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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 530
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Re[2]: Male Ref's vs Female Ref's -Reply
by "HARRIS, zharris"
2) Re[3]: Male Ref's vs Female Ref's -Reply
by "Mary Owen"
3) Re: Re[2]: Game Coverage
by email@hidden
4) Re: Re[2]: Male Ref's vs Female Ref's
by Dina Wingard
5) WWC Referee
by "Kenneth R. Veze"
6) Trading Cards
by "Kenneth R. Veze"
7) Re: CCM Kevlars
by email@hidden (Dark Phoenix)
8) Re: Re[2]: Male Ref's vs Female Ref's
by "Ken Luk"
9) Re: Trading Cards
by email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
10) Mew York times
by email@hidden
11) World Championships
by Rhonda Paprocki
12) Here's the article from the New York Timesƒ
by email@hidden
13) Re: Trading Cards
by Alan Chim
14) Re: WWC Referee
by Don Page
15) Re: Trading Cards
by Brian John Rodgers
16) women officials
by "Tom Chan"
17) Re: The Vancouver Province
by email@hidden
18) Re: Trading Cards
by Kelly Connelly
19) Re: opinions on the gold medal game
by George Bcccanfuso
20) Re: Trading Cards
by George Bcccanfuso
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 97 12:26:00 -0700
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
To: email@hidden, email@hidden (subscribers to)
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Male Ref's vs Female Ref's -Reply
Message-ID:
Unfortunately, we don't have many female refs in our area (Seattle, WA).
What our main problem is getting refs that are under-aged for our age
group. We had a ref say that he couldn't ref boy's Midgets but could ref
girl's Midget games. I couldn't believe it!
We have been having kids reffing our games that are two years younger than
the players... it is terrible. They are constantly trying to keep up with
the play *and* trying to deal with the physical outburst that one would
find in any Midget games, boys' or girls'. It has been a big problem to
get the senior officials assigned to our games.
-Zoe
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 97 13:56:09 CST
From: "Mary Owen"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re[3]: Male Ref's vs Female Ref's -Reply
Message-ID:
You wrote:
<
sorry you can't find it on the net - but for anyone with aol it is on there -
the whole article and the picture.
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 17:00:28 -0400
From: Dina Wingard
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Male Ref's vs Female Ref's
Message-ID:
I'm sorry but there is no Mary at this address.
At 12:33 PM 4/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Yo Mary,
>
>I haven't done the Rx yet cuz you said you'd call me with the number of the
>pharmacy. Let me know what it is if you still want me to do it for you.
>Thanks.
>-Ellen
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 18:02:45 -0400
From: "Kenneth R. Veze"
To: email@hidden
Subject: WWC Referee
Message-ID:
I believe Sandra Dombrowski (sp?) was the ref for the 1992 final game in
Finland as well as the final game in 1994 Lake Placid. Does anyone know if
she called the 1990 game?? Maybe Don can ask Margot. :-) She did a pretty
good job in the 92 and 94 finals. Wonder what happened here in 97!
For everyone out there on the list who's looking for stories and game
summaries on the games, check out:
http://www.canoe.ca/HockeyWomen/home.html
OR just go to Andria's Home Page: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andria/
If anyone on the list has an extra game program, from the final game, that
they'd like to part with, please give me a holler! Need one of these for my
collection! :-)
Take care all!
Ken
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 18:09:38 -0400
From: "Kenneth R. Veze"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Trading Cards
Message-ID:
Does anyone know if a card company will be producing a women's hockey card
set like Classic did in 1994?? If anyone noticed, in the latest issue of
Women's Hockey, the Team Canada member pics were by Upper Deck. Hopefully
they get something out on the market!
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 06:33:08 -0400
From: email@hidden (Dark Phoenix)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: CCM Kevlars
Message-ID:
I've had some cramping with the CCM Kevlars, yes. I notice that sometimes I
get cramps in the bottom of my feet, on the inside part (where the arch
is), which is usually remedied by a quick footrub (unfortunately, I don't
always have time to take my skates off and rub my feet in the middle of a
game; depends on how many shifts we have playing that night).
When I can remember to, I try to rub and stretch my feet muscles before
putting them on, which seems to help, too. But for the most part, I'm happy
with the Kevlars -- they're lighter, and the toe box is wider than my old
Bauer 3000s, which means I don't get my pinky bones crushed on the side.
