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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 361
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) The Value of Pelvic Protectors or Jills
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
2) Re: The Value of Pelvic Protectors or Jills
by "Elmer A. Laydon"
3) Re: The Value of Pelvic Protectors or Jills
by Shannon
4)
by email@hidden (Laurie Solgon)
5) Re: The Value of Pelvic Protectors or Jills
by email@hidden (Louise)
6) Women - no right to play.........
by email@hidden (Christina McCormick)
7) Re: Women - no right to play.........
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:58:39 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: The Value of Pelvic Protectors or Jills
Message-ID:
I have two daughters who play ice hockey and am hoping to become a
grandmother some day. I was looking into the need for pelvic protectors
and asked a friend who is an obstetrician/gynecologist about this question.
He said that anything that people think needs protecting i.e., ovaries and
uterus, is so deep in the pelvis and protected by bony prominences, that
the way a pelvic protector was made, it wasn't of any use. He said that
protection for the vulva was probably more important, but the construction
of hockey pants probably made that unnecessary as well (is that really
true?). So, my question is, does anyone have any information on the
origins of the pelvic protector, who designed it, how long it has been in
use, is it regulation equipment, etc? Also, (and you can answer privately
if you wish) has anyone suffered any kind of female-specific injury that
contradicts or supports my Ob/gyn friend? I have tried to get in touch
with Protex in Guelph, ON Canada who makes a Jill, but haven't had much
luck. Does anyone know of another company that makes them?
I have also heard that someone is or wants to manufacture more
female-friendly protective hockey gear. Does anyone know who it is and
where they are so I can contact them?
Thanks for all your help.
Debbie Minden
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:22:14 -0800
From: "Elmer A. Laydon"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: The Value of Pelvic Protectors or Jills
Message-ID:
Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden wrote:
>
>Also, (and you can answer privately
> if you wish) has anyone suffered any kind of female-specific injury
>that contradicts or supports my Ob/gyn friend?
I have a friend who is a doctor (he used to be on USA Hockey's equipment
committee). He specializes in sports medicine (former team doctor for pro
football, basketball and hockey teams in New York area). As I coach women
, he and I were discussing equipment and he told me of a lawsuit that he
is involved with that deals with a female goalie who was wearing a
"womens" goalie pelvic protector. Turns out it was a mans only renamed a
womans and a serious injury occurred of which he did not tell me the
specific nature. Anyway this case is now in court.
>
> I have also heard that someone is or wants to manufacture more
> female-friendly protective hockey gear. Does anyone know who it is and
> where they are so I can contact them?
>
It is Louisville Hockey and they can be reached at 502-588-7343. The last
issue of American Hockey