Most of them don't really want to do it. The rink is reluctant to
support an all-girls program because they say there's not enough interest
to justify allocating already tight ice time to a bunch of girls. We have a
bunch of girls who are definitely interested, and we are working on a
proposal to get ice for some exhibition games for this season and next.
What I could use from the women's hockey community is
1) girls teams in the NYC area who would come play on our ice (important to
prove our point to the head honchos)
2) examples of girls programs that are thriving. I already know of some: CT
Polar Bears, South Shore League in Massachusetts. Any more examples? How
did your program get started? How fast did it grow, how did you advertise?
Please, any input would be appreciated.
Caroline Roberts
__________________________
Caroline G. P. Roberts
H (212) 780-9208
W (212) 448-5111
Fax (212) 725-1126
email email@hidden
__________________________
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:17:28 -0500
From: "Kristen M. Ede"
To:
Subject: Calgary Tournament
Message-ID:
Does anyone need a couple B-C players to play with them in the Calgary
Tournament in April?
Please email me directly if you do. Thanks
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:43:05 -0500
From: "Joanna L. Avery"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Girls with nowhere to go -Reply
Message-ID:
There are a lot of teams in Massachusetts, and New England, that are
thriving and have been for years. Assabet Valley Girls Program in
Concord Mass is in it's 24th season and has won 16 national
championship titles. The Rhode Island Panthers are a strong program in
that state. I'm not sure what point you are trying to get across to people.
I can gove you some names and numbers to call if you want to talk with
some of them. (I'm writing a book about women's hockey and have been
researching this for a while.)
>>> 01/08/97 02:12pm >>>
Hi everyone,
Listen, I have a favor to ask of anyone and everyone who can help. I
assistant coach in a coed kids house league here in Manhattan, but the
girls who are getting too old for the minor division have nowhere to go
unless they move into the majors, complete with checking and
adolescent-boy
attitude. Most of them don't really want to do it. The rink is reluctant to
support an all-girls program because they say there's not enough
interest
to justify allocating already tight ice time to a bunch of girls. We have a
bunch of girls who are definitely interested, and we are working on a
proposal to get ice for some exhibition games for this season and next.
What I could use from the women's hockey community is
1) girls teams in the NYC area who would come play on our ice
(important to
prove our point to the head honchos)
2) examples of girls programs that are thriving. I already know of some:
CT
Polar Bears, South Shore League in Massachusetts. Any more
examples? How
did your program get started? How fast did it grow, how did you
advertise?
Please, any input would be appreciated.
Caroline Roberts
__________________________
Caroline G. P. Roberts
H (212) 780-9208
W (212) 448-5111
Fax (212) 725-1126
email email@hidden
__________________________
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:47:29 -0500
From: "Joanna L. Avery"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Brampton tournament -Reply
Message-ID:
Chick, I saw your email and wanted to inquire about your team. I'm
writing a book about women's hockey and am trying to figure out what
kind of participation there is in California. How many teams are there in
CA? Do you play against just girls teams or boys teams as well? What
is the skill level of the girls? How long have there been girls teams? Ay
information you could provide would be appreciated!
Joanna
email@hidden
>>> Chuck Collins 01/08/97 02:01pm >>>
I'm taking a new 12-and-under team, with a couple of added
13-year-olds,
to the tournament. We're from Northern California. I've got the brochure
in front of me. March 27-30, 3 game minimum (I hear they play 10-minute
periods). $350 US, $425 CDN (which converts to $315 US by the way).
TD is Paul Driver, 905-454-0582.
The Women's World Championships start the next day in and around
Kitchener,
about 50 miles away.
My Team is the Nor Cal Rep Blue Diamonds. Who be you? If you get
responses
from anyone else sending Pee Wees, please pass them to me as well. I'm
still
trying to figure out what level (B, BB, A) we should be entering.
- Chuck Collins
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 11:12:36 PST
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Tournament
Message-ID:
Concerning the cost of the Las Vegas Tournament...
>$139 usd per person based on 14 players is approx. $1500 entry fee the way
> I interpret this - am I correct?
> Tammy/Vancouver, BC
This isn't exactly right. The Las Vegas Tournament is a packaged
deal. You pay for both the hotel and your registration together
(double occupancy is $199 for 4 days, 3 nights and your
tournament fees). The fee of $139 is only if you do not use one
of the two hotel packages and stay at accommodations of your own
choice. Considering the price of hotels in Las Vegas for a
weekend stay, you would be lucky to get the room alone for what
the package costs you, so the tournament cost is relatively low.
I hope this clears this up for you and I hope to see you there
Also, concerning the Brampton Tournament...
At least two teams will be coming from Southern California, maybe
more. The tournament is March 27th through March 30th (Easter).
I don't have any other specific information right by I know
someone out there will have the details for you.