-- Ali.
Ali Lemer -=- ali at panix dot com -=-=- http://www.panix.com/~ali-=-
"I am the atomic-powered robot. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Please give my best wishes to everybody!" -- Minsky -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 97 18:28:52 +0400
From: "Ken Luk"
To: "email@hidden" ,
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Male Ref's vs Female Ref's
Message-ID:
On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:31:24 -0700, Chuck Collins wrote:
>> I haven't entered this thread about refs so far but I must say
>> that I completely agree with you about this one point. Here in the bay
>> area, where allegedly we are a bastion of liberal thinkers, the female
>> refs have to fight to get low level kids games. Forget the adult games
>> where maybe we are given 5 a month.
>
>Hold your horses here. I can easily give you a list of male refs in the Bay
>Area that are in the same if not worse position. You get _A LOT_ more games
>than I do.
>
>The scheduling system and new referee development system in the Bay Area is
>broken. Period. If you think it has to do with being female, go ahead, but
>you are doing a disservice to your cause.
Just out of curiosity, on average, how many games do you get in a week?
Ken
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:54:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Trading Cards
Message-ID:
I spoke with Danielle Dube of Team Canada on this very topic at the Canadian
Nationals ,and she said that Upper Deck is in fact producing cards of the
players.
I expect they will come out in the 97/98 set.
Liam
P.S. If anybody is interested in current cards, I have them available at:
www.winfonet.com/Tricities/corner.html
>Does anyone know if a card company will be producing a women's hockey card
>set like Classic did in 1994?? If anyone noticed, in the latest issue of
>Women's Hockey, the Team Canada member pics were by Upper Deck. Hopefully
>they get something out on the market!
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 20:19:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Mew York times
Message-ID:
The New York Times had an article in Monday's paper about the WWC game. It
began on the front page and continued into the sports section. Did anyone
tape the final game? If so, is there any way to get a copy.
Deborah
P.S. Thanks to all for the info on the skates. =)
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:41:51 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: World Championships
Message-ID:
Hi,
Just a few comments. I had trouble with the officiating, mostly because
it didn't seem to be consistent. I had a hard time figuring out what was
being called, and on which team. (And almost had a heart attack when Erin
skated to the bench, a canadien player started on a breakaway and then a
whistle was blown).
We got up Thurs afternoon in time for the China vs Canada game. Not all
that exciting, because of the differences in the team's abilities. Although
the weaker teams often could skate fairly well, but they just couldn't keep
up with the other hockey skills against faster opponents.
China, although they lost all the games that I saw them play, had flashes of
brilliance. I think that they may surprise some people at the Olympics.
Finland, definately a strong team. It was a toss up who was going to win
in the semi finals (vs. canada). And canada didn't win til the last 30 sec or
so of the game.
The Sunday games (I didn't see 7th vs. 8th) were all great games. Close games
with no blowouts. The teams all looked good when playing against teams that
were close in ability level. Even China vs Finland (for the bronze) which I
though would be a blow out, was close. The China goalie played an incredible
game. It was around 24 shots to 4 in the third period, and tied 0-0.
Unfortunately, once Finland did score, the China team fell apart a bit, and
ended up losing 3-0, but it was a great game.
Sweden vs Russia (5th vs 6th) was a great game also. I wasn't sure which team
to cheer for, so I cheered for both. It was heartbreaking when Russia lost
knowing that it may be the end of their national team.
The gold medal game was great. I wish everyone could have seen it. It was
fast paced, great skating, passing, etc. I was heart broken the way it ended,
but it was great anyways. Unfortunately, we left right after the goal because
we were heading home, and with the overtime, leaving at midnight had us pulling
in home (in Mich.) at 3am. So, I didn't see the ceremony, but thought that
seeing that game would be a great thing for women's hockey. Too bad it wasn't
televised in the US. Lets hope the US media gets their stuff together and we
can at least watch the olympic games here in the US.
Rhonda Paprocki
Team Michigan Tornados
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:27:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Here's the article from the New York Timesƒ
Message-ID:
April 7, 1997
Women's Hockey Comes of Age
By JERE LONGMAN
KITCHENER, Ontario -- Her family had season tickets to the Chicago
Blackhawks. Her brother, Tony, would eventually play in the National Hockey
League. The boys in the neighborhood accepted her, and Cammi Granato assumed
that the NHL would accept her, too. Then, one day in junior high, her mother
took her aside and explained the hockey facts of life.
