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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 536
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Whither Manon?
by "Scott Perkins"
2) Cammi Granato declines tryout with the Islanders
by Alan Chim
3) Re: 1997 US National Championships
by "Jase"
4) 1997 US National Championships
by "Elmer A. Laydon"
5) Re: Cammi Granato declines tryout with the Islanders
by Chuq Von Rospach
6) Re: 1997 US National Championships
by "Elmer A. Laydon"
7) Re: 1997 US National Championships
by email@hidden
8) hockey web sites
by email@hidden
9) Re: hockey web sites
by "Scott Perkins"
10) Whither Manon?
by Suzanne
11) Re: Checking, etc
by email@hidden
12) Fees for goalies
by "Manuel Angulo"
13) Re: Checking, etc
by Nick Heim
14) Re: Fees for goalies
by email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
15) Re: Checking, etc
by "Jay Provost"
16) Re: Cammi Granato declines tryout with the Islanders
by email@hidden
17) Cammi Granato
by email@hidden
18) Re: Fees for goalies
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
19) Re: Checking, etc
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
20) Re: Cammi Granato declines tryout with the Islanders
by Dark Phoenix
21) Re: Fees for goalies
by "SYRILYN TONG"
22) Re: Fees for goalies
by Jan de Regt
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:10:59 -0400
From: "Scott Perkins"
To:
Subject: Re: Whither Manon?
Message-ID:
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> From: Kelly Connelly
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: Whither Manon?
> Date: Saturday, April 12, 1997 9:03 PM
> KELLY CONNELLY WROTE:
> What's next for Manon Rheaume? Cut from the Team Canada roster on the
> eve of the Worlds.. Is she now a longshot to make the Olympic team?
> Any guesses out there....
>
> Kelly Connelly
> Managing Editor, Canada
> Women's Hockey Magazine
I think Manon's done a lot for women's hockey. She broke gender barriers
and showed female players what they can accomplish. However, I think her
skill level as a goalie has plateaued. I think that the skill out there now
is way beyond her, and that she may not make the Olympic team. Manon will
probably become a spokesperson for women's hockey. Also, I think she may go
into coaching. She'd be a good coach.
Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings
email@hidden
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576/
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:12:42 -0700
From: Alan Chim
To: email@hidden
Subject: Cammi Granato declines tryout with the Islanders
Message-ID:
Here's a short news clipping from today's Vancouver Province (04/13/97)
about Cammi Granato that I thought might be of interest:
-----
CAMMI SAYS NO: U.S. women's team star Cammi Granato says she was seriously
offered a tryout by Islanders GM and coach Mike Milbury at the outset of
this season but turned it down.
"I'm 5-foot-6 and 140 pounds," she says. "Nobody in the NHL is that size.
What would happen if I get hit? Besides, it was going to be a circus and I
don't know if I was ready for that."
-----
Alan.
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:10:00 -0400
From: "Jase"
To:
Subject: Re: 1997 US National Championships
Message-ID:
Elmer
How did the Midgets do in Brampton, I watched one of their games, and the
they play the same
style as my team.
Dave
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> From: Elmer A. Laydon
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: 1997 US National Championships
> Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 11:39 AM
>
> In both the PeeWee and Midget divisions it will be the Connecticut Polar
> Bears vs. Michigan for the National Championship this afternoon in
> Marlboro, MA.
>
> The Polar Bears defeated Assabet Valley in the semi's in both divisions.
> I am not sure who Michigan defeated in their semi's to advance.
>
> Elmer Laydon
> email@hidden
> http://www.ctpolarbears.com
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 06:19:08 -0400
From: "Elmer A. Laydon"
To: email@hidden
Subject: 1997 US National Championships
Message-ID:
The Connecticut Polar Bears won both the PeeWee and Midget divisions of
the US girls national championships.
In my prior post, I stated the Polar Bears were playing Michigan for the
title in both divisions. The finals were actually Connecticut vs
Minnesota.
Elmer Laydon
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:40:20 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Cammi Granato declines tryout with the Islanders
Message-ID:
More power to her. If there *is* a woman who can play a skating
position in the NHL, it's Granato, but it's an iffy situation at best.
The time will come, but she's right in holding off.
