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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 480
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: "regulating" club membership
by email@hidden
2) Re[2]: The Red line
by "Mary Owen"
3) red line
by "Scott Perkins"
4) Re: Gettin' excited about the Vegas Tourney!
by Lea and Robert Sanford
5) Re: "regulating" club membership
by email@hidden (Jess Becker)
6) Re: Help in recruiting
by email@hidden
7) reversal -- Rheaume
by PETER PICKERING
8) reversal -- Rheaume
by email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
9) club membership
by email@hidden
10) Re: Looking for AAA Women's team from B.C.
by email@hidden (frank & tammy schulz)
11) Re: Correction
by email@hidden (frank & tammy schulz)
12) varsity status
by email@hidden
13) Re: club membership
by Edward N Saunders
14) Re: The Red line
by "David R. Strong"
15) Re: Gettin' excited about the Vegas Tourney!
by email@hidden (Nancy Eilers)
16) Re: Re[2]: The Red line
by KELLY IRELAND
17) Re[4]: The Red line
by "Mary Owen"
18) Re: Re[2]: The Red line
by Chuck Collins
19) Re: reversal -- Rheaume
by June Nejman
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:48:11 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: "regulating" club membership
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-02-20 09:07:16 EST, you write:
<< but if you have only
varsity at a school, without the club, you cut out many people from the
enjoyment and ability to experience this sport.
Cyndy Schlaepfer
email@hidden
>>
I don't believe WMU has any intention of cutting the club team when varsity
status is approved. I don't even see why they would even think about it. We
all know it may take some time to reach that status, since this is our
inaugural year in women's hockey. A varsity sport is all about recruiting.
If women are at WMU already, they will be scouted from the club team. If we
recruit from Canada, Michigan or wherever, then so be it. A varsity sport is
all about recruiting anyway. If we bring students to WMU for women's hockey,
more power to the university and to this women's sport. A varsity sport also
means that the university pays for most, if not all, equipment, ice time,
jerseys, ice skates, some sticks and full to partial scholarships. Where as
club teams are mostly responsible to make up for anything the budget does not
cover, IF the team is figured into the university's budget that year.
(Western Michigan University acquired a women's club team after the
univerity budget was figured for the '96/'97 season.)
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 15:04:55 CST
From: "Mary Owen"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re[2]: The Red line
Message-ID:
In the bay area the standard is usually blue line icing.
Therefore, if it was shot from behind the blue line all the way down
past the goal line at the other end, it is icing. Some intermediate
and advanced leagues (mostly men and Midget rep teams) play red line
icing.
As for "some refs to blow the play before the puck has crossed the
line when it's patently obvious that it's going to cross the line"
I would never, as a ref, DARE to do this. Having seen another ref do
this once and all the howling and whining that resulted from that
action, I wait until I see it cross the line all the way. The only
time I would even think of that is if there was a very good chance
that two players going after the puck were really intending to injure
each other under the guise of going for the puck. Which unfortunately
has happened too.
Mary Owen
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: The Red line
Author: email@hidden at INTERNET
Date: 2/20/97 4:25 PM
Don Wright asks:
Does the red line "exist" at any level of women's hockey?
at the amateur level here in the SF
bay area (ncwhl and the now defunct
lady polars league) we used to use
the red line for icing....if it was
fired down the ice from a defensive
zone and went over the opposite goal
line, it was automatic icing (they didn't
wait for a player to pick it up).
i have known some refs to blow the play
before the puck has crossed the line
when it's patently obvious that it's
going to cross the line (usually aided
by goalie with one arm in the air).
stormwind
hell's amazon
lord of the frozen realm
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:18:43 -0500
From: "Scott Perkins"
To: "\"Subscribers to\" <"
Subject: red line
Message-ID:
I play on a womens' travel team in Michigan, and we use the red line for
icing. Meaning, if the puck is shot from behind a player's own blue line
and crosses the goal line, the player doesn't have to touch the puck.