Peggy
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:10:35 -0500
From: email@hidden (Ev Podolsky)
To: email@hidden
Subject: ESSO NATIONALS
Message-ID:
I am looking for any information on the Senior women's Canaian Nationals
for 1997. Any information that can be forwarded would be appreciated.
Thank you
Evelyn Podolsky
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 13:31:00 -0800
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
To: email@hidden, email@hidden (subscribers to)
Subject: RE: Girls with nowhere to go
Message-ID:
Caroline,
First, I believe that your association must make room for an all-girls team
if there are enough girls to form a team. If they are non-profit or if
they receive help from the state then they must provide equal opportunity
for both sexes. I don't know all the logistics but I am sure others on the
list could comment on this subject more than I.....
Secondly,
For an example of a thriving girls program I would like to point out our
program in Seattle Jr. Hockey. We started out with squirt and midget teams
a few years ago and now we have a squirt "house" (they play against the
boys house teams), a midget "house" (who play in a female Canadian league)
and a midget Rep team (who play in a female Canadian league, travel across
the country to tournaments and vie for Regionals and Nationals). Next year
we hope to add a PeeWee house team (who would also play in the Canadian
league). We are growing, more and more kids come out each year, and we are
getting kids into college with their athletic and academic abilities. We
also have a beginner program (ages 5-8) for both boys and girls, which is a
great way to start. I recommend developing one all-girls team to start,
along with getting more girls in the beginners program so that you feed the
girls' team(s) in later years. You can post posters in schools, in sports
shops... or other places you might find that particular age group (to start
off "advertising")
Women's ice hockey is the fastest growing sport in the U.S. today. There
are tremendous opportunities to play great hockey, travel, go to college,
and play at the elite National level. The bottom line is that hockey not
only is a terrific team sport which provides many great character building
experiences but it also gives the girls an avenue to go to college, play
hockey and get a degree (and maybe some help paying for tuition).
I am really excited the way our program is growing and I wish you the best
of luck in developing one in your neck of the woods. If you need any more
detail just let me know...
-Zoe
NW Admirals
Girls Midget Rep
Seattle Jr. Hockey
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:14:01 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: women-in-hockey@plaidworks.com
Subject: Re: Girls with nowhere to go -Reply
Message-ID:
Joanna,
>I can gove you some names and numbers to call
>I'm not sure what point you are trying to get across to people.
I would love any numbers and names you could give me. My point is that
there IS enough interest to justify giving ice time to girls, that girls
without ice time and girls teams to play on will turn to other sports
simply because there's no space made for them. We have a senior womens team
here in the city, but an 11-year old can't play with us. We play late at
night, and we're much bigger and stronger than pre-pubescent girls. So, at
least in this city, there are NO hockey opportunities from age 11 to age 19
for girls unless they are willing to play on boys teams (nominally co-ed),
which most of them find unpalatable.
I think most people agree that playing with women is very special and that
the sport is different with men on the ice, either as opponents or as
teammates. Not to say that it can't be enjoyable, just that it's different,
and... I'll leave it at that. Examples of thriving, growing girls programs
can only support our claim that there is a market to be tapped here in New
York City. We have enough girls for a team - I guess they'd be pee-wee - we
just don't have the support (yet) of the people who book the ice and make
decisions about where efforts are spent. A few exhibition games on our ice
with girls teams from NJ, CT, and Westchester county would perhaps drive
home the point that not only is there interest here in NY, but there is
already a strong (and growing stronger) girls/womens hockey community to
plug into.
THAT is the point I am trying to sell to the rink. Boy, I hope they're
listening!
Caroline Roberts
__________________________
>There are a lot of teams in Massachusetts, and New England, that are
>thriving and have been for years. Assabet Valley Girls Program in
>Concord Mass is in it's 24th season and has won 16 national
>championship titles. The Rhode Island Panthers are a strong program in
>that state. I'm not sure what point you are trying to get across to people.
>I can gove you some names and numbers to call if you want to talk with
>some of them. (I'm writing a book about women's hockey and have been
>researching this for a while.)
>
>>>> 01/08/97 02:12pm >>>
>Hi everyone,
>
>Listen, I have a favor to ask of anyone and everyone who can help. I
>assistant coach in a coed kids house league here in Manhattan, but the
>girls who are getting too old for the minor division have nowhere to go
>unless they move into the majors, complete with checking and
>adolescent-boy
>attitude. Most of them don't really want to do it. The rink is reluctant to
>support an all-girls program because they say there's not enough
>interest
>to justify allocating already tight ice time to a bunch of girls. We have a
>bunch of girls who are definitely interested, and we are working on a
>proposal to get ice for some exhibition games for this season and next.