"I wanted to play for the Blackhawks," Granato said. "My mother told me I
was a girl and that was a boy thing. I cried. I loved hockey just as much as
the boys did."
A dozen years later, women's ice hockey has gained international acceptance
and authentication on its own terms. For the first time, the sport will be an
Olympic medal event, joining two other first-time sports -- snowboarding and
curling -- at the 1998 Winter Games in Nagano, Japan. Granato, 26, is a star
forward on a hockey team that, with Canada, will be an Olympic favorite and
try to sustain the gold-medal momentum generated by American women in
basketball, soccer and softball at the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta.
That momentum was evident this past week at the women's world hockey
championships, which served as the qualifying tournament for the 1998 Winter
Games in Nagano, Japan. Sunday night, the United States faced Canada in the
championship game with both of those countries having already qualified for
Nagano. Of the eight teams here, China, Finland and either Sweden or Russia,
who were in contention for the final spot, will also be part of the six-team
Olympic field. Japan, as the host country, received an automatic berth.
Checking -- the use of bodies to impede the other team -- is not allowed in
the women's game, which places a premium on the skills of skating, passing,
stick-handling and playmaking. It is the equivalent of below-the-rim
basketball, a fluid, finesse game that avoids the fighting and clutching and
grabbing of men's hockey.
The women's skill level is such that Tara Mounsey, a defenseman from Brown
University, was voted the best high school player in New Hampshire, man or
woman, in 1996. In a 10-0 rout of Sweden on Thursday that secured the Olympic
berth, Karyn Bye of River Falls, Wis., contributed a hat trick, three goals,
and Granato scored twice as the United States outshot Sweden by a stunning
margin of 73-4.
"With the Olympics, people will know women play hockey, and they will be
shocked to see that we can play at that level," Granato said. "We're not
trying to play a men's game. What we're trying to do is be recognized for our
own game and respected for it, too. We don't have to be 6-4, 220 pounds."
The U.S. women have traveled similar paths on their pioneering expeditions
toward Olympic acceptance. They grew up in the East or in the Midwestern
hockey belt of Michigan and Minnesota. They learned the game playing with
their brothers and other boys. Some, like Vicki Movsessian, a defenseman from
Lexington, Mass., first took to the ice on figure skates.
"My personality was too gritty for those outfits they had me wearing,"
Movsessian said.
One day, her father was sharpening her figure skates and he filed right
over the toe picks. She told him: "Don't worry about it. I'm not going back."
Many of the American women played on boys teams from youth hockey through
high school. Some had an easier time than others in gaining acceptance from
opposing teams and parents. Stephanie O'Sullivan, a forward from Dorcester,
Mass., had to tuck her hair inside her helmet and take the name of Steven on
one youth team; Kelly O'Leary, a defenseman from Auburn, Mass., once played a
tournament as Kevin O'Leary.
The youngest American player, Angela Ruggiero, 17, is a junior at Choate
prep school in Wallingford, Conn. Most of her teammates played at Ivy League
colleges or at other Eastern schools, such as Providence and Northeastern,
which have varsity teams. Erin Whitten, the starting goalie from Glens Falls,
N.Y., has played in several men's professional minor leagues.
"Playing against men, you're at the bottom rung of the ladder, and you
scrape to get playing time and respect," Whitten said. "There's a lot of
satisfaction when you gain that respect. But people look at me and some say I
shouldn't be there because I'm a girl. Or, 'She's doing the best she can, but
she's still third string.' With the women, I'm one of the elite players. It
makes a big difference when we all have that respect. Winning an Olympic
medal with the women's team would be way more satisfying than simply being
part of a men's team."
Unlike women's basketball, the Olympic afterglow will not help light the
way for a professional women's hockey league. The Olympics will be the summit
for these careers. So, many of the Americans, eligible for training grants
between $10,000 and $20,000 from the U.S. Olympic Committee, have delayed
school, careers and their lives as they try to make the final roster for
Nagano.
Brown-Miller, of Union Lake, Mich., resigned from her job last June as head
coach of Princeton's women's team to follow her Olympic dream. Instead of
going on a honeymoon two summers ago, she went to a hockey training camp.