However, if it is obvious no one is going to go after the puck, the ref
will often call the icing before it crosses the red line. The refs in
Michigan tend to look at the goalie alot. I'm a goalie, and if I put my arm
up to call icing they might call it early. But, if I signal to play the
puck, they tend to wave icing off right away.
Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings
email@hidden
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/perks
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:10:05 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Gettin' excited about the Vegas Tourney!
Message-ID:
Kristen,
> I thought it would be kinda neat if we all met up and introduced
> ourselves once there.
Great idea!
>
> Our team is the Thunder Bay Blades from Ontario, Canada. We are in the A
> division with the Denver Bandits and the Southern California Rays. We wear
> the San Jose 'away' colours, teal with white.
I play with the Houston Harpies. We are in the B division with the
Tuscon Chilly Peppers and the Anahiem Chill. We have silver jerseys
with teal numbers, and San Jose 'home' socks. I skate in #2.
> I understand that most of
> the women's teams are staying at the Santa Fe Hotel, we are staying at the
> Holiday Inn Casino Boardwalk, but perhaps we could all meet for
> "refreshments" in the closest lounge to the arena after a game.
>
We will be at the Santa Fe. Our Captain, Candi will get in on Wednesday
night; I will arrive on Thursday about lunch. Our team is getting in
all day Thursday, with the last girls ariving very late. I don't have a
schedule yet, so I'm not sure when the women's games are. Why not
tentatively have an ice-breaker at the Santa Fe about 5:00 on Thursday?
I know that everyone won't be in yet, but maybe we can use the time to
compare schedules and plan a bigger get-together later on in the
tournament.
See ya' there!
Lea
--
email@hidden
*******************
"Keep your stick on the ice." -- Red Green
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:16:04 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden (Jess Becker)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: "regulating" club membership
Message-ID:
>On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 email@hidden wrote:
>
>> About club vs. varsity -
>> It is good for schools that want to go to varsity to show support from the
>> student body - but is varsity status really want 'the students' want right
>> now? What does varsity status for a women's ice hockey team give you?
There is more to varsity status than a show of support from a university.
If there are enough players willing to dedicate themselves to a varsity
sport, then they should have the right to varsity status and the right to
compete at the highest level. It is a testament to the growth of women's
hockey that so many teams are striving for varsity status and that so many
more club teams are forming. There are so many more talented players out
there, and the more varsity teams there are for them to play on, the
better. I'm really excited by the expansion of American varsity college
hockey away from the east coast. I, too, would like to see a "real" NCAA
tournament.
>> For students at the school - none or very few of them will be on the team if
>> (when) it goes varsity - at most 20 students can be on a team, and most
>> varsity programs have hockey players that are recruited from the east coast,
>> or canada and brought to the university.
The move to varsity status will limit a team's numbers, and players are
often recruited from afar. However, I don't see why "none or few of them"
would be on the team after the change in status. Is that what's happening
at U. of Minn.? The only team *I'm familiar with* who made the change is
Boston College and I never heard anything about their players getting
shafted. In fact, it is because there are a limited number of varsity
teams, with limited rosters, that we need more varsity teams. We also meed
more club teams, more intramural programs, and more local leagues. The
talent pool is simply growing faster than the leagues are growing.
Also, varsity teams are not entirely divorced from the other hockey
programs that surround them (and there usually are several non-university
programs). For instance, here at Cornell, we hold clinics that are open to
players of all ages and we work closely with the local girls program. We
are very active in trying to interest others in the sport.
Jess Becker #6,
Cornell Women's Ice Hockey Team
email@hidden
It doesn't matter if your team has good players, it matters if your players
have a good team.