>
>What I could use from the women's hockey community is
>
>1) girls teams in the NYC area who would come play on our ice
>(important to
>prove our point to the head honchos)
>
>2) examples of girls programs that are thriving. I already know of some:
>CT
>Polar Bears, South Shore League in Massachusetts. Any more
>examples? How
>did your program get started? How fast did it grow, how did you
>advertise?
>
>Please, any input would be appreciated.
>
>Caroline Roberts
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 17:59:22 EST
From: email@hidden (Sandy Irwin)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Girls with nowhere to go
Message-ID:
Hi Caroline;
My name is Sandy Irwin and I can defineately help you. First - a few
questions. Which rink in Manhattan and under which program. If you are
USA Hockey will you be attending the Zone meeting in Long Beach on Sat.
at 10:00 AM. I will be there as well as representatives of other girls
teams in the tri-state area.
I am presently the president of the Arrows Hockey Association located in
Freeport and we have 2 girls teams. They are designated "A" and "B" and
the team name is Island Waves. We play in the Atlantic womens hockey
league and the Tri-state league. The AWHL consists of teams from Wash
DC, Phil, NJ, Conn. Stars, Pelham, Dix Hills Rebels as well as Tri state
which is Dix Hills, Pelham, NJ Devils and Waves.
I am also the Secretary for NYSAHA and have many contacts throughout the
state. I hope I can be of assistance and maybe even meet you on Sat.
Sandy Irwin
(516) 546-9447
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:22:12 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Girls with nowhere to go -Reply
Message-ID:
I played with a girl from Assabet, boy were they unfriendly for 12 year
olds--I guess that is what makes them so tough! keep up the good work
Caroline-- NYC Only Woman's Spokesperson for ICE HOCKEY!!!!
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 00:16:03 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Brampton tournament
Message-ID:
At 09:25 AM 1/8/97 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Does anyone have information regarding the women/girls
>tournament in Brampton in March/April of this year?
Well, it is always easter weekend which happens to be the last
weekend in March this year.
They have tons of teams in all divisions (i think around 350 teams)
>Dates, schedules, registration, fees, teams competing,
>and coordinator information is greatly appreciated.
>Let me know if your team (women's or girls) is
>planning to play in the tournament.
I believe (I'm not positive) that all 8 Team Michigan teams will be going
(6 youth, 2 senior). I like it because we get to play new teams. Most of
the other tournaments we go to we play at least 1 team from our league.
If you don't get a contact person, email me at email@hidden and
I will ask some people for you. Deadline is end of Jan I believe, so might
want to get moving on it.
>Also, I'm interested in hearing from any teams that
>have played at this tournament before.
>Thanks in advance!
>Cathy email@hidden
Rhonda Paprocki
Team Michigan Tornados
email@hidden
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Date: 08 Jan 97 16:34:28 PST (Wed)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Girls with nowhere to go -Reply
Message-ID:
Caroline,
(I'm assuming you are USA Hockey)
Here's another approach.
Depending on what age your strongest skaters are, put together a team
(preferably 12 and under, but 15 and under might work as well) and
enter tham in a local tournament. For example, register them as girls
12 and under, and then enter them in a local tournament as a squirt B
team. The advantage your team will have is that, since a girls' squirt
team is defined as 12-and-under as of Dec 31, you've got girls available
up to 18 months older than the boys' teams. That's a good leveler. If you
get two or three girls playing their second year of Pee Wees, they'll eat
up some boys' squirts.
As far as ice time, don't look to the rink to "give" you ice; buy it, just
like the local adult teams do for their practices.
The tournament approach doesn't work as well for 15-and-under (Pee Wees)
because there's the checking issue. The tournament may not allow you to
register if the games you participate in must be non-checking. But there
may be a local house league tournament that's no-check.
An effective way to get yourself on the map is to get a big group of parents
whining about how your team took advantage of the rules and beat their
little darlings with an "older" team. Tell them there's nothing you'd like
better than your own ice times and a league of your own.
- Chuck Collins
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:32:22 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: women-in-hockey@plaidworks.com
Subject: Brampton tournament Information
Message-ID:
Paul Driver Tournament Director
Phone/Fax (905) 454-0582
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:28:41 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Chelmsford Lions
Message-ID:
At 07:14 PM 12/11/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I was wondering if someone could give me information about the
>Chelmsford Lions Womens' Hockey Organization in Massachusetts. I.E. the
>name and phone number of the person or persons who run it....
>
>Thanks,
>Avril #1
Hi,
I'm cleaning out my inbox, and realized I had never replied to your message.
Did you find a contact? I have the contact as Ted, (508)256-4801, but it
is also listed as a midget team (ie 19 & under).
Let me know if this helps you or you need more info.
Thanks
RHonda
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:47:22 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mothers of Sons vs. Mothers of daughters!