--
Chuq Von Rospach (email@hidden) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome
Plaidworks Consulting (email@hidden)
( +-+ The home for Hockey on the net)
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:12:53 -0400
From: "Elmer A. Laydon"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: 1997 US National Championships
Message-ID:
Jase wrote:
>
> Elmer
> How did the Midgets do in Brampton, I watched one of their games, and the
> they play the same
> style as my team.
> Dave
>
The midgets lost to London in the semis.
Elmer
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:46:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: 1997 US National Championships
Message-ID:
Does anywone have information on team Tonawanda Lady Lightning..?
THANKS...
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:12:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: hockey web sites
Message-ID:
I'm kind of new to the web and just can't get enough of the hockey sites.
I'd love to hear which ones are your favorites to add to my list. Send me
your favorites!
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:14:34 -0400
From: "Scott Perkins"
To:
Subject: Re: hockey web sites
Message-ID:
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> From: email@hidden
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: hockey web sites
> Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 9:22 PM
> YOU WROTE:
> I'm kind of new to the web and just can't get enough of the hockey sites.
> I'd love to hear which ones are your favorites to add to my list. Send
me
> your favorites!
Hi,
My team, the K-Wings, is a women's midget travel team from Houghton, MI.
Our site is at http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576/
We have lots of links to women's sites, as well as team stuff. Check it out
:)
Later,
Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings
email@hidden
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576/
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:04:36 -0700
From: Suzanne
To: hipcheck@istar.ca
Subject: Whither Manon?
Message-ID:
> What's next for Manon Rheaume? Cut from the Team Canada roster on the
> eve of the Worlds.. Is she now a longshot to make the Olympic team?
> Any guesses out there....
>
> Kelly Connelly
> Managing Editor, Canada
> Women's Hockey Magazine
This turn of events has puzzled me since I first heard about it.
If anyone could steer me towards any news articles, internet
commentary, I would appreciate it.
I met Manon a couple of years ago while she was playing for the
RHI New Jersey Rock n Rollers and have followed her career with
much interest. From what I gathered, one of Manon's goals was to
play for Team Canada in the 1998 Winter Olympics. I'm sure this is
a big disappointment for her.
Suzanne Llywellynne
email@hidden
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking, etc
Message-ID:
Very well put, Becka. I had said something along the same about checking, but
had also joked about women fighting being a "publicity' draw. Of course, I
didin't mean that women should fight in or during a game...
I think that checking helps improve one's skills. A lot of women players
(especially beginning players) tend to keep their heads down, staring at the
puck when they should be looking around for an open player. If there is
checking, it is necessary to "keep your head on a swivel" - to always be
looking for someone coming at you. This helps in puck control and confidence
in puck control as well as passing skills, etc.
If we are taught how to check correctly and we are reffed consistently, it
ideally should remain a clean game. There are always going to be people who
play dirty, whether there is checking or not.
Jenn
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 04:13:32 UT
From: "Manuel Angulo"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Fees for goalies
Message-ID:
We are almost finished with the process of organizing a USA Hockey certified
women's team. As with all new organizations, just when you think you have all
bases covered, another issue is put on the table.
Here is the situation:
We have set individual player prices for each season. Nothing uncommon here.
This fee is the same for all players including the goalie at this point.
Herein lies the issue: Many other teams in the city (specifically in-house
leagues) charge the goalies half-price. What I would like to know is how fees
are set up for players in other areas. Is it the same for everyone or do your
goalies get a special rate and what the reasoning is behind either way.
This item is on the agenda for our next meeting which will be in a couple of
days, so any responses would be appreciated if you have had any experience
with this matter.
I can be reached at email@hidden
Thanks,
Candi Angulo
# 21 - Houston Harpies
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:11:45 +0200
From: Nick Heim
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking, etc
Message-ID:
At 14:09 12.04.97 -0700, you wrote:
>All,
>
>>
>> I called Canadian Hockey re: this video, and they had not
>> heard of it. Do you know how I can get a copy?
>
>This video has been mentioned on this list before. I called then, and
>got this same response. I assumed at the time that I just had the name
>wrong. I requested a list of the videos offered by Canadian Hockey, but
>never received it.