- Morag McPherson, Cornell #21
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:33:40 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Help in recruiting
Message-ID:
hey,
i am a 37 year old mother of 2 who just started playing hockey for the first
time this past fall. when my soon started playing last year i knew i could
not just sit in the bleachers and watch. so this year i bought some skates
and started to help coach his team. i decided i could be a better coach if i
played as well.
to be honest, i have skated for the past 30 years - but in figure skates.
always wanted to play hockey, but it was not an option when i was growing
up.
anyway, i dont know if my son will play next year, but i know i will play as
long as i can (at least 40 more years).
my recruiting suggestion is that you go to some youth hockey practices and
talk to some of the moms - you may find some players there.
good luck
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:33:10 -0800
From: PETER PICKERING
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: reversal -- Rheaume
Message-ID:
I just heard on ESPN2's NHL2nite that Daniel (I think that's his first =
name) Rheaume was just called up to the NHL (NJ). And guess what? They =
said, "Daniel Rheaume, brother of Manon Rheaume." Isn't that a twist? I =
get so sick of hearing "Cammi Granato, sister of Tony Granato" and the =
other references to women in hockey who are related to male stars as if =
that's the most interesting thing about these women. As women's hockey =
gets more prevalent, maybe more brothers can aspire to achieve the =
hockey fame of their sisters. Yeah for Manon for breaking through the =
gender barrier!!
--Barbara
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:54:32, -0500
From: email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
To: email@hidden
Subject: reversal -- Rheaume
Message-ID:
The male Rheaume's first name is Pascal.
-Carolyn #21
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:51:23 -0800
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: club membership
Message-ID:
I think that ideally if you have the ice time, equipment, etc, available,
it is great to have as many club teams ( A, B, C) as there are interest for
at a particular school. From what I know, however, the problem is usually
financial, i.e. it is just too expensive to equip and get ice time for all
those teams. At BU it is all we can do to maintain one team just based on
ice time....I can't see how two would ever be possible. I do have to
disagree with one thing a bit though. As much as I love women's hockey and
want it to grow, I really can't see that it is the role of a given
university to provide the opportunity for any woman in the area who is
interested in hockey to play. I don't think it is fair to expect a school
to fund a team that is full of players who are not part of that school. If
people outside of the school are interested in playing, they should start a
team on their own.
I also have a question about having a club and varsity team of the same
sport at the same school- does this happen a lot? Does this only happen
in the west or is it all over? I have never heard of a team that had a
varsity team and also a club team in any sport, not just hockey.
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:59:45 -0800 (PST)
From: email@hidden (frank & tammy schulz)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Looking for AAA Women's team from B.C.
Message-ID:
>I am Tammy Schulz, Senior AA Coordinator of the LMFIHA, and I believe that
you can reach Laura Bennion of the UBC TBirds via Email:
unixg.ubc.ca
Hope this is still their address...
We are looking for a AAA Women's team from the B.C. area to play.
>
>(anyone out there from the UBC Thunderbirds or Killarney Knights???)
>
>We would like to set up a clean, fast-paced scrimmage with you to prepare
>us for our Regionals in the U.S. We are a Midget "Rep" girls team that is
>looking for a challenge. We've played women's AA teams and have been
>successful and need to step up. We have ice here (Seattle) or are willing
>to travel (and yes, we are USA Hockey sanctioned and will get a game
>number).
>
>Interested?
>Thanks in advance to any information you can pass along! :)
>
>Contact:
>Zoe Harris
>email@hidden
>206-542-7566
>
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:59:44 -0800 (PST)
From: email@hidden (frank & tammy schulz)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Correction
Message-ID:
>then why dont you get off this list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do we care, NO STOP WRITING TO ME.
>i get too much junk mail. and your part of the problem
>
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:10:27 -0800
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: varsity status
Message-ID:
>What does varsity status for a women's ice hockey team give you?
I think that the varsity label can sometimes be taken the wrong way. Being
a varsity team does not necessarily mean anything......there are varsity
teams that are varsity in name only and receive very little else from their
university. But in general I think it means that there is more of a
commitment to the team from the university to support the team and make it
competitive. This label can be misleading though, because there are club
teams that are treated the same or better than varsity ones. I think it is
more about how you are treated than what you are called. Call the team
whatever you want, if you are getting all the ice time, equipment, etc you
need, who cares what you are called? Having the varsity name is not the be
all and end all. (then again, if you are getting all that, why not call it
varsity?)
