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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 470
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Admin: How to get off of, get help for WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY
by The List Mom
2) Re: WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 468
by Larry Todd
3) Re: Internet Tariff Alert
by email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
4) If You Could Choose a Summer Hockey Camp
by "June Wheeler"
5) Mid-Atlantic Women's Hockey League Weekend Game Results
by Mary Wood
6) Re: If You Could Choose a Summer Hockey Camp
by email@hidden (jil nelson kaplan)
7) Re: If You Could Choose a Summer Hockey Camp
by email@hidden (c.moeller)
8) Re: Internet Tariff Alert
by Chuq Von Rospach
9)
by Christine Sciulli
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 01:00:09 -0800
From: The List Mom
To: email@hidden
Subject: Admin: How to get off of, get help for WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY
Message-ID:
Last Update: May 22, 1996
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:30:00 -0500
From: Larry Todd
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 468
Message-ID:
email@hidden wrote:
>
> >Does BU have its own rink? If so, who else competes for ice time besides =
> >the club team and the men's team? Are there varsity and Junior varsity =
> >men's teams?
>
> BU has its own rink, but it is still tough for us to get ice time. The
> men's team and our team are the only BU teams that compete with other
> schools. But, within the university, there are intramurals as well as a
> Law school and a Med school team. There are also numerous groups that rent
> ice time, ranging from high schools (Catholic Memorial, Brookline High), to
> men's Div. 3 schools (Suffolk U.), to groups of people who rent the ice for
> fun, to youth teams. Since ice time can be rented for so much $$. they try
> to rent it as much as possible, and thus it is almost always in use, and
> time is hard to come by, even for a team affiliated with the school.
>
> Becka
The Brookline High School Girl's varsity ice hockey team is one of the groups that gets
ice time at BU through the high school. The Eastern Mass. Girl's Public High School
Ice Hockey League is in it's first year of existence and is made up of 14 teams from
public high schools in Eastern Mass. I enjoy the opportunity to take my team from
Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School to play at Walter Brown Arena each season.
Larry T. Todd
Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School
Girl's Ice Hockey
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:37:43 -0900
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Internet Tariff Alert
Message-ID:
> I thought I'd pass this one on!
>
> Jan.
>
> ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________
> Subject: Internet Tariff Alert
> Author: email@hidden at Internet
> Date: 2/7/97 8:53 AM
>
> > > I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter
> > > currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has
> > > filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your
> > > internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the
> > > operation of the telephone network.
> > >
> > > It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were
> > > required to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an
> > > email box for your comments, responses must be received by February
> > > 13, 1997. Send your comments to email@hidden and tell them what you
> > > think.
> > >
> > > Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak
> > > it in just under the wire for litigation. Let everyone you know here
> > > this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of.
> > >
> > > email@hidden
> > >
> > > Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all
> > > our voices may be heard!
> > >
Folks, I work for a local telephone company or LEC here in Alaska. We
all need to remember that the average telephone call is about 3 or 4
minutes in most areas. How much time do you spend on-line?
Up here this problem started to become apparent between 11 AM and 2 PM
on business days. Huge numbers of Net users would log on and tie up
interoffice trunks intended for voice use. The result was our inability
to access certain parts of the city for maintenance puposes. For the
voice subscriber, they were unable to complete any type of call that had
to pass through the busiest wire centers. Amazingly, the loudest
complainers were Net users that couldn't get a call through to their
ISP!
We were able to stopgap the problem here locally, but problem has not
gone away. We have only delayed it's reoccurence. It has long been
held that the cost causer should be the cost payer. The LEC's current
rates are based on traffic studies that do not account for the extended
time that Net Users stay on the interoffice trunks. The tariff is a
method to generate the needed revenue that will allow the LEC's to
expand their networks to support the Net for data and internet usage.
When ATT argued against access charges that would allow LEC's to expand
thier networks in support of the Long Distance Network, it was all gloom
and doom. No one predicted the fortune they made off of the resulting
competition! In the long run, either the LEC's get the funding they
need to expand networks, or they will be forced to restrict access to
ISP's in order to assure that a 911 call can get through at all hours of
the day.
