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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 668
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: USA/Canada exhibition games in San Jose
by email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
2) Re: Women's pro league -Reply
by "Joanna L. Avery"
3) Re: Women's pro league
by "James D. Lorino"
4) Re: Women's pro league
by Mickey Pickens
5) Re: Newsgroup up and running!
by "James D. Lorino"
6) Re: Rheaume and Dube competed at NARCh
by email@hidden
7) women's hockey coverage
by email@hidden
8) Team USA in Mpls
by email@hidden
9) Re[2]: Women's pro league -Reply
by Jan de Regt
10) Rumours about the New League
by Alan Chim
11) Re: Team USA in Mpls
by Teira Shaw
12) Re[2]: Women's pro league -Reply
by Teira Shaw
13) Re: Rheaume and Dube competed at NARCh
by email@hidden
14) web page
by Rhonda Paprocki
15) re: fundraising
by Rhonda Paprocki
16) Re: Team USA in Mpls
by email@hidden
17) Re: web page
by Chuck Collins
18) Re: web page - postscript
by Chuck Collins
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:44:55 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: USA/Canada exhibition games in San Jose
Message-ID:
> Do you know if the San Jose game will be at the arena where the sharks play?
Yes it will be played there.
> Do we contact them for tickets?
Not sure, give them a call.
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY
email@hidden
www.canadianhockey.ca
www.hhof.com/chocoe.html
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:20:07 -0400
From: "Joanna L. Avery"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league -Reply
Message-ID:
I also think that Chuck and Lisa have some valid points about a women's
pro league. It's not that anyone WANTS this to fail, but if the timing is
wrong and it does fail it may actually set the idea of another pro league
forming behind. I'm certain that a women's pro league will someday
succeed. But it may be too soon right now.
I think that Lisa made a good point about the fact that women's hockey
isn't an NCAA sanctioned sport yet. If you compare women's hockey
with women's basketball, as many people like to do, hockey is still in it's
infancy compared to where basketball is. Women's basketball has been
an Olympic sport for over 20 years. They have national championships
televised on major networks. Nearly every college in the US offers
women's basketball. On the grassroots level, basketball is a girls sport in
every high school across America as well. They have developed a fan
base and a talent pool that is far beyond that of hockey right now.
Remember that sponsors will only agree to sign up if they think there is a
real market there. Women's basketball has done a lot of work to get
where they are. And women's hockey is working hard too. I'm certain
their day will come, and within the next few years. It would be great if
the Olympians of next year had an opportunity to move on. But it may
just be a few years too soon.
>>> 08/20/97 11:19pm >>>
I think Chuck has a point about a WNHL - it's way too early to do this and
have it be anything more than a one or two year wonder. I mean, there
aren't
enough women's NCAA teams for a sanctioned tournament yet!
Women's pro basketball is working now after literally two decades of
struggle
on the part of Division I coaches and players, plus heavy media
coverage of
the women's Final Four, plenty of games on ESPN and ESPN2, UConn's
undefeated
season (led by Rebecca Lobo), *and* that wonderful Olympic win last
year.
Most people don't even know women's hockey exists. There *might* be
enough
talent for a small pro league (6 teams at the most - Original Six, anyone?
:)
), but trying to force it now could be disastrous. It was nearly a decade
after the Liberty Basketball League's one game before anyone tried a
women's
pro league in America.
I think they should wait at least for two Olympiads, ideally three. This
may
be too much to ask in a world that's increasingly run by Phil Knight and
Bill
Gates, but it may be necessary for the good of the sport. Let women's
hockey
grow on its own, and have a really charismatic break-out figure (like
Rebecca
Lobo). Let the women's ECAC tournament attract some attention on
ESPN2, and
let registration rise to the point where the very idea doesn't make the
average sports fan snicker.
*Then* try it. I think a women's pro league is a real possibility for the
early years of the next century. Having one next year would be a case
of
greed winning out over good sense.
Lisa Evans
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:38:35 -0500
From: "James D. Lorino"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
No Chuck, you are not alone in thinking that a women's pro league would be
bad. That is not to say I wouldn't love it. Regardles of any hot beds and
or high levels of interest, women's hockey is in its infancy. Trying to
grow too fast (in sports, life, and business) is always a bad thing and
leads to problems. I see it in a microcosm in our area - we've had 60
girls involved in our youth program and BAM! everyone wants to split,
start competitive programs, blah blah blah. Result, a competitive program
with 20 girls; a youth organization struggling for numbers; and bad
feelings all around. My philosophy, as a girls director, has always been:
give me 100 C level players over 20 A players anyday. Programs are built
on C players, the A players will always be there and always have
opportunities.