Its true that moving to varsity status can exclude people, but it seems to
me that if there are enough people who are qualified to play at that level,
it would be nice if they had somewhere to do it. As the sport grows, more
teams are going to go varsity, but at the same time, more schools that
didn't have teams before are going to add them. I think if this happens,
there will still be chances for people who haven't played previously to be
introduced to the game. But I think before you answer the question of what
the point of going varsity is, you have to decide how you feel about
college sports in general. The same argument could be made against almost
any sport being varsity - that it is exclusive, etc. So is it ok for there
to be a varsity women's basketball team and not a varsity women's hockey
team?
Becka
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:37:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Edward N Saunders
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: club membership
Message-ID:
Many of the Big Mid-Western schools have both Varsity and club men's ice
hockey programs. In the east there are some JV programs. I have never
heard of duplication in women's hockey though.
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:58:40 -0500 (EST)
From: "David R. Strong"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: The Red line
Message-ID:
> Does the red line "exist" at any level of women's hockey? I know
> that it does not at the college level. However, we have had some refs of
> late that have been using it for icing calls. This is during girls 12 and
> under games.
> BTW --> We play under USA Hockey rules, but I could find no mention of it
> in their on-line rule book.
>
> Don Wright
> RI Panthers
The mention is in "Rule 620. Icing the Puck". Anyone using USA Hockey rules
should be following the "red line icing" procedure. The rules are also very
clear about when the shot becomes "icing" (i.e. the instant it crosses the
goal line).
The red line is not mentioned in "Rule 626. Off-Sides". Passes from the
defensive zone to the attacking half of the neutral zone are legal under
USA Hockey rules. If you are playing in a tournament, especially out of the
country, be sure to understand their variations of the rules.
--
Dave Strong, General Manager
Keweenew Wings
email@hidden
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:21:06 +0000
From: email@hidden (Nancy Eilers)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Gettin' excited about the Vegas Tourney!
Message-ID:
All Las Vegas players -
>> I thought it would be kinda neat if we all met up and introduced
>> ourselves once there.
>
>Great idea!
- ditto -
I normally play with the Brooklyn Blades - far, far away from Las Vegas -
but will be joining the Tuscon Chilly Peppers in the B division for this
tournament (along with another Brooklyn teammate). I believe we'll be
wearing Jets' away jerseys and I skate in #23 (assuming its not taken).
>tentatively have an ice-breaker at the Santa Fe about 5:00 on Thursday?
>I know that everyone won't be in yet, but maybe we can use the time to
>compare schedules and plan a bigger get-together later on in the
>tournament.
Sounds good - we are staying at the Santa Fe and I'll be in in the early
afternoon, so 5 pm is no problem...
See ya there!
Nancy
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:24:41 -0800
From: KELLY IRELAND
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Red line
Message-ID:
Mary Owen wrote:
>
> In the bay area the standard is usually blue line icing.
> Therefore, if it was shot from behind the blue line all the way down
> past the goal line at the other end, it is icing. Some intermediate
> and advanced leagues (mostly men and Midget rep teams) play red line
> icing.
>
> As for "some refs to blow the play before the puck has crossed the
> line when it's patently obvious that it's going to cross the line"
> I would never, as a ref, DARE to do this. Having seen another ref do
> this once and all the howling and whining that resulted from that
> action, I wait until I see it cross the line all the way. The only
> time I would even think of that is if there was a very good chance
> that two players going after the puck were really intending to injure
> each other under the guise of going for the puck. Which unfortunately
> has happened too.
>
> Mary Owen
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Re: The Red line
> Author: email@hidden at INTERNET
> Date: 2/20/97 4:25 PM
>
> Don Wright asks:
> Does the red line "exist" at any level of women's hockey?
>
> at the amateur level here in the SF
> bay area (ncwhl and the now defunct
> lady polars league) we used to use
> the red line for icing....if it was
> fired down the ice from a defensive
> zone and went over the opposite goal
> line, it was automatic icing (they didn't
> wait for a player to pick it up).