Lyle
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 17:01:41 UT
From: "June Wheeler"
To: email@hidden
Subject: If You Could Choose a Summer Hockey Camp
Message-ID:
I am a volunteer goalie coach at the Blake School in Hopkins, Minnesota.
Recently, one of the parents of a 16-year-old defense player asked me for a
recommendation on which hockey camp(s) to send her daughter. I am posting for
your advice. This gal is an excellent skater but not physically powerful; she
is also one of our smartest in terms of "rink sense". My feeling is that she
should go someplace where she is CHALLENGED to move to the next level. Any
strong opinions out there? I don't think price, location or dates are an
issue.
Thanks in advance, from June Wheeler.
If you want to e-mail me directly, use email@hidden.
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:32:38 -0500
From: Mary Wood
To: "'Susan Smith'" ,
Subject: Mid-Atlantic Women's Hockey League Weekend Game Results
Message-ID:
A Division Results:
2/8 Long Island Hurricanes 2, Philadelphia Freeze 1
New Jersey Bandits 5, Washington Wolves 1
2/9 New Jersey Selects 4, Washington Wolves 2
2/10 Philadelphia Freeze 7, Delaware Bobcats 1
B Division Results:
No Scores Reported
Non-League Game Results:
Erie Lady Lions Tournament -
2/8 Chesapeake Bay (A team) 3, Ohio Flames 1
2/8 Chesapeake Bay (A team) 8, Michigan State 0
2/9 Chesapeake Bay (A team) 0, Chicago Rebels 0
2/9 Chesapeake Bay (A team) 2, Chicago Rebels 1 (Championship Game)
Other Non-League Game Results:
2/9 Chesapeake Bay (B team) 9, Univ. of Penn. 2
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:41:21 -0400
From: email@hidden (jil nelson kaplan)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: If You Could Choose a Summer Hockey Camp
Message-ID:
My daughter who is a junior (16 yrs. also) at Choate Rosemary Hall was
advised to look into the Elite Camp at Dartmouth. The camp is run by
George Crowe. The tele# is 603.646.1038. July 20 - Aug 1. I have also
heard Bowdoin has a good camp.
You can e-mail me directly at:
email@hidden.
Jil Nelson Kaplan
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 14:19:35 EST
From: email@hidden (c.moeller)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: If You Could Choose a Summer Hockey Camp
Message-ID: <9702111919.AA03449@domino>
> Recently, one of the parents of a 16-year-old defense player asked me for a
> recommendation on which hockey camp(s) to send her daughter. I am posting for
> your advice. This gal is an excellent skater but not physically powerful
> Thanks in advance, from June Wheeler.
> If you want to e-mail me directly, use email@hidden.
>
>
Rinksport is an excellent camp for girls and women. My daughter
and I both attended last year. Great workout. Even has elite
player camps. Coaching staff is top notch. We will be attending
this year again - my daughter maybe twice. Closest I see to your
area is in Eden Prairie, MN 8/24-29 or Mt. Clemens MI 8/18-22.
Call 1-800-868-7679 for more info.
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:30:17 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
To: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Internet Tariff Alert
Message-ID:
Folks, this has nothing to do with hockey. Please take it off-line. If
you want to talk about this, go to a telecom mailing list where it's
appropriate discussion.
List Mom
--
Chuq Von Rospach (email@hidden) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome
Plaidworks Consulting (email@hidden)
( +-+ The home for Hockey on the net)
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:57:23 -0500
From: Christine Sciulli
To: email@hidden
Message-ID:
I have just recently started playing hockey (Cleveland, Ohio area)
and I am looking for camps, or other leagues to practice with, skills
clinics, etc., I am 40, and would really prefer to play with women -- any
age is fine, but in my age range would be best. Am I looking for the impossible?
PS I play pretty good defense, for a person who just started.
Christine G. Sciulli
Associate Director
Center for the Management of Science and Technology
Case Western Reserve University
10900 Euclid Avenue
Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7235
Phone: (216) 368-8522 Fax: (216) 368-2171
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