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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 533
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Admin: How to get off of, get help for WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY
by The List Mom
2) English ice hockey
by rachel billing
3) Tournament in NY
by email@hidden (Patti Jankun)
4) Re: English ice hockey
by Dark Phoenix
5) Re: Listing of Div I, II, III universities and colleges
by email@hidden (William P. Grillo)
6) Re: Listing of Div I, II, III universities and colleges
by email@hidden (William P. Grillo)
7) Re: Checking, etc
by email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
8) Re: The WWC: My view
by Rachelle Thibert
9) Re: Nike skates
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
10) Re: English ice hockey
by Robert Levasseur
11) nationals
by email@hidden
12) Re: Checking, etc
by "SYRILYN TONG"
13) Re[2]: Pittsburgh
by Jan de Regt
14) Re: Listing of Div I, II, III universities and colleges
by Andria Hunter
15) Re: Checking, etc
by Jan de Regt
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:00:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: The List Mom
To: email@hidden
Subject: Admin: How to get off of, get help for WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:00:13 +0100
From: rachel billing
To: email@hidden
Subject: English ice hockey
Message-ID:
Hi my names Rachel and I play ice hockey in England. I play for a team
called `The Medway Grizzle Bears`. Although we haven`t been doing too
well this season we all have a laugh and our team hasn`t been running
for long so hopefully we will get better!!!!!!
I was just and wondering what the difference is between English and
American girls ice hockey if there are any at all.
We have 3, 15 minute periods, do you have the same?
I can`t think of anything else at the moment. Write back to me if you
feel like it - if not don`t!!!!!!!!!
--
Rachel Billing #75
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:24:45 -0000
From: email@hidden (Patti Jankun)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Tournament in NY
Message-ID:
Hi,
I posted this previously but I'm still looking for one more team. I
play for the North Shore Indians in Massachusetts and we are hosting a
tournament in Monsey, NY on May 16th - 18th. It's a B level tourney.
It's an end of the season just for fun tournament. The teams currently
playing are Stoneham (MA), Storm (MA), NJ Selects, Hickory Hill,
Chesapeake Lightning, Hudson River Waves and us. There's a gurantee of
3 games, with a semi-final and championship game. If you are
interested please call or email me directly.
Thanks
Patti Jankun
North Shore Indians
email@hidden
h- 617-472-0967
w-617-737-0011
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 9:30:27 EDT
From: Dark Phoenix
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: English ice hockey
Message-ID:
> Hi my names Rachel and I play ice hockey in England. I play for a team
> called `The Medway Grizzle Bears`. Although we haven`t been doing too
> well this season we all have a laugh and our team hasn`t been running
> for long so hopefully we will get better!!!!!!
Hey Rachel --
I'm so glad to see women's hockey taking off in England. I went to U. of London
back in 1992 (at Royal Holloway Bedford New College in Egham, Surrey),
and the closest hockey of any sort was in the form of the Bracknell
Bees, a semipro men's team composed entirely of yobbos who laughed at me when
I told them I played hockey myself.
> I was just and wondering what the difference is between English and
> American girls ice hockey if there are any at all.
> We have 3, 15 minute periods, do you have the same?
Yes, that's generally what we play, although sometimes, if the rink is
very pressed for time (if a previous game ran late, for example, or if
they only scheduled an hour's slot for the game, which happened once),
we've played three 12-minute periods.
I doubt there's any real difference between women's hockey in the UK
and the US, except the price of the equipment which was astronomical
in England from what I remember.
Where exactly is Medway? In a home county?
-- Ali.
Ali Lemer -=-=-=-=- ali at panix dot com -=-=-=-=- http://www.panix.com/~ali
Meader's Law:
Whatever happens to you, it will previously have happened to
everyone you know, only more so.
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:09:13 -0700
From: email@hidden (William P. Grillo)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Listing of Div I, II, III universities and colleges
Message-ID:
VIC'S HOCKEY SCHOOL wrote:
>
> At 01:54 PM 4/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Does anyone know of a good source for a listing of women's ice-hockey
>
> >programs at Div I,II, and III colleges and universities?
> >
> Try the publication called the College Hockey Guide. Any college or
> univ. with a hockey program will have a copy and would pass on the
> address to you.