>
> i have known some refs to blow the play
> before the puck has crossed the line
> when it's patently obvious that it's
> going to cross the line (usually aided
> by goalie with one arm in the air).
>
>
> stormwind
>
> hell's amazon
> lord of the frozen realmTo get in on the icing rule, in Canada our game rules are the same, no
matter what the gender. Icing is called if you haven't crossed centre ice
before shooting the puck past the goal line in the oppositions' end. I
have never heard of blue line icing!
Marilyn Ireland
District Rep. Female Hockey
British Columbia Amateur Hockey Ass.
Prince George, BC Canada
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 09:48:58 CST
From: "Mary Owen"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re[4]: The Red line
Message-ID:
Let me clarify
"blue line icing": when the puck is shot from behind the blue line all the way
down to the other end, over the goal line.
"red line icing": when the puck is shot from behind the center red line all the
way down the ice to the other end, over the goal line.
In most leagues here it is "blueline icing that reigns supreme. But, some of the
more 'advanced leagues have 'red line icing'. Also keep in mind that are no two
line passes in most of the leagues here.
Mary Owen
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To get in on the icing rule, in Canada our game rules are the same, no
matter what the gender. Icing is called if you haven't crossed centre ice
before shooting the puck past the goal line in the oppositions' end. I
have never heard of blue line icing!
Marilyn Ireland
District Rep. Female Hockey
British Columbia Amateur Hockey Ass.
Prince George, BC Canada
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Date: 21 Feb 97 10:29:01 PST (Fri)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Red line
Message-ID:
> Mary Owen wrote:
> >
> > In the bay area the standard is usually blue line icing.
> > Therefore, if it was shot from behind the blue line all the way down
> > past the goal line at the other end, it is icing. Some intermediate
> > and advanced leagues (mostly men and Midget rep teams) play red line
> > icing.
...
> To get in on the icing rule, in Canada our game rules are the same, no
> matter what the gender. Icing is called if you haven't crossed centre ice
> before shooting the puck past the goal line in the oppositions' end. I
> have never heard of blue line icing!
>
> Marilyn Ireland
> District Rep. Female Hockey
> British Columbia Amateur Hockey Ass.
> Prince George, BC Canada
Actually, in my experience in the Bay Area, it depends on the rink. We have
a lot of older rinks that are 185 feet or shorter. Both men and women adults
tend to play blue line icing on the short rinks. On the 200 foot and Olympic
rinks, the adults play red-line icing.
Youth, however, seems to play red-line icing no matter what the length of
the rink, unless you get into something really bizzarre, like the rink at
Sacramento, which didn't even have a red line last time I was there. There's
also a ridiculous rink in Pasadena, something like 130 by 90.
Perhaps the conclusion that "women's hockey does not use the red line" is
more a function of being relegated to the outlying, musty old rinks. Is
there an actual rule reference someone can cite concerning blue line icing?
- Chuck Collins
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:00:36 -0500
From: June Nejman
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: reversal -- Rheaume
Message-ID:
At 07:45 PM 2/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I just heard on ESPN2's NHL2nite that Daniel (I think that's his first
name) Rheaume was just called up to the NHL (NJ). And guess what? They
said, "Daniel Rheaume, brother of Manon Rheaume." Isn't that a twist? I get
so sick of hearing "Cammi Granato, sister of Tony Granato" and the other
references to women in hockey who are related to male stars as if that's
the most interesting thing about these women. As women's hockey gets more
prevalent, maybe more brothers can aspire to achieve the hockey fame of
their sisters. Yeah for Manon for breaking through the gender barrier!!
>
>--Barbara
>
My husband and I attended the game between the New Jersey Devils and the
Florida Panthers last night at the Miami Arena (2-2 tie). I remarked, "I
wonder if that Rheaume playing for the Devils is related to Manon?" They
said he was from Albania! Anyone know the scoop?>
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