I saw this video a week ago, when i attended the coaching seminar paralel
to the WWC. It could be better in my opinion, but that's not an option,
since it is an official IIHF-Video.
To get it, try e-mail to Jaime McDonald: email@hidden
or CHA Officiating Manager DAve Baker: email@hidden
Let us know on the list, how it's going on.
Hope this helps a bit.
Regards, Nick
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Fees for goalies
Message-ID:
Hi Candi:
I will tell you my experience with female and male teams:
On "carded" teams with a coach, practices etc;
if there is one goalie on the team they normally pay full price
if there is two goalies on the team they normally pay half price
We have always budgeted our teams for 16 including the goalie, so if there
is one or two goalies, you still have the same amount of money to be
collected in total.
On "uncarded" teams with no coach, practices etc;
goalies pay half price or "whatever they can negotiate"
The reason for the difference between "carded" or "registered" teams and
those that are not is because the goalie gets the full benefit of the
coaches and the practices that the skaters get on the "formal" teams. In
the case of "casual" teams, the goalie may be "doing the team a favour by
playing net"
Hope that helps.
Liam
>We are almost finished with the process of organizing a USA Hockey certified
>women's team. As with all new organizations, just when you think you have all
>bases covered, another issue is put on the table.
>
>Here is the situation:
>
>We have set individual player prices for each season. Nothing uncommon here.
>This fee is the same for all players including the goalie at this point.
>Herein lies the issue: Many other teams in the city (specifically in-house
>leagues) charge the goalies half-price. What I would like to know is how fees
>are set up for players in other areas. Is it the same for everyone or do your
>goalies get a special rate and what the reasoning is behind either way.
>
>This item is on the agenda for our next meeting which will be in a couple of
>days, so any responses would be appreciated if you have had any experience
>with this matter.
>
>I can be reached at email@hidden
>
>Thanks,
>
>Candi Angulo
># 21 - Houston Harpies
>
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 01:23:38 +0000
From: "Jay Provost"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking, etc
Message-ID:
> Very well put, Becka. I had said something along the same about checking, but
> had also joked about women fighting being a "publicity' draw. Of course, I
> didin't mean that women should fight in or during a game...
Why not???? Its part of any really good hockey game.
Also, why should men's and women's hockey be so
different when it comes to checking and fighting
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 04:17:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Cammi Granato declines tryout with the Islanders
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-04-13 17:39:39 EDT, you write:
<<
Here's a short news clipping from today's Vancouver Province (04/13/97)
about Cammi Granato that I thought might be of interest:
-----
CAMMI SAYS NO: U.S. women's team star Cammi Granato says she was seriously
offered a tryout by Islanders GM and coach Mike Milbury at the outset of
this season but turned it down.
"I'm 5-foot-6 and 140 pounds," she says. "Nobody in the NHL is that size.
What would happen if I get hit? Besides, it was going to be a circus and I
don't know if I was ready for that."
-----
Alan.
>>
Nice of them to credit the NYTimes, which is where that quote appeared.
Anyway, if YOU were offered a tryout with the ISLANDERS, would you bother?
;)
Margaret
Brooklyn Blades
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:27:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Cammi Granato
Message-ID:
Kevin Dupont mentioned Cammi Granato getting a tryout in the Sunday Boston
Globe. I think she was right to turn it down, but not because of her size -
there are several players in the minors who are 5'6" and under, including IHL
All-Star Patrice Lefebvre (he's about 5'3"). Mike Milbury also coached a
very short center, Steve Tsjiiura, when he worked with the Maine Mariners
about ten years ago. The practice in the pros usually seems to be have the
short, slim player at center with at least one of the wings being a big,
tough, chippy guy who's out there to protect the center (a la Wayne Gretzky
and Marty McSorley).
A better reason is that from what I've seen, the women's teams aren't fast
enough to skate with the men. I have no idea why - most American players
were on high school boys teams and could keep up then - but the college teams
I've seen were noticeably slower than men's college or low minor teams. If
Granato had accepted the tryout, the best she could have hoped for was
playing in the Colonial League.
Training camp would have been even worse than Manon Rheaume's training camp
with Tampa Bay in 1992, since this would have been the first time a
non-goalie tried out. I really think that the next time a team wants to give
a woman a tryout, it should consider bringing in two women. The isolation of
being the only woman in camp must really be overwhelming....
