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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 548
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Where is the women's equipment?!
by email@hidden
2) Admin: e-mail attack on mail list
by Chuq Von Rospach
3) Re: varsity
by Susan Gottfried
4) Re: new york state usa summer girls development camp
by corey rosoff
5) RE: Where is the women's equipment?!
by zharris
6) Re: Re[4]: mud wrestling vs. checking
by email@hidden
7) Re: Admin: e-mail attack on mail list
by email@hidden (Helen & Bruce Clarke)
8) Re: Where is the women's equipment?!
by email@hidden
9) women and checking (again)
by Susan Gottfried
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:28:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Where is the women's equipment?!
Message-ID:
In a message dated 4/23/97 10:57:13 AM, you wrote:
<>
This seems to be a common remark concerning women's equipment...
It's king of hard to try women's equipment on when most local stores don't
stock the goods. It's considered in most cases to be a special order.
Usually, when you special order something you have to put down a deposit...
So, in effect you have to go through quite a hassle, just to try the junk
on. The stores will complain that the market's not large enough to so stock
womens' protective gear, especially the more expensive goalie equipment. The
companies that make the equipment will then think that their sales are lousy
because of lack of interest instead of the truth being that no one can find
the product.
It took me 3 hours and 4 different sporting good stores just to buy new elbow
pads one time... I'm not going to buy equipment I can't try on.
We should all head down to our local hockey stores and ask the manager where
the women's equipment section is. Act suprised when they say they don't have
one and then ask for directions to their competitors store.
I know it might be tough for the smaller stores to stock stuff that might not
sell right away but there's no excuse for the larger chains not carrying
womens' hockey equipment except ignorance or maybe even prejudice.
I have yet to see ANY women's hockey equipment, (aside from "jills") stocked
in any sporting goods stores! Now that they're finally making the stuff, how
can we get the stores to carry it?
Signed,
A frustrated shopper, and female hockey player.
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:42:03 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden, email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Admin: e-mail attack on mail list
Message-ID:
Folks, I hate to say this, but it looks like the women-in-hockey list
was attacked today. I came back from a meeting to find a huge amount of
email (about 800K worth) sent to the list from the account
, all of it former women-in-hockey messages. It's
remotely possible this was an accident, but given the number of
messages involved, that they were sent back to the list in various ways
and that there's been no correspondence from this person to any of the
admin addresses leads em to believe it was a premeditated attack. Why?
I don't have a clue. Hopefully, this person or their postmaster (who's
being Cc:ed to this message) will give us a clue.
I was fortunate to catch it early, and I have removed most of the mail
before it got to you. Some of ti might have snuck through, so if you
see messages that seem to be duplicates, they probably are.
It is also possible that I deleted some legitimate messages while
taking care of the garbage. If you posted sometime in the last 24
hours, and you don't see your message back by about 5PM Wednesday
afternoon (pacific time), please repost it.
All told I cleared out about 8,000 undelivered pieces of mail that had
made it through the list server, and there was another 750K of incoming
mail the server was starting to process, somewhere on the order of
another 200-250 messages by my guess, all from the same address.
This person's account has been put in the black-hole file until I get a
straight answer, so any further attempts by them to post or attack the
list should be caught and deleted. Hopefully, their postmaster will
help me figure out why this person did this -- a megabyte of mail sent
down all of your throats could have caused any number of you to go
over quota and lose other email, so I'm treating this as a blatant
denial of service attack on the list, and will follow up with them
until I get a straight answer.
Sorry for the hassles, but hopefully, we caught it before it caused too
many problems.
Chuq
List Mom
--
Chuq Von Rospach (email@hidden) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome
Plaidworks Consulting (email@hidden)
( +-+ The home for Hockey on the net)
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:36:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Susan Gottfried
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: varsity
Message-ID:
Chatham's club team is scheduled to go varsity (Div III) next year -- we
need one more year to get off the ground. And this year is going to be a
great year, too; we've already picked up four new players from around the
country (Minnesota, Texas, and Iowa), and 3 of the 4 have a ton of
experience -- just what my fledgling team needs!
Hope to meet some of you guys on the ice this year -- our travel budget
should be coming in soon and if you're near Pittsburgh, we want to hear
about it! :)
Susan
Susan Helene Gottfried
Assistant Coach, Chatham College Club Hockey
Author of the Erroll Weiss Hockey novels (pub. pending)
and out in the 'burbs of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 02:06:59 +0000
From: corey rosoff
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: new york state usa summer girls development camp
Message-ID:
> It should also be noted that this week long camp is sponsored by the New York
> State Amateur Hockey Association and is intended as a development camp for
> New York State girls .
>ny state girls coordinator would like to inform people interested in this camp that it is intended for girls of all ability levels, the camp
will feature power skating, puck control, shooting,on and off ice
training and daily scrimmages as well.
> Campers will be housed in dorms at the State University at
Plattsburgh.
> for more info call nancy denicola at 315-779-8256
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 14:43:00 -0700
From: zharris
To: email@hidden, email@hidden (subscribers to)
Subject: RE: Where is the women's equipment?!
Message-ID:
The smaller stores don't have an excuse!!!
We have a 20X20 store in our rink (Olympicview Arena in Mountlake Terrace,
WA... right next to Seattle) and they carry a variety of the women's
equipment!
It is great to be able to try on the new pants!
-Z
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Re[4]: mud wrestling vs. checking
Message-ID:
Susan, you and I would be on the same team - I'm 5'3", about 110lbs!
We had some full checking scrimmages when I was in college and it was pretty
fun. you really have to keep your head up! Fortunately, there was only one
other person who could really injur by checking, but she was on my team. I
think checking is OK for experienced "teams", but not for pick-up teams. I
think the thing that can be most dangrous is the injuries we can inflict on
ourselves by not being familiar with the proper ways to check. A girl on my
team gave herself a concussion trying to check someone once!
Jenn
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:15:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: email@hidden (Helen & Bruce Clarke)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Admin: e-mail attack on mail list
Message-ID:
Chuq
I had an "email attack" on another list i belong to at work today too.
I was multiple send of a small message with numerous large attached
documents... this created a huge (and slow) download this morning and a lot
of messing up of the computer while it came in. I wonder if something went
crazy somewhere? (This was a Canadian business women's list.)
Cheers,
Helen
P.S. I anyone on this list going to the "spring fling" tournament in
Whistler, B.C. May 9,10,11? We a putting together of sort of pick up group
here in Duncan to go over. It is their first annual and they hope to make
it into a huge season ending fun event for the future.
Bruce & Helen Clarke
email@hidden (home)
email@hidden (office)
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:12:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Where is the women's equipment?!
Message-ID:
I checked out the Louisville equipment at the World championships...and loved
it...but how much does this stuff cost? More than the Mens/juniors or about
the same?
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:43:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Susan Gottfried
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: women and checking (again)
Message-ID:
Jenn brought up a good point when she said that when she played in a
checking league (I hope I'm parphrasing you correctly, Jenn), the most
damage was done by players who didn't know how to give or take checks.
I've also seen the same problems on guys' teams when the coaches don't
know how to teach the same thing.
Maybe as we discuss the merits of checking in women's hockey, we can talk
about *teaching the coaches as well as the players* the proper way to
take and give checks! I sure wouldn't know how to teach this to my team,
and for that reason (among others), I'm glad I'm only the assistant
coach! :)
Anyone have some input on this one?
Susan
Susan Helene Gottfried
Assistant Coach, Chatham College Club Hockey
Author of the Erroll Weiss Hockey novels (pub. pending)
and out in the 'burbs of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
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