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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 544
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: To check or not to check; That is the question.
by email@hidden
2) Re[2]: mud wrestling vs. checking
by Jan de Regt
3) Re: My 2-cents worth also
by "Caroline Roberts"
4) Re: Body Checking
by "Page, Don"
5) Ontario Championships
by "Page, Don"
6) UNH girls/womens hockey camp
by "Jaime R. DeGriselles"
7) Re: Body Checking
by email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
8) RE: Gretzky & Messier
by "Nakaso, Joanne R."
9) Re: Women in the Hockey Hall of Fame
by email@hidden
10) Re: Gretzky & Messier
by June Nejman
11) Supreme Court lets ruling stand on gender equality in college
by Alan Chim
12) RE: Media Addresses -- FYI
by zharris
13) Re: new york state usa summer girls development camp
by corey rosoff
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:32:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: To check or not to check; That is the question.
Message-ID:
Very well put Lisa -
I do not think there should be checking for the younger kids. Maybe once the
younger players have control of their skills and know their strength, then
checking, like one-step checks, could be introduced. I don't think it's
really necessary for amateurs, but the refs need to get incidental contact
and blatant body-checking straight.
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I played in a non-contact roller hockey league and was pushed around much
more than was necessary. It was a men's league and at first, the opposing
players were not sure how much I could handle, but after a while, they
thought it was cool to run into me and try to push or knock me down. Most of
the time, they fell or went down with me, but it was annoying because there
wasn't supposed to be contact at all!
I'd rather play a physical game with women where body contact is permitted
(and reffed correctly) - at least you know what you're getting into.
Jenn
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Date: 21 Apr 1997 08:40:24 -0400
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re[2]: mud wrestling vs. checking
I don't believe that the answer to inconsitant officating is to change
the rules!!!! How about training the officials? Again, planning
rather than reacting is always going to work better.
Subscribe to the youth-in-hockey list, and you will see at least as
many complaints about officiating - including a lack of consistancy -
in boys' checking hockey! Changing the rules won't fix the problem!
Jan.
Cheasapeake Bay Lightning
PS-
In all of the nine games that the three teams from my club played at
Brampton, we didn't find any gratuitous checking calls! In the
semi-final women's AA, Japan vs a local team, there was WAY too much
contact and dirty, bush league junk from the local team, and there
were NO calls from the refs!
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Subject: Re: mud wrestling vs. checking
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 4/18/97 6:35 PM
The 1st game had 11 penalties. The 2nd game had 14 penalties. Sorry but
I've lost the score sheet for the 3rd game, but I assure you it was the
same. The championship game had 15 penalties called. These weren't
chippy games, either. Mind you these are 30 minute games with 2 minute
minors. This isn't hockey. This isn't what people wnat to see or play.
The calls weren't one sided either. The Brampton tournament and the
competition is and has been outstanding in every way but one. The
referees call every bit of incidental contact. This reduces the games to
special teams play only. We heard this complaint from other teams at
many different age levels. I stand firm in my belief that the no
checking rule is the cause of this. Referees are not making the right
calls. Let them check and you will eliminate a lot of penalty calling.
In games we have played where the refs allowed most contact the games
were superior in the intensity and play. The game wasn't constanly
stopped for penalties and there was more of a flow and the individual
players responded. Positively. Well conditioned athletes with proper
protective equipment should be allowed to play hockey, a contact sport,
without having to hold back from physical contact.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:19:12 -0400
From: "Caroline Roberts"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: My 2-cents worth also
Message-ID:
>Someone asked why "we" don't have checking because the rules are the
>same for boys/girls/men/women's in other sports. They AREN'T! In
>Basketball for instance, the women's ball is smaller! In
>Softball...for the most part boys/men don't play softball (till they
>get older) - they play BASEBALL! They forgot to mention Gymnastics -
>they are DIFFERENT! I can't speak for soccer and swimming. For the
>most part boys (at least here in the mid-west) don't play volleyball
>(even though they want to!) in high school or college. Just
>girls/women.
And another sport to add to the list, lacrosse. Men's lacrosse is very
physical like hockey. They wear helmets and shoulder pads and they check,
slash, hit, etc. In women's lacrosse, there are no pads or helmets (last I
checked), and body contact is not permitted. They are two very different
sports, and no one is complaining.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:10:08 +0000
From: "Page, Don"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Body Checking
Message-ID:
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:42:12 -0700
Reply-to: email@hidden
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Body Checking
> Was not the 1990 World Championships full contact?