Brown-Miller said her husband told her, "I don't want you sitting on the
couch and watching the Olympics and saying to yourself, 'If I had stuck with
it, I'd be there.' "
Women's hockey first appeared in Canada in 1892; Canadian television
recently identified the oldest active player in Canada as Mabel Boyd. She is
in her 70s. The Canadians defeated the Americans to win the previous three
world championships, with the first title coming in 1990. Twice in the early
1990s, goalie Manon Rheaume participated in exhibition games with the Tampa
Bay Lightning of the NHL. Canada's current team is so skilled that Rheaume,
now 25, was cut from the women's squad a week ago.
The Americans are catching up. In this decade, the number of women playing
hockey in the United States has jumped from 5,533 to 20,555, according to USA
Hockey, the national governing body. Three years ago, Minnesota declared
women's hockey a varsity sport on the high school level; this season, 67
teams registered to play.
On the college level, women's hockey is an emerging sport on the 25th
anniversary of Title IX, which forbids discrimination on the basis of gender.
The sport perfectly fit the International Olympic Committee's pressured need
to add more women and women's team sports to the Winter Games.
Finland, a three-time bronze medalist at the world championships, is
considered the other medal favorite at Nagano. But China, which lost, 6-0, to
the United States in the semifinals, has made an intriguing emergence since
1992. Coach Zhang Zhi Nan said that only 70 women in the entire country play
on an elite level, all of them from the northern industrial city of Harbin.
Still, the Chinese have developed an assertive style, based on hard work and
from watching videotapes of NHL games.
The men in the former Soviet Union once dominated Olympic hockey, but the
Russian women's team is struggling with inexperience and financial problems
now that the country's sports machine is no longer greased by state support.
Russia's top player, Yekaterina Pashkevich, has followed the lead of many
Russian figure skaters by coming to live and train in the United States. She
coaches the women's club team at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
When she began playing as a girl, Pashkevich said, people told her parents,
"Your daughter is weird." The national team is only 3 years old, and Russian
players struggle, she said, "because the economy is bad and people can't buy
equipment and pay for ice time."
On a tour of the United States several years ago, the Russian women had to
rely on the charity of American prep schools to improve their shoddy
equipment. Failure to make the Olympics may turn away sponsors and kill the
women's program outright, Pashkevich said.
"If a team is not going anywhere, no one wants to spend money," she said.
It is quite another story for the Americans. Cammi Granato is now one step
closer to fulfilling a goal that began when her brother Tony played in the 198
8 Winter Games. A onetime New York Ranger, he now plays for the San Jose
Sharks.
"I was 16; I wanted so bad to be an Olympic athlete," Cammi Granato said.
"Should I try basketball? Volleyball? It's great now to have a chance to get
there playing hockey. It's a dream come true."
Copyright 1997 The New York Times
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 20:15:46 -0700
From: Alan Chim
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Trading Cards
Message-ID:
At 03:40 PM 4/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if a card company will be producing a women's hockey card
>set like Classic did in 1994?? If anyone noticed, in the latest issue of
>Women's Hockey, the Team Canada member pics were by Upper Deck. Hopefully
>they get something out on the market!
Upper Deck is currently planning to include the U.S and Canadian Women's
National teams in the CC (Collector's Choice) Upper Deck series for their
1997-98 hockey offerings.
The CC Hockey series is slated to be released sometime between
September-October.
I'll definitely be pre-ordering mine!
Hope this helps.
Alan.
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Date: 08 Apr 97 23:24:05 EDT
From: Don Page
To: "INTERNET:email@hidden"
Subject: Re: WWC Referee
Message-ID:
Dombrowski did referee the 1992 WWC game in Finland. Bob Best, from Canada was
the referee in Ottawa in 1990. One of the linesman was from the US, a male and
the other was from Canada, a female.
The 1992 WWC Gold Medal game was an 8 to 0 blow out in front of a very small
crowd. 1994 was a more closely contested game, but the crowd was not that large
and pretty evenly divided between Canadians and Americans at Lake Placid.
In checking the 92 tape, Dombrowski doesn't appear to have improved her skating
and positioning on the ice for making calls on goals. Her speed in covering the
length of the ice makes it difficult to be in good position. The referee in this
case has not progressed along with the play of the women representing their
countries. The referees' training and experience needs to be addressed when
assigning the big games.
