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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 676
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: So you want to be a Goalie - EH!
by Graham Benoit
2) Re: Late Starters,question for Karen
by email@hidden
3) USA Hockey numbers
by email@hidden
4) Re: Late Starters,question for Karen
by karen braun
5) Re: Position Characteristics
by "Rich + Erin Malinowski"
6) Re: Position Characteristics
by email@hidden
7) Re: Olympic Picks for Team USA
by Chuck Collins
8) Re: Lifetime Olympic coverage
by email@hidden
9) Re: Late Starters......GO FOR IT!!!
by email@hidden
10) Re: Olympic Picks for Team USA
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
11) Re: Lifetime Olympic coverage
by email@hidden
12) floor hockey in boston
by Corinne Reimer
13) bowwowing equipment....
by email@hidden
14) Re: Position Characteristics
by email@hidden
15) Re: Position Characteristics
by Syrilyn A Tong
16) Re: Lifetime Olympic coverage -Reply
by "Joanna L. Avery"
17) "Women's Hockey Magazine" Ice Hockey Tournament
by Competitive Sports Travel & Tours
18) Women's Hockey Magazine "Tournament of Champions"
by Competitive Sports Travel & Tours
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:26:51 -0500
From: Graham Benoit
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: So you want to be a Goalie - EH!
Message-ID:
I concur with Vic. My daughter is in her third year in goal. She switched sports
two years ago [from basketball]. Basically, she learned to skate in goalie
skates, and has never played any other position. After one year in goal and two
goalie camps, she was not too bad. The key here is to have at least some level
of instruction from a goalie coach. Never assume that a hockey coach is the same
as a goalie coach!
Good luck in goal if you decide to do it!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:31:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Late Starters,question for Karen
Message-ID:
Karen,
Just curious, what city are you from with 16 women's teams. You sure are
lucky!
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:19:30 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: USA Hockey numbers
Message-ID:
I do not have USA Hockey numbers here at work to give to those who
are interested in getting Team USA to Minnesota. I have an old number -
whether it's still good or not I don't know - for Doug Palazzari and that is
719-599-5500. Whether he would be the person to talk to or not I can't
say - but he might know who to talk to. You can look at the web site for
USA Hockey (it's through Andrea on her web site) for their address.
Thanks, Dorene
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:51:05 -0400
From: karen braun
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Late Starters,question for Karen
Message-ID:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Once women see there is a place for them to
play, they take advantage of it. Some are very competitive, others are
in it for the fun and exercise, whatever the reason, they all fit in
somehow.
Karen
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:37:37 -0500
From: "Rich + Erin Malinowski"
To:
Subject: Re: Position Characteristics
Message-ID:
Don't be nervous.
> Why am I nervous about asking my coach?
> 1) I am only 5'3. Hardly imposing.
We have played against lots of short, excellent goalies. The net is only 4
feet tall, so even in your goalie stance, you'll still be taller than the
net. (Size is not as big an issue for a goalie as it is for defense.)
> 2) My team doesn't want swiss cheese until I become practiced...and I
> wonder how long it would take to be decent.
Swiss cheese is better than no goalie at all. Also, I have seen very
talented goalie make signifigant contributions to their teams in the first
year. As long as you continue to try and learn, I'd bet your teammmates
will love it.
> 3) I am shy about suggesting that I could be such an important player...
Why? If you are a member of the team, you are important enough to have your
views heard. We have an excellent (2 time State MVP) goalie. When 2 other
players said that they wanted to try, we suited them up. One decided that
she didn't like it. The other put on the goalie pads every practice for
three months. She is away at college now but plans on going back in net
when she returns. Even an excellent goalie needs a back-up. (BTW Our
goalie received her first State MVP award after being in nets only 1 and a
half years).
> 4) Goalie equipment is expensive...so it would be quite a committment
> without knowing if I'd be good at it (of course, borrowing equipment at
> first is an option)...
New equipment is very expensive. How about buying used equipment? Or
looking for a sponosr? Our goalie received about $400 off the wholesale
price of her equipment through a retail and a manufactur's sponsorship
package.
>
> What do you all think? How did you find your niche in your team? Did any
> of you try several positions before settling into your current one, or
> did the coach just assign you to something?