I spoke to our Manager, Female Programs and she tells me that it was
not full contact. Although, had you been there, you would never know
the no checking rule was in effect!!!!
Body Checking was eliminated in Women's hockey in 1986.
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY
I find it interesting that the people at Canadian Hockey have this
belief. Since, having talked to players on that team and the coach of
that team this past weekend they were of the opinion that body
checking was in the rules and practiced it prior to the tournament.
The waivering by the officials during the course of the tournament to
call every clean body check on the boards boarding may have lead to
the belief that by the end of the tournament body checking was no
longer allowed. The Europeans, who still believe that their luck would
improve if checking was allowed, seem to have forgotten that they
physically were dominated when checking was allowed. How can you
expect to hit what you can't catch?
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:24:03 +0000
From: "Page, Don"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Ontario Championships
Message-ID:
I find it interesting to hear from the other parts of the world the
development of female hockey. To give you a comparison with what is
going on here in the province of Ontario I would like to let you know
about the provincial championships that took place this past weekend.
The Ontario Champions were crowned in all of the different age and
different levels in three days. Starting Friday at four locations,
with a total of 18 rinks, and finishing Sunday afternoon 253 teams
competed for all of the gold medals. From Novice A, BB, B, C to
Senior AA, A, B, and C. Everything except the highest level Senior
AAA were contested. Many of the groups had 10 teams that qualified
for their group from across the province. A few of the groups had more
than ten teams. It was an amazing weekend of female hockey played in
such a short period of time. I personaly found, that out of all the games
I watched, the Atom A championship between Windsor and Mississauga
the most entertaining of all the games. Congratulations to all the
champions and qualifiers.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:04:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jaime R. DeGriselles"
To: Caroline Roberts
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: UNH girls/womens hockey camp
Message-ID:
I just wanted to announce to everyone that UNH will be having a womens
camp for ages 10 and over the week of July 27 through August 2. Head
Coach Karen Kay will be the lead instuctor plus ormer and current
players. It will be held on the UNH campus. If you have any questions
and are interested on gettinga registration orm email me back at
email@hidden or Coach Kay herself at email@hidden
Thanks
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:45:34 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Body Checking
Message-ID:
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:16:55 -0700
> Reply-to: email@hidden
> From: "Page, Don"
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: Re: Body Checking
> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:42:12 -0700
> Reply-to: email@hidden
> From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: Re: Body Checking
>
> > Was not the 1990 World Championships full contact?
>
> I spoke to our Manager, Female Programs and she tells me that it was
> not full contact. Although, had you been there, you would never know
> the no checking rule was in effect!!!!
>
> Body Checking was eliminated in Women's hockey in 1986.
> David Baker
> Manager, Officiating
> CANADIAN HOCKEY
>
> I find it interesting that the people at Canadian Hockey have this
> belief. Since, having talked to players on that team and the coach of
> that team this past weekend they were of the opinion that body
> checking was in the rules and practiced it prior to the tournament.
> The waivering by the officials during the course of the tournament to
> call every clean body check on the boards boarding may have lead to
> the belief that by the end of the tournament body checking was no
> longer allowed. The Europeans, who still believe that their luck would
> improve if checking was allowed, seem to have forgotten that they
> physically were dominated when checking was allowed. How can you
> expect to hit what you can't catch?
>
Well, since I wasn't there, I cannot comment any further on whether
there was or wasn't bodychecking at the 1990 WWC. Seems to be an
ongoing debate. From the officiating side, we will attempt to
enforce whatever rules are agreed upon.
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:16:52 -0700
From: "Nakaso, Joanne R."
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: Gretzky & Messier
Message-ID:
June Nejman said...
>>A Women's Hockey Hall of Fame would
>>do nicely (is there one already?).
>
>>>Yes, there is, of sorts. Within the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto there
>>>is a section dedicated specifically to Women's Hockey.
>June
>
At the Pinnacle FANtasy, held in San Jose last January, in conjunction
with the All-Star Game activities, there was a display about women's
hockey in the United States and Canada. There was also a display about
local (San Francisco Bay Area) hockey, including professional and
recreational leagues.