Lisa Evans
Springfield, MA
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:03:57 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Fees for goalies
Message-ID:
>We are almost finished with the process of organizing a USA Hockey certified
>women's team. As with all new organizations, just when you think you have all
>bases covered, another issue is put on the table.
>
>Here is the situation:
>
>We have set individual player prices for each season. Nothing uncommon here.
>This fee is the same for all players including the goalie at this point.
>Herein lies the issue: Many other teams in the city (specifically in-house
>leagues) charge the goalies half-price. What I would like to know is how fees
>are set up for players in other areas. Is it the same for everyone or do your
>goalies get a special rate and what the reasoning is behind either way.
>
>This item is on the agenda for our next meeting which will be in a couple of
>days, so any responses would be appreciated if you have had any experience
>with this matter.
>
>I can be reached at email@hidden
>
>Thanks,
>
>Candi Angulo
># 21 - Houston Harpies
Our goalies on both boys and girls teams pay the same. We have only one
goalie for the girls, so she plays all the time. With the boys, we have 2
goalies, and when one is in goal, the other plays defence. Since they all
get the same amount of ice time, they are charged the same amount.
Debbie
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:10:20 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking, etc
Message-ID:
>> Very well put, Becka. I had said something along the same about
>>checking, but
>> had also joked about women fighting being a "publicity' draw. Of course, I
>> didin't mean that women should fight in or during a game...
>
>
>Why not???? Its part of any really good hockey game.
>Also, why should men's and women's hockey be so
>different when it comes to checking and fighting
We are talking about hockey, not mud wrestling or roller derby. Checking
may be a fact of life, but women fighting as a publicity draw is a little
(a lot?) sexist.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 11:30:44 EDT
From: Dark Phoenix
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Cammi Granato declines tryout with the Islanders
Message-ID:
> In a message dated 97-04-13 17:39:39 EDT, Margaret writes:
>
> <<
> Here's a short news clipping from today's Vancouver Province (04/13/97)
> about Cammi Granato that I thought might be of interest:
> -----
> CAMMI SAYS NO: U.S. women's team star Cammi Granato says she was seriously
> offered a tryout by Islanders GM and coach Mike Milbury at the outset of
> this season but turned it down.
>
> "I'm 5-foot-6 and 140 pounds," she says. "Nobody in the NHL is that size.
> What would happen if I get hit? Besides, it was going to be a circus and I
> don't know if I was ready for that."
> -----
> Nice of them to credit the NYTimes, which is where that quote appeared.
> Anyway, if YOU were offered a tryout with the ISLANDERS, would you bother?
>
Of COURSE not!
But if the RANGERS offered...that would be something different... ;-)
Potvin sucks!
-- Ali.
Ali Lemer -=-=-=-=- ali at panix dot com -=-=-=-=- http://www.panix.com/~ali
Old age is the most unexpected of things that can happen to a man.
-- Trotsky
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:20:29 AST9ADT
From: "SYRILYN TONG"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Fees for goalies
Message-ID:
As a goalie, I know that I've received special fees for
many leagues that I've played in, but not all leagues. I
believe the rationale is if goalies are hard to come by,
you can entice them into playing by cutting (or in some
cases waiving) their fees. So your decision may actually
change as your league evolves and more goalies become
available and desire to play in your league (I'm assuming
there are not many now!)
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Date: 14 Apr 1997 11:47:48 -0400
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re: Fees for goalies
Ours is a women's team, as is yours, I think. Our program last year
was over $28,000, and the entire cost is evenly distributed between
the players who sign on. We have two travel teams, and there are try
outs for them, and every member of both travel teams pays the same
amount, and gets the same amount of ice time and coaching.
We also have a developmental program that costs less but gets less ice
time, too.
We have not offered goalies a special price (done I suppose both
because goalies have to spend more to have all their equipment and
because you can't really play the game without one), but we've never
had to actively look for goalies. (None of the youth teams that my
son has played goalie for offers goalie discounts, either, BTW.)
Maybe you could make one price for all players, and then if you have a
hard time coming up with a goalie, offer a discount for goalies.
Jan
Chesapeake Bay Lightning #36
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