We believe in our sport, and we are surrounded by people who believe in our
sport - that's not always the best marketing research!
That said, the point is the pro league, at this time, would be bad. I
concur with all of Chuck's comments. Besides, the COWHL league is pretty
darn close to a women's pro league - go see that if you're able.
-----------------
James D. Lorino
email@hidden
Brookfield, WI USA
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:34:53 -0600
From: Mickey Pickens
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
STOP SENDING ME PLEASE
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:51:04 -0500
From: "James D. Lorino"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Newsgroup up and running!
Message-ID:
Its on my ISP, ExecPC. Thanks.
-----------------
James D. Lorino
email@hidden
Brookfield, WI USA
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:00:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Rheaume and Dube competed at NARCh
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-08-20 06:14:13 EDT, you write:
<< I thought you might be interested to know that both Manon Rheaume and
Danielle Dube, who have previously played for Team Canada
(Rheaume 92&94 World Championship, and Dube 97 World Championship),
competed at NARCh. Both were forwards for the Black Widow team. >>
What are everyone's feelings on teams bringing in "ringers" to play in the
big tournaments? Hardly seems fair to the players who have worked all season
with the team, and are then not invited to the most important games.
Although most of the players from the Black Widows who didn't go to
Vancouver went to the Summer Cup in Vegas and had a great time, many of them
were still disappointed that they weren't on the "A" team.
By the way, the "B" team took second place in Vegas, with their only loss
coming in the championship game 1-0. Players from the Black Widows received
high scorer and top goalie awards, with the Widows outscoring their opponents
11-2 in five games.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:41:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: women's hockey coverage
Message-ID:
being a kid out in the country, there's a lot of things I can't do very often
like play hockey. So the alternative is to watch it on TV. but during the
summer the only thing on are beach volleyball, golf, tennis and other things.
ESPN used to show a couple RHI games but they don't anymore. I know that
hockey is being played all over so why can't any of the networks cover it.
instead they show repeats of things that happened 3 months ago. FoxSports
shows the same thing 2 or 3 times a day.
One of my friends plays volleyball and another does gymnastics, I don't
think these are any less of a sport than hockey. But those things are on TV
all of the time,
I think Women's hockey, and roller hockey deserve more TV coverage.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:18:50 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Team USA in Mpls
Message-ID:
I went to a meeting on Wednesday and the latest is that Team USA and
Canada may now not be playing in Minneapolis. Apparently USA Hockey
wants mega-bucks and all the gate for the game, and of course, the U of
M - who would be putting it on - want some $ and can't afford to give it all
away. Keeping my fingers crossed! Dorene
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Date: 21 Aug 1997 14:44:48 -0400
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re[2]: Women's pro league -Reply
Someone else made another valid point - professional hockey in the
states is still not nearly as popular as football or basketball. It
is still somewhat regional. The major and minor leagues are just now
breaking into new southern markets, but even their success is being
questioned by marketing pundits...
The way women's hockey is growing, and the fact that we are now an
Olympic sport, I'm sure the time will come. But trying to do it right
now would not be minimizing the risks. Also, we can watch the WNBA
and learn lessons from their successes and failures.
Jan.
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Women's pro league -Reply
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 8/21/97 12:00 PM
I also think that Chuck and Lisa have some valid points about a women's
pro league. It's not that anyone WANTS this to fail, but if the timing is
wrong and it does fail it may actually set the idea of another pro league
forming behind. I'm certain that a women's pro league will someday
succeed. But it may be too soon right now.
I think that Lisa made a good point about the fact that women's hockey
isn't an NCAA sanctioned sport yet. If you compare women's hockey
with women's basketball, as many people like to do, hockey is still in it's
infancy compared to where basketball is. Women's basketball has been
an Olympic sport for over 20 years. They have national championships
televised on major networks. Nearly every college in the US offers
women's basketball. On the grassroots level, basketball is a girls sport in
every high school across America as well. They have developed a fan
base and a talent pool that is far beyond that of hockey right now.
Remember that sponsors will only agree to sign up if they think there is a
real market there. Women's basketball has done a lot of work to get
where they are. And women's hockey is working hard too. I'm certain
their day will come, and within the next few years. It would be great if
the Olympians of next year had an opportunity to move on. But it may
just be a few years too soon.
>>> 08/20/97 11:19pm >>>
I think Chuck has a point about a WNHL - it's way too early to do this and
have it be anything more than a one or two year wonder. I mean, there
aren't
enough women's NCAA teams for a sanctioned tournament yet!