NCWHL, a recreational women's league in the Bay Area, was included with
the display on women's hockey. NCWHL had more pictures and stuff
displayed than the men's and co-ed recreational leagues did.
I hope that women's hockey will continue to be part of the FANtasy, and
next year, as an Olympic year, hopefully there will be a MUCH LARGER
display!
*joanne
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 10:52:32 PST
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women in the Hockey Hall of Fame
Message-ID:
To All,
Don't get too excited about the display at the Hockey Hall of
Fame, I have seen it and although I was pleased to see that women
were not totally ignored, It was only ONE display case.
The HHF mentions women playing hockey in the early years and
has some photos of women in long skirts at the turn of the
century playing, in corsets none the less!
The one display contains a large photo of Team Canada and some
other memorabilia, but that one display is it. I do know that
they are planning to expand the exhibit with sweaters from other
teams and more exposure with the upcoming Olympics. There are no
inductees from women's hockey in the HHF.
I look forward to the future improvements and I hope that they
will have more displays highlighting the coming games in Nagano
and other world level women's events.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:11:37 -0400
From: June Nejman
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Gretzky & Messier
Message-ID:
At 11:26 AM 4/20/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all !
>
><< Yes, there is, of sorts. Within the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto there
> is a section dedicated specifically to Women's Hockey.
> June >>
>
>Have anyone of you, the names from the women-player in the Hockey Hall of
>Fame !
>I doesn't have the change, travelin' to canada :-)
>Can i find informations about the section of women's hockey in the WEB
>(Internet)??
>thanks a lot and bye
>
>with many greets
> Martin Melich
>E-Mail:(email@hidden od. email@hidden)
>http://members.aol.com/DonaldF95/Mhomep/eis.html
>http://members.aol.com/DonaldF95/Mhomep/welcome.html
>(The german women-ice-hockey at Internet / DEL / NHL - results !)
> - Keine Macht den Drogen - Give drugs no chance ! -
>Sorry, my Web-Sites in german language (only the first
> side avaible in english language
> Icehockey is the Element of Life
> Don't laugh, my english isn't the best,
> but - I LIKE IT, and i'm learnin' !!
>
>
>
>
To Donald and Other Interested Parties,
Check out the Hockey Hall of Fame's website at:
http://www.hhof.com
It's a lot of fun, almost like being there. They mention that the history
of Women's Hockey is in the Ford North American Zone, but if you want
specific information I suggest you check out the Resource Centre.
June
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:26:40 -0700
From: Alan Chim
To: email@hidden
Subject: Supreme Court lets ruling stand on gender equality in college
Message-ID:
This was taken from USA Today's Web page at
http://www.usatoday.com/news/court/nscot570.htm
I thought it might be of interest to those on the list:
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Court upholds rulings in Brown Univ. gender-bias case
WASHINGTON - In a closely watched dispute over sexual equality, the Supreme
Court Monday let stand rulings that said
Brown University illegally discriminated against its women athletes.
The justices, without comment, rejected an appeal in which the Ivy League
school's lawyers said lower court rulings could
require schools nationwide to offer varsity opportunities for women based
on a "stark numerical quota.''
The dispute dates back to 1991, when Brown imposed university-wide budget
cuts.
The school, which then funded 16 varsity sports for men and 16 for women,
cut off funding for four teams - men's golf and
water polo and women's gymnastics and volleyball.
The move affected 37 men and 23 women.
Some of the affected women athletes sued, contending that Brown, located in
Providence, R.I., had violated a 1972 law
known as Title IX.
The law, credited by many with changing the face of women's sports and
societal attitudes about women, bans discrimination
in education based on sex. All government-run schools and private schools
that receive federal money are covered by the law.
A federal trial judge initially ordered Brown to continue funding the
women's gymnastics and volleyball teams, and later ruled
that stripping those teams of university-funded varsity status violated
Title IX.
When the case was at trial in 1993, 51% of Browns' 5,722 undergraduate
students were women. Only 38% of the school's
897 intercollegiate varsity athletes were women.
The trial judge cited the 13% disparity in concluding that cutting funding
for the two women's teams was discriminatory. He
ordered the funding continued.