DP
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 02:16:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian John Rodgers
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Trading Cards
Message-ID:
i hope the card companies are smart enough to include the best team in the
tourney in the card sets...that would be finland. all this fuss about
canada and team usa...the finns had a great tourney too! as a matter of
fact their record is as good as that of team usa, less 2 goals! in my
opinion they were the finest team in the tournament, best skaters, best
team work...they were as close to winning the whole thing as anybody. and
for my money, they were by far the most exciting team to watch, and the
classiest competitors in the tournament.
johnny r.
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:23:24 -0700
From: "Tom Chan"
To:
Subject: women officials
Message-ID:
Correction pls....
At last year's PacRim, not all on-ice officials were
women. There is a minimum certification level that
the officials must possess to be considered for the
assignments (in other words, if no female official
has the appropriate level certification then a male
official will be assigned).
The long and the short is that if there are female
officials who qualify, they will be on the short list
and from there the candidates are reviewed for
various games and assigned appropriately.
I did not see the game unfortunately (our Association
had it's year-end banquet an awards dinner) but it
sounds like either the officials had a bad game or
their past evaluations were not accurate and for the
officials to develop (just like the players) they need
to take from this experience and be provided with
positive constructive criticism.
Tom Chan
Secretary - Surrey Female Hockey Association
(Logistics Coordinator - PacRim)
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 03:38:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: The Vancouver Province
Message-ID:
In einer eMail vom 09.04.97 03:02:56, schreiben Sie:
<< She complained that the
article about the finale was buried on the fifth page of the sports section,
after four pages of soccer news. I have to agree with her, Canada winning a
fourth gold is far more important than Canada tieing El Salvador in World
Cup qual match. On top of that the article was only a "quarter page size"
including the photo. >>
That's an problem all in the world. Soccer - Men's Sport ........ all wrote
about this, but womens-hockey ????
Yeah, the same problems we've in germany ! No newspaper (or TV/Radio) wrote
about the WWC, only on various Web-Sites (Internet) i'll found informations
(and in this mailing-list) - in germany, soccer is the sport nr.1 and
icehockey (mens DEL) was on place 5 after Tennis, Golf and Formula One ! And
womens-hockey, only in local newspaper we'll found sometimes an short article
! Only the german hockey-magazin wrote weekly on a half side, about the
womens-hockey - sometimes only statistics without game-comments. So i'll
write on Internet about the german womens-hockey, so any interested people,
can find informations from this sport. That's the only way at time in german,
to support this. I'll think, i'm only have reported from the WWC here in
germany - and only on my web-sites !
What we can do - for support the womens-ice-hockey ????
with many greets
Martin Melich
E-Mail:(email@hidden od. email@hidden)
http://members.aol.com/DonaldF95/Mhomep/eis.html
http://members.aol.com/DonaldF95/Mhomep/welcome.html
(The german women-ice-hockey at Internet / DEL / NHL - results !)
- Keine Macht den Drogen - Give drugs no chance ! -
Sorry, my Web-Sites in german language (only the first
side avaible in english language
Icehockey is the Element of Life
Don't laugh, my english isn't the best,
but - I LIKE IT, and i'm learnin' !!
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:05:58 +0000
From: Kelly Connelly
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Trading Cards
Message-ID:
Kenneth R. Veze wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if a card company will be producing a women's hockey card set like Classic did in 1994?? If anyone noticed, in the latest issue of Women's Hockey, the Team Canada member pics were by Upper Deck. Hopefully they get something out on the market!
I JUST TALKED WITH UPPER DECK...look for an insert set this fall,
featuring top Team Canada and hopefully USA players. More on this in
the May/June issue of Women's Hockey Magazine!
Kelly Connelly
Managing Editor, Canada
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 07:44:03 -0500
From: George Bcccanfuso
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: opinions on the gold medal game
Message-ID:
O.K. Already
Why do the refs have to be prefect but the players are not. If the
players were perfect we wouldn't need refs.
--
George Boccanfuso
And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts -Billy Joel
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 07:48:40 -0500
From: George Bcccanfuso
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Trading Cards
Message-ID:
Why only include the North American teams?
--
George Boccanfuso
And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts -Billy Joel
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