Women's pro basketball is working now after literally two decades of
struggle
on the part of Division I coaches and players, plus heavy media
coverage of
the women's Final Four, plenty of games on ESPN and ESPN2, UConn's
undefeated
season (led by Rebecca Lobo), *and* that wonderful Olympic win last
year.
Most people don't even know women's hockey exists. There *might* be
enough
talent for a small pro league (6 teams at the most - Original Six, anyone?
:)
), but trying to force it now could be disastrous. It was nearly a decade
after the Liberty Basketball League's one game before anyone tried a
women's
pro league in America.
I think they should wait at least for two Olympiads, ideally three. This
may
be too much to ask in a world that's increasingly run by Phil Knight and
Bill
Gates, but it may be necessary for the good of the sport. Let women's
hockey
grow on its own, and have a really charismatic break-out figure (like
Rebecca
Lobo). Let the women's ECAC tournament attract some attention on
ESPN2, and
let registration rise to the point where the very idea doesn't make the
average sports fan snicker.
*Then* try it. I think a women's pro league is a real possibility for the
early years of the next century. Having one next year would be a case
of
greed winning out over good sense.
Lisa Evans
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:51:43 -0700
From: Alan Chim
To: email@hidden
Subject: Rumours about the New League
Message-ID:
I heard some more rumours about the proposed new league at Shannon Miller's
Academy of Excellence Camp this week here in Richmond, B.C.
The league will apparently be a six-team league with four U.S. based teams
and two Canadian based teams. Apparently one of these teams will be
supported by Darryl Sittler.
TAFN
Alan.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:58:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Teira Shaw
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Team USA in Mpls
Message-ID:
doreen, Hi im new to this plaid works thing, how do I post a message
or reply that will go to everyone like yopurs did? i got the thing
about the pro league too. that is my dream to one day play on a womens
pro hockey team, anyway, can you please write me back and tell me how
to do the message thingy!???
thanx a lot
TEiRA
===
w/b soon
TEiRA the only snowpuck
Impressive.
--Darth Vader
email@hidden wrote:
>
> I went to a meeting on Wednesday and the latest is that Team USA and
> Canada may now not be playing in Minneapolis. Apparently USA Hockey
> wants mega-bucks and all the gate for the game, and of course, the U
of
> M - who would be putting it on - want some $ and can't afford to
give it all
> away. Keeping my fingers crossed! Dorene
>
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Teira Shaw
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re[2]: Women's pro league -Reply
Message-ID:
Does this message I am writing right now go to everyone?? Will someone
please write me back and tell me?? i want to get in on this. thanks
my address: email@hidden
TEiRA
===
w/b soon
TEiRA the only snowpuck
---Jan de Regt wrote:
>
>
>
> Someone else made another valid point - professional hockey in
the
> states is still not nearly as popular as football or
basketball. It
> is still somewhat regional. The major and minor leagues are
just now
> breaking into new southern markets, but even their success is
being
> questioned by marketing pundits...
>
> The way women's hockey is growing, and the fact that we are now
an
> Olympic sport, I'm sure the time will come. But trying to do
it right
> now would not be minimizing the risks. Also, we can watch the
WNBA
> and learn lessons from their successes and failures.
>
> Jan.
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
> Subject: Re: Women's pro league -Reply
> Author: email@hidden at Internet
> Date: 8/21/97 12:00 PM
>
>
> I also think that Chuck and Lisa have some valid points about a
women's
> pro league. It's not that anyone WANTS this to fail, but if the
timing is
> wrong and it does fail it may actually set the idea of another pro
league
> forming behind. I'm certain that a women's pro league will someday
> succeed. But it may be too soon right now.
>
> I think that Lisa made a good point about the fact that women's
hockey
> isn't an NCAA sanctioned sport yet. If you compare women's hockey
> with women's basketball, as many people like to do, hockey is still
in it's
> infancy compared to where basketball is. Women's basketball has been
> an Olympic sport for over 20 years. They have national
championships
> televised on major networks. Nearly every college in the US offers
> women's basketball. On the grassroots level, basketball is a girls
sport in
> every high school across America as well. They have developed a fan
> base and a talent pool that is far beyond that of hockey right now.
>
> Remember that sponsors will only agree to sign up if they think
there is a
> real market there. Women's basketball has done a lot of work to get
> where they are. And women's hockey is working hard too. I'm
certain
> their day will come, and within the next few years. It would be
great if
> the Olympians of next year had an opportunity to move on. But it
may
> just be a few years too soon.
>
> >>> 08/20/97 11:19pm >>>
> I think Chuck has a point about a WNHL - it's way too early to do
this and
> have it be anything more than a one or two year wonder. I mean,
there
> aren't
> enough women's NCAA teams for a sanctioned tournament yet!