I've played all positions for both my women's and co-rec teams. Currently,
I play defense on my women's team and usually forward on my co-rec team.
Our coach assigns positions based on talent, experience, and player
requests.
Keep Skating!
Erin Malinowski
Chicago Rebels Women's Hockey
email@hidden
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:57:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Position Characteristics
Message-ID:
I wouldn't let your size bother you too much. I am only 5'3" and last year I
started in goal for the University of New Hampshire. I make up for my size
by playing further out of the net (a technuique used by shorter NHL goalies
like Grant Furh) and being more aggressive.
I'm not going to lie to you, goaltending is a mind game more than anything.
My mind can dertermine whether I'm going to win or lose. You must be
confident in your ability (and if you aren't, fake it no one else will know).
I've always believed that a person has the ability to do anything they want
if they work hard at it. If you want to be a goalie, then do it. Work hard
and believe in yourself and you can.
Alicia Roberts
UNH Wildcats #31
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Date: 28 Aug 97 15:28:11 PDT (Thu)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Olympic Picks for Team USA
Message-ID:
> Ben Smith's choice's for the first cut for Team USA were published in USA
> Today sports page yesterday.
Not really having a life, I decided to take the list that Gary provided
and merge it with the list of Lake Placid attendees I had saved, showing
who was cut and who was selected. I also annotated the list with the roster
from the World Championships to see if anyone dropped off. And the answer
is, no, everyone who was in Kitchener made the cut. And I also annotated it
with a list I had from the '95 Pacific Rim Championship.
So the people added who were not there before are: DeCosta (G), Merz (D),
Gordon (F), Schmidgall (F) and Sobek (F).
Sue Merz and Jeanine Sobek are both veterans, having been on the National
Teams in 90, 92, 94 and 95. So I guess there are really only 3 new faces,
DeCosta, Gordon and Schmidgall.
Missing from the 95 list are: Kelly Dyer (G), Stephanie Boyd (F), Cindy
Curley (F) and Wendy Tatarouns (F).
- Chuck Collins
email@hidden
P. S. And I still think Angela should be listed as from California.
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"cut" or "sel" indicates whether cut or selected, "(95)" indicates those
on the 1995 Pacific Rim roster, "(WWC)" indicates the player was on the
Kitchener World Championship roster.
sel Sara DeCosta, Warwick, R.I. (G)
cut Laurie Belliveau, Manchester, Mass. (G)
cut Alanna Hayes, Rochester, N.Y. (G)
cut Dina Solimini, Weymouth, Mass. (G)
sel Sarah Tueting, Winnetka, Ill. (G) (WWC)
sel Erin Whitten, Glens Falls, N.Y. (G) (95) (WWC)
sel Chris Bailey, Marietta, N.Y. (D) (95) (WWC)
cut Winny Brodt, Roseville, Minn. (D)
cut Kathy Cordes, Coon Rapids, Minn. (D)
sel Colleen Coyne, East Falmouth, Mass. (D) (95) (WWC)
cut Amy Coelho, North Truro, Mass. (D)
cut Shawna Davidson, Duluth, Minn. (D) (95)
cut Catherine Hanson, Marquette, Mich. (D)
sel Sue Merz, Greenwich, Conn. (D) (95 as forward)
sel Tara Mounsey, Concord, N.H. (D) (WWC)
sel Vicki Movsessian, Lexington, Mass. (D) (95) (WWC)
sel Kelly O'Leary, Auburn, Mass. (D) (95) (WWC)
cut Bethany Petersen, Bloomington, Minn. (D)
cut Brittny Ralph, Brooklyn Center, Minn. (D)
cut Heather Reinke, Madison, Wis. (D)
cut Sue Reece, Dover, N.H. (D)
sel Angela Ruggiero, Harrison Twp., Mich. (D) (WWC)
cut Nicole Uliasz, Perkaise, Pa. (D)
cut Brooke White, Lake Placid, N.Y. (D)
cut Michelle Amidon, Harpswell, Maine (F)
sel Laurie Baker, Concord, Mass. (F) (WWC)
sel Alana Blahoski, St. Paul, Minn. (F) (WWC)
sel Lisa Brown-Miller, Union Lake, Mich. (F) (95) (WWC)
sel Karyn Bye, River Falls, Wis. (F) (WWC)
cut Maria Dennis, South Windsor, Conn. (F)
sel Tricia Dunn, Derry, N.H. (F) (WWC)
cut Brandy Fisher, Potsdam, N.Y. (F)
sel Barb Gordon, Glendale, Calif. (F)
cut Nan Gorton, Wellesley, Mass. (F)
sel Cammi Granato, Downers Grove, Ill. (F) (95) (WWC)