> Yours in Hockey;
> God Bless
>
> Vic LeMire
> President
> Vic's Hockey Schools
> Web Page - http://www.direct.ca/vics/
> E-Mail Address - email@hidden
Thanks,
Bill G.
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:11:51 -0700
From: email@hidden (William P. Grillo)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Listing of Div I, II, III universities and colleges
Message-ID:
Dan McPherson wrote:
>
> VIC'S HOCKEY SCHOOL wrote:
> >
> > At 01:54 PM 4/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Does anyone know of a good source for a listing of women's ice-hockey
> >
> > >programs at Div I,II, and III colleges and universities?
> > >
> > Try the publication called the College Hockey Guide. Any college or
> > univ. with a hockey program will have a copy and would pass on the
> > address to you.
> > Yours in Hockey;
> > God Bless
> >
> > Vic LeMire
> > President
> > Vic's Hockey Schools
> > Web Page - http://www.direct.ca/vics/
> > E-Mail Address - email@hidden
> This is one of the best information sites.
>
> http://www.cs.toronto.ca/~andria/university_hockey.html
>
> Good links from here. Dan Mc.
Thanks, Bill G.
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:24:30 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking, etc
Message-ID:
There is a video that has been produced by Canadian Hockey for the
International Ice Hockey Federation entitled "Body Contact...The
Right Call". It describes visually and with narration the difference
between body checking and body contact in female hockey. In
emphasizes the learning of such skills as angling and maintaining
body position.
Anyone who has seen this video has agreed that it is excellent. Yes
there is lots of contact in the women's game, and it can be played at
a very high skill level without body checking. I would encourage
everyone involved in women's hockey to take a look at this video.
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:07:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rachelle Thibert
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: The WWC: My view
Message-ID:
Dave
I have to agree with you about the Canadian officials. It has taken time
for them to develop and achieve the level of confidence that they
currently possess. I'd like to take a moment and remind people that it has
not always been this way. However, as these female officials do more and
more great games in the elite leagues around the country, their skills get
better all the time. I guess practice is the name of the game. :)
What do you know, isn't it always practice that sets those with skill
apart from those without?
Rachelle
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:35:00 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Nike skates
Message-ID:
>I have tried on the new Nike skates, in fact I bought a pair. They seem
>good to me, but they need to be broken in just like any new skates. They
>fit the same as the Bauers, this could be due to the fact that they
>really are made by Bauer, since Nike bought out the Bauer company. To
>sum it up I like the skates and have had no problems with them.
>
The guy at our local pro shop said that he thought the Nikes were the same
as the Bauers, just more bucks for the swoosh.
Debbie
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:09:39 -0700
From: Robert Levasseur
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: English ice hockey
Message-ID:
rachel billing wrote:
>
> Hi my names Rachel and I play ice hockey in England. I play for a team
> called `The Medway Grizzle Bears`. Although we haven`t been doing too
> well this season we all have a laugh and our team hasn`t been running
> for long so hopefully we will get better!!!!!!
> I was just and wondering what the difference is between English and
> American girls ice hockey if there are any at all.
> We have 3, 15 minute periods, do you have the same?
> I can`t think of anything else at the moment. Write back to me if you
> feel like it - if not don`t!!!!!!!!!
> --
> Rachel Billing #75
Sharon LeVasseur wrote:
I live in Montreal,Quebec,Canada. I play hockey for Boisbriand Lightning
in category A+. For your question about minutes/periods, it's the same
I play,(3, 15 minutes periods)! It's probably the same time all in
North America.
Sharon Levasseur
#68 captain
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: nationals
Message-ID:
Can anyone out there keep us updated on the game results at nationals in
Boston.
I have searched the web and nobody seems to be publishing the results. I
would really like to know what is happening at the midget level.
Thanks, Barb
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:40:45 AST9ADT
From: "SYRILYN TONG"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking, etc
Message-ID:
I called Canadian Hockey re: this video, and they had not
heard of it. Do you know how I can get a copy? Many
thanks
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Date: 11 Apr 1997 13:35:33 -0400
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re[2]: Pittsburgh
My son played in a tournament in Pittsburgh, and I bumped into a Mom
there who also wanted to know if there were any women's teams in the
Pittsburgh area - maybe you can start your own?