Message-ID:
I find it hard to believe that a program would let a call be made on a player
who is, as you say, thirty feet away. Are you sure it was the ref who called
your daughter and not your daughter who caused the penalty?
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 17:48:36 -0800
From: JUDI STEVENS
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mothers of Sons vs. Mothers of daughters! -Reply
Message-ID:
Joanna L. Avery wrote:
>
> I am interested in your coaching "career". You say that you are the first
> female coach in the league's history. What is the name of the league? Is
> it a boys league? What are the ages of the players? Are they all Mites
> or are there different age groups in the league? I am writing a book
> about women's hockey and am including a section on coaching and what
> opportunities are available. How did you get this coaching job? Have
> you run into difficulty with parents/officials/other coaches because you
> are a female? Any information/your thoughts you could give me on this
> would be greatly appreciated. Also - could I use your name? (It wasn't
> printed on the message) Thanks.
>
> >>> 01/06/97 01:55pm >>>
> I have alot of the "bases" covered on this issue. I'm a female player in an
> all male adult league and also a Head Coach for a youth team where I
> have 3
> girls playing, one of which is my daughter. I'm the first female Coach in
> the league's history which I think spans about 35 years. So far the girls I
> coach have not run into any problems as a matter of fact one of them
> (originally from Vermont) is my leading scorer, having thus far scored in
> every single game she's played. It may have alot to do with their age,
> being
> Mites, they are only 7 and 8 and I wouldn't be surprised to encounter
> some
> sexism as they grow up through the ranks. Being a Mite Coach and
> skating on
> the ice with them during games, I have had to tone down my delight as I
> watch
> this little girl score and score and score! (You know that inside, I'm just
> about ready to burst with pride!). As for myself, in my own league, it is
> supposed to be a non-checking league with contact, but really it's a
> checking
> league as long as no one charges or boards from behind. My
> experience has
> been very positive in the years I have exclusively played with and
> against
> men. Yes, there is the occassional "Egg Head" out there but few and far
> between. The vast majority of the men I've encountered have not just
> "tolerated" me, they have really pulled for me! I have received exclusive
> instruction and encouragement from guys who have played everywhere
> from the
> IHL to European Leagues. I've had former great College players and
> former
> Pros give up their time to work out with me and help me succeed in what
> is
> often a difficult task (playing with men in the highest level of play in our
> city and doing it at 4'11" 97 lbs.) So far there are only 3 or 4 of us in
> our City, but hopefully our ranks will grow, which is one of the reasons I
> got involved with coaching. Hopefully, someday, we will have enough
> girls
> participating that I can Head Coach the city's (Cincinnati) first Girls team!
> I've never had and may never have the experience of playing with and
> against
> my peers, but hopefully my daughter will some day.
>From Judi Stevens;
Hi,
My daughter Bree, found the Womens Hockey on the net. I have found it
very helpful for her to know that there is alot of girls/women playing
hockey. I am attaching her bio that she did for Team Cal. They did
there first girls tournament with Ct.Polar Bears at Christmas. They
came in 3rd in their div. and they had alot of fun.
The one thing that her team was really supprised about was the attitude
of the teams that they played. The teams from back east really treated
them badly, to the point of not even shaking their hands after the
games!! They said that GIRLS from Calif. didn't know how to play hockey.
Well these GIRLS play on boys travel teams. This is the first year for
the 12 and under team.
She has never been treated this was playing on boys teams. In fact it
has always been the opposite, the other players and coaches coming up to
her after the game and telling her how well she played!!
Bree Stevens
Age: 11
Born: 11-8-85
Position: Goaltender
I started playing ice hockey at Ice Chalet, La Jolla;CA March 1993. I
made the San Diego Hawks 'Mite B' travel team in August 1993, my coach
was Norm Timmins. The team was the league champions for the 93/94
season. They had 12 wins, 3 ties, and 1 lose. My stat's for that season
was 95.5%, goals against aver. 1.813. The 94/95 season, I was the
selected for the San Diego Storm, the coach was Tom Diehl. But I decided
to play for South Coast Sabres and requested a free agent release. My
coach was Joe Sheehy, and all the boys on the team where new to ice
hockey. I faced 726 shots in 16 games and got one shutout. The 95/96
season I played for the La Condors 'Squirt B' team. We were the league
champions. My stat's for the season were 90%, goals against aver. 2.00,
and I had four shutouts. This year I made the Anhiem Jr. Ducks 'Squirt
A' team, my coach is Ken Knudson. I also got my associates coaching
card. They said that I was the only girl to get it and also the youngest
player. I also made Team California 'Squirt' team. I am very excited
about playing on an all girls team. I have wanted to be on Team
California since I found out about it last season. My dream is to play
on the USA hockey team in the Winter Olympics and play in college.
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