cut Kim Haman, Fairbanks, Alaska (F)
cut Andrea Kilbourne, Saranac Lake, N.Y. (F)
sel Katie King, Salem, N.H. (F) (WWC)
sel Shelley Looney, Trenton, Mich. (F) (95) (WWC)
cut Erin Magee, Troy, N.Y. (F)
sel A.J. Mleczko, Nantucket, Mass. (F) (95) (WWC)
sel Stephanie O'Sullivan, Dorchester, Mass. (F) (95) (WWC)
cut Meaghan Sittler, E. Amherst, N.Y. (F)
sel Jennifer Schmidgall, Edina, Minn. (F)
sel Jeanine Sobek, Coon Rapids, Minn. (F) (95)
cut Danielle Solari, Rockland, Mass. (F)
cut Jessica Tabb, Springfield, Mass. (F)
cut Ambria Thomas, Fairbanks, Alaska (F)
sel Gretchen Ulion, Marlborough, Conn. (F) (95) (WWC)
cut Kristen Wendell, Brooklyn Park, Minn. (F)
sel Sandra Whyte, Saugus, Mass. (F) (95) (WWC)
cut Hilary Witt, Canton, Mass. (F)
cut Carisa Zaban, Glenview, Ill. (F)
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:43:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Lifetime Olympic coverage
Message-ID:
It was reported in USA Today that Lifetime will be kicking in $650,000 to
sponsor the women's hockey team and will be at least profiling them during
the Olympics, the way they sponsored the basketball team in Atlanta.
Lisa Evans
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:55:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Late Starters......GO FOR IT!!!
Message-ID:
Dave
Let your wifr know that it would be great if everyone started to play hockey
when they were kids, but don't let this stop her. I had always wanted to play
hockey...since I was four....I started playing when I was 29. Most of the
women in our league started playing after they were hockey mom's to their
kids, often borrowing their kids equipment. We have a varied mix of players
from ex-college players, to people who grew up playing pond hockey, to people
who just learned to skate and heard about our league and decided to give
hockey a try.
She really ought to give it a "shot".
Michelle email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:44:48 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Olympic Picks for Team USA
Message-ID:
>> Ben Smith's choice's for the first cut for Team USA were published in USA
>> Today sports page yesterday.
>
>Not really having a life, I decided to take the list that Gary provided
>and merge it with the list of Lake Placid attendees I had saved, showing
>who was cut and who was selected. I also annotated the list with the roster
>from the World Championships to see if anyone dropped off. And the answer
>is, no, everyone who was in Kitchener made the cut. And I also annotated it
>with a list I had from the '95 Pacific Rim Championship.
>
>So the people added who were not there before are: DeCosta (G), Merz (D),
>Gordon (F), Schmidgall (F) and Sobek (F).
>
>Sue Merz and Jeanine Sobek are both veterans, having been on the National
>Teams in 90, 92, 94 and 95. So I guess there are really only 3 new faces,
>DeCosta, Gordon and Schmidgall.
>
>Missing from the 95 list are: Kelly Dyer (G), Stephanie Boyd (F), Cindy
>Curley (F) and Wendy Tatarouns (F).
Chuck,
This analysis is really interesting and shows just how important Mr. Smith
feels that prior experience with international play is for making his
choices for the team. It's too bad in a way because there were a number
of hopefuls who were invited to Lake Placid who I think should have been
nurtured and carried along as a springboard into the 2002 Olympics. For
example, I am thinking of people like Danielle Solari, Meaghan Sittler,
Carisa Zaban, Brandy Fisher, Heather Reinke, Brooke White, Michelle
Amidon, Erin Magee, (among others) who I thought really did well at the
Festival tournament, played their hearts out, and are solid prospects. I
guess it is hard to second-guess Mr. Smith who really had a rough job on
his hands with such a wealth of talent to choose from. But wouldn't it be
nice to be able to field a 'B' team or continue to train a 'farm team' for
Team USA that would build these prospects into champions. (Such a 'B'
team, you could die for!) Hopefully, we won't be losing any of these kids
because they decide to retire from ice hockey in the meantime.