Jan.
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 4/10/97 8:11 PM
At 01:00 PM 4/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of any senior women's teams in or around the Pittsburgh area ?
>
>Kathy Buhl
>#8 Susquehanna Rockets
>
No, but if you find one, let me know! I'd lie to play!!
Dawn Brickell
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:37:11 -0400
From: Andria Hunter
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Listing of Div I, II, III universities and colleges
Message-ID:
>http://www.cs.toronto.ca/~andria/university_hockey.html
That address won't work because our web server is on a UNIX machine, which
is case sensitive for file names. Try the following address instead:
http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~andria/University_Hockey.html
The file that lists the US college hockey teams is at:
http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~andria/USA_College.html
Andria
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Date: 11 Apr 1997 13:49:53 -0400
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re: Checking, etc
If two players are going after the puck, a good ref would not call
checking - in either mens' or women's hockey. Next time, don't pull
up!
Jan.
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Checking, etc
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 4/11/97 1:28 AM
I have been following the controversy about checking, reffing, etc in
women's hockey and I haven't put in my two cents yet because I wasn't sure
how to phrase it. I hope this comes out right.....feel free to disagree (I
have a feeling most people will).
I will preface this by saying that I did not see any of the world
championship games. A lot of people have made comments about the refs in
the tournament, and it sounds to me like the inconsistency there was the
same as it always is in women's hockey. The problem that I have noticed at
every level is that every ref has a different definition of "checking", and
thus in some games, no contact at all is allowed, and in others, they are
very lenient. The only way that I see this being solved is if the rules are
more clearly defined about checking and what is illegal, or if checking is
allowed. If players play dirty, that is a lack of discipline on their part
and control on the refs part. Its not an issue of men's or women's hockey.
A previous post mentioned a fear that womens hockey players were resorting
to "clutching, grabbing, hooking, holding, high sticks,lousy stickwork
(men's) game". Playing dirty has nothing to do with sex! Yes, the men's
game is rougher, but dirty play is illegal there too.....women are just as
as capable of being dirty as men. A woman who makes a dirty play is not
playing like a man, she is playing like a dirty player.....it is not fair to
say that dirty play is something men do and if women do it they are just
copying men. They are playing like a jerk, no matter who they are.....don't
blame men for that.
Dirty play and checking are NOT one and the same. Players will be dirty
whether or not checking is allowed. Dirty play should not be allowed in
the mens or womens game, regardless of checking. But I feel like people
are equating dirty play with checking, and that is unfair. Checking is not
inherently dirty. Someone wrote in a previous post "body-checking,
violence, bench-brawls are not necessary in hockey". I don't think anyone
is advocating that women's teams start having bench brawls....that has
nothing to do with checking. But hockey, because of the speed at which it
is played (by men or women), does have some innate violence - collisions,
etc are inevitable. Hockey, including women's hockey, is a contact sport.
Yes, the women's game emphasizes skill more, but I would argue that
checking, executed properly, is a skill.
It seems that most people on this list are opposed to checking in women's
hockey. Thats fine, but it seems like a lot of people are against it for
the wrong reasons. I get the feeling that people are implying that women's
hockey is superior to men's because there is no checking. Hockey with
checking is not necessarily "bad" hockey, its just different. My question
is, if women's hockey is a better game, as some people have said, does it
follow that men would be better off if they played without checking too?
Should it be eliminated totally?
Personally, I am in favor of allowing checking in women's hockey. I don't
think it would turn into a dirtier or inferior game. As a matter of fact,
I think that NOT allowing checking contributes to the dirtiness at times -
because players can't check outright, a lot of them try to do more sneaky
things away from the refs. I think it is more enjoyable to play with
checking, and here is why - if I am going after a puck with a player from
the opposite team and I am in a non-checking game, I can't go after them
full force bcause I have to let off at the last second as we near the
boards or I will be called for checking. It is not natural to have to pull
back, it is more natural to follow through with a clean check. Also, I
tend to play better and be more into the game if there is some contact.
But mainly, I think its just more fun....and after all, games are supposed
to be fun.
Becka
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