A three-judge panel of the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the
judge's finding of discrimination by a 2-1 vote last
November.
The appeals court interpreted the law and federal regulations to require a
school to have "gender parity between its student
body and its athletic lineup'' unless it shows steady progress towards that
goal or full accommodation for qualified women
seeking athletic opportunities.
Other appeals courts have reached the same interpretation.
The 1st Circuit court set aside the trial judge's order requiring continued
funding for all the women's varsity programs. Brown
officials are free, the appeals court said, to fashion some other remedy -
such as "cutting men's teams until substantial
proportionality'' is achieved.
In the appeal acted on Monday, Brown's lawyers argued, "The use of Title IX
to mandate adherence to preferential quotas
presents an issue of exceptional importance that warrants resolution now.''
It added: "Universities with budgetary constraints must cut academic
offerings to fund additional teams for women, cut teams
for men, or risk liability for damage and loss of federal funds.''
Lawyers for the women athletes urged the justices to reject the
university's appeal.
"Because intercollegiate athletic programs operate separate teams for men
and women, any determination of
non-discrimination must, by definition, compare the participation
opportunities provided for men with those provided for
women,'' they said.
"This does not amount to giving either sex a `quota' or `preference;' it
merely provides for the non-discriminatory allocation of
athletic opportunities and resources between the sexes.''
Brown's appeal was supported in friend-of-the-court briefs submitted by,
among others, the American Council on Education,
60 universities and colleges and 49 members of Congress.
The case is Brown University vs. Cohen, 96-1321.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 14:40:00 -0700
From: zharris
To: email@hidden,
Subject: RE: Media Addresses -- FYI
Message-ID:
The following is an excerpt from an article called, "The Power of the Pen,"
by Rachel Zuk, from the Women's Sports Foundation magazine, Volume VI,
Issue II -- March/April 1997 (for more information on the Women's Sports
Foundation call (800)227-3988). Make a copy of this for the future!!! What
you think does make a difference if you write a letter!
-Zoe
******************
(Quote:)
According to Lydia Stephens, Vice President of Programming and Women's
Sports Foundation Board of Trustee member, every letter makes a difference.
"At ABC, we have a formula, every letter we receive represents 100 more
viewers who are thinking about writing."
If you have something to say, either positive or negative, express
yourself. Listed below are the addresses of the major media outlets and
some key influential figures.
-Steve Bornstein, President, ABC Sports/ESPN, ESPN Plaza, 935 Middle
Street, Bristol, Conn., 06010
- Sean McManus, President, CBS SPorts, 51 West 52nd St., New York, NY
10019
- Bill Bolster, CNBC/MSNBC, 2200 Fletcher Ave., Fort Lee, NJ 07024
- Tom Johnson, CNN/TBS Superstation, 1 CNN Center, PO BOx 105366, Atlanta,
GA 30348
- David Hill, President, FOX SPorts, PO Box 900, Beverly Hills, CA 90213
- Dick Ebersol, President, NBC Sports, 30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY
10112
- Douglas McCormick, President, Lifetime Television, 309 West 49th Street,
New York, NY 10019
- Neil Amdur, Sports Editor, The New York Times, 229 West 43rd St., New
York, NY 10036-3913
- David Crook, Sports Editor, The Wall Street Journal, 200 Liberty St.,
World Financial Center, New York, NY 10281-1003
- Monte Lowell, Sports Editor, USA Today, 1000 Wilson Boulevard, Arlington,
VA 22229
- Bill Colson, Managing Editor, Sports Illustrated, Time & Life Building,
Rockerfeller Center, New York, NY 10020-1393
- Dagny Scott, Editor, Women's Sports + Fitness magazine, 2025 Pearl
Street, Boulder, CO 80302
[adapted from Women in Sports & Events (WISE) newsletter]
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 04:35:14 +0000
From: corey rosoff
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: new york state usa summer girls development camp
Message-ID:
>bernie mckinnon-ex coach of st lawrence university, pam seaborn coach of st. lawrence university, and carol mullins asst. coach of cornell as
well as michelle amidon and many other instructors will be at stafford
ice arena in plattsburgh n.y. july 6th-july 11 th for a week long hockey
camp for girls age 13-17.
>for more info and brochure call nancy denicola at 315-779-8256 or e-mail email@hidden.
>
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