--Debbie and Gary
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:14:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Lifetime Olympic coverage
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-08-28 05:07:13 EDT, you write:
<<
I heard last evening that Lifetime Cable is going to play one of the
women's games from the Olympics. Which one, I have no idea. And if it's
going to be live, I have no idea. Send your cards and letters to them and
thank them though! Dorene
>>
wow. one whole game. i know it;s a start, but we are gonna hafta get better
coverage than that, esp if we ever want to have hopes of a women's pro
league...
email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:38:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Corinne Reimer
To: Subscribers to
Subject: floor hockey in boston
Message-ID:
Hi. Can anyone give me information/contacts on womens floor hockey
leagues in the Boston area. Thanks. corinne
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:13:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: bowwowing equipment....
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-08-28 23:05:41 EDT, you write:
<<
While we're on the subject of novel approaches, the NCWHL (Northern
California)
has "Give Hockey a Try Night." The idea is that everyone who plays in the
league is supposed to find a similar-sized non-playing friend, and loan them
their equipment for a fun session of skating, shooting and scrimmage.
>>
Sounds liek a great idea!! But, I just pity the poor fool who would hafta
borrow my stinky gloves!!!
:-)
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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:20:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Position Characteristics
Message-ID:
On Thurs. 8/28, Kari wrote:
<< But I was wondering what it takes to play
goal... My team currently doesn't have a goalie, and I was thinking of
asking my coach to consider training me... But along with the "late
starter" type thread, I am wondering if this is a silly idea - after all,
having an inexperienced goalie would put our team at a real
disadvantage... But how would one become experienced in the first place! ;)>>
Kari-
you have gotten some excellent answers and encouragement already from members
of this list. As a Physical Therapist, avid hockey fan, and Mom of a 14 yr.
old inline hockey goalie, I'll add my opinion, for you to take or leave:
Go For It!
Reasons:
#1) an inexperienced goalie is really better than no goalie at all
#2) you are interested in playing the position- not just drafted to it
My son has been playing the position for almost 2 years now, and has been to
two National competitions, and won a best goalie award in the NARCh
regionals. He started playing as a defenseman, and was fairly good sized for
12 yrs. old, and had a wicked slapshot for his age. His coach,
hated to lose him at defense, but he started in goal out of desperation. His
team had a goalie, but, the poor kid was pathetic. He was getting "hurt" in
every game, we think just to get out of having to play, and his father had
pushed him into playing goal. The team improved a lot, and was going into the
playoffs. All of the other kids, and parents were all over the coach to do
something about it. My son volunteered, because he was saving more shots on D
than the goalie was, anyway.
He took to it, and the rest is history. I honestly think it has to do more
with the MENTAL aspect of the game or position, than the physical, at least
in his case. He has Attention Deficit Disorder, with the hyperactivity
component. He has always been highly visual in his learning and development.
He is hyper reactive- channeling positively here into very quick reactions.
Mindset is that of a "manager" personality-
gets the big picture, sees it all happening out there, anticipates, and
directs- talks to the defense especially. That he got from finding his
"niche" previously as a catcher in baseball. And he has always had an
excellent sense of direction, and where he is in spatial relationships to the
objects around him. He knows EXACTLY where the posts are, even with his back
to the goal. The more specific skills came with practice.
SIZE doesn't matter as much as the other attributes. He is so big now, that
most opposing teams think he can't be as quick as he is. They also think he
is 17 or 18, not just moved up to 13-14. (and I had to splice in panels on
his select team jerseys for them to fit over his chest/arm protector, but
that's another story.)
EMOTIONALLY, you have to be able to handle the feeling that a loss is ALL
your fault. What do you think the defense is for? What has helped him is that
usually he does his job- stopping the first shot on the net, and then it's up
to the defense to clear the rebound, or deflection if he didn't freeze it.
FINANCIALLY, believe me, I know. At least you won't have to buy two complete
sets of gear within 9 months due to a growth spurt! BTW, if you have to
travel with your gear bag, it definitely is not a carryon. And you have
to rent a bigger car just so it will fit in the trunk!