>
> Women's pro basketball is working now after literally two decades of
> struggle
> on the part of Division I coaches and players, plus heavy media
> coverage of
> the women's Final Four, plenty of games on ESPN and ESPN2, UConn's
> undefeated
> season (led by Rebecca Lobo), *and* that wonderful Olympic win last
> year.
> Most people don't even know women's hockey exists. There *might* be
> enough
> talent for a small pro league (6 teams at the most - Original Six,
anyone?
> :)
> ), but trying to force it now could be disastrous. It was nearly a
decade
> after the Liberty Basketball League's one game before anyone tried a
> women's
> pro league in America.
>
> I think they should wait at least for two Olympiads, ideally three.
This
> may
> be too much to ask in a world that's increasingly run by Phil Knight
and
> Bill
> Gates, but it may be necessary for the good of the sport. Let
women's
> hockey
> grow on its own, and have a really charismatic break-out figure
(like
> Rebecca
> Lobo). Let the women's ECAC tournament attract some attention on
> ESPN2, and
> let registration rise to the point where the very idea doesn't make
the
> average sports fan snicker.
>
> *Then* try it. I think a women's pro league is a real possibility
for the
> early years of the next century. Having one next year would be a
case
> of
> greed winning out over good sense.
>
> Lisa Evans
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:20:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Rheaume and Dube competed at NARCh
Message-ID:
If either woman played *forward* in a tournament, that's hardly being a
ringer - playing out of position would put them at a natural disadvantage.
Admittedly it wouldn't be as bad in roller hockey because they wouldn't have
to try to overcome those flat skates, but still -
Lisa Evans
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:49:58 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: web page
Message-ID:
Hi all,
I have updated the team list so its ready for fall updates. Please take
a look and let me know if any information has changed or if your team isn't
listed. I'd also appreciate any information on the states that don't have
much information listed.
http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~andria/Team_List.html
and look for a new format in the next couple of days, let me know what you
think!
Thanks,
Rhonda Paprocki
Team Michigan ThunderBlades
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:56:39 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: re: fundraising
Message-ID:
There are lots of things to do for fundraising. One option is to set a
golf or bowling outing. (Bowling is year round) For example, for bowling,
find a bowling alley that will give you x lanes for a friday or sat night.
Or the whole alley. Set a price per bowler with them (~$4 was our price).
Set up a $10 or $15 admission price, have raffles, get lots of people to
show up.
Selling stuff is ok, but really research it to make sure that people will
buy what you're selling and that the amount of money you'll get is worth the
effort you put in.
Rhonda
Team Michigan Thunder Blades
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:04:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Team USA in Mpls
Message-ID:
I just heard that Shelley Looney injured her shoulder and probably won't be
able to continue at the try outs this weekend in Lake Placid, poor thing. I
also heard that Cammi Granato is skating at only half the workouts because of
a back injury (good thing she wasn't planning to go the Isles camp! :) ). I
hope they recover, and I hope Shelley makes the team - she's too good to
leave home.
Lisa Evans
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Date: 21 Aug 97 19:50:09 PDT (Thu)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: web page
Message-ID:
Rhonda,
Here's the information on the three teams I run:
California:
NorCal Rep Blue Diamonds
12-U A, 15-U A, 19-U rec, initiation program
Head coach: Bonnie Daley
Manager: Chuck Collins (408-241-4798)
Manager E-mail: email@hidden
WWW: http://www.chkpt.COM/NorCalRep/Girls
This program skates wherever we can get ice, usually Oakland, Belmont
Iceland, Redwood City Ice Oasis, Fremont Iceoplex, Eastrige Ice Arena.
- Chuck Collins
email@hidden
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Date: 21 Aug 97 20:03:13 PDT (Thu)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: web page - postscript
Message-ID:
Hey Rhonda,
P. S. It might be nice if you gave us top billing. Our program is the
Rodney Dangerfield of California Hockey. Team Califrnia gets all
the press and glory, and nobody takes us seriously, even though
our teams have a winning record versus their teams.
- Chuck Collins
> Rhonda,
>
> Here's the information on the three teams I run:
>
> California:
>
> NorCal Rep Blue Diamonds
> 12-U A, 15-U A, 19-U rec, initiation program
> Head coach: Bonnie Daley
> Manager: Chuck Collins (408-241-4798)
> Manager E-mail: email@hidden
> WWW: http://www.chkpt.COM/NorCalRep/Girls
>
> This program skates wherever we can get ice, usually Oakland, Belmont
> Iceland, Redwood City Ice Oasis, Fremont Iceoplex, Eastrige Ice Arena.
>
> - Chuck Collins
> email@hidden
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