Good luck, whatever you decide, and please keep us posted here on the list.
marilyn
GSTDMarty
Roller Hockey Miniforum Leader/AOL
keyword: Rollerhockey
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:12:26 -0800 (AKDT)
From: Syrilyn A Tong
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Position Characteristics
Message-ID:
5'3" too short? You're too old? I'm 5'2" (and a half), and started skating
at 23. I had already been in the nets in floor and broomball hockey but
couldn't skate, but dreamt of the day when I could get in a REAL net. I
began by borrowing equipment, and using soccer shin guards on my forearms,
volleyball knee pads on my lower arms, etc. (that was after skating out -
as a forward for the first season). I played in pickup games against
college men - I was so bad that the guys shot into my glove and I STILL
missed the puck. But eventually, I got the hang of it, played coed that
summer, and made the travel team that next season. If you get the
opportunity to play goal but not in a competitve atmosphere (like pickup
games), you can learn it without the pressure of letting you teammates
down. If not, you said you don't have a current goalie, so if your
teammates really want one, they'll take you and hopefully help you out
while you learn the ropes. I learn from books and videos - the best one
I've found is from USA Hockey (Coaches Goaltending Manual - book), and
"The Puck Stops Here" by Jim Parks (also found in the USA Hockey
newspaper) was the best video I've seen. Also, don't be shy about asking
others to help you out - one of the best coaches I ever had was a guy I
also played against that first summer - he'd come skating from the other
net and say "do this" or "do that". Good luck to you!
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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:34:28 -0400
From: "Joanna L. Avery"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Lifetime Olympic coverage -Reply
Message-ID:
It's only a pre-Olympic game right now, maybe they will pick up another
game during the Olympics. This is exactly the kind of support that's
needed to start a pro league. Considering the national television
coverage i the US was zero before this, I think it's a great
accomplishment. Of course we need more, but you need to start
somewhere.
>>> 08/28/97 10:15pm >>>
In a message dated 97-08-28 05:07:13 EDT, you write:
<<
I heard last evening that Lifetime Cable is going to play one of the
women's games from the Olympics. Which one, I have no idea. And if
it's
going to be live, I have no idea. Send your cards and letters to them and
thank them though! Dorene
>>
wow. one whole game. i know it;s a start, but we are gonna hafta get
better
coverage than that, esp if we ever want to have hopes of a women's
pro
league...
email@hidden
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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:35:00 -0400
From: Competitive Sports Travel & Tours
To: email@hidden
Subject: "Women's Hockey Magazine" Ice Hockey Tournament
Message-ID:
Just a follow up to our previous e-mail posting concerning the "Women's
Hockey Magazine" Tournament of Chap ions event to be held this Christmas.
The tournament is filling fast. However is still some space available in
each of the divisions. If you or any member of your teams is interested
in receiving more information, please contact Mike Mazzella at CSTT.
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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:53:39 -0400
From: Competitive Sports Travel & Tours
To: email@hidden
Subject: Women's Hockey Magazine "Tournament of Champions"
Message-ID:
Hello all,
This is Mike Mazzella, event director for the Women's Hockey Magazine
"Tournament of Champions" being held this Christmas in Troy, MI, USA (Dec.
27 - 31st). I am writing this post to extend an invitation to all
individuals who would like to participate in the tournament and be a member
of Team Voyageur, a team sponsored by Competitive Sports Travel. CSTT will
register the team the team with USA hockey and pay all necessary fees to
register the team with USA Hockey. We have received many requests from
players all over North America who have inquired about joining other teams
because they would like to attend but have either no team, or their team
cannot attend. Because in most cases teams do not have room, we would like
to see what the response would be like to offer any interested players the
opportunity to participate in a great tournament. Because the tournament
is filling fast, we will be only offering to register teams in the Women's
Open B / and Women's Open C divisions. If there are any players
interested in joining any one of these two teams, or would like to speak
with myself, please send me a message. As an encouraging note, we just
received a reply from a team in Switzerland who is very interested in
attending. We will keep you informed.
Sincerely,
Mike Mazzella BHK MEd.
Event Director
Women's Hockey Magazine "Tournament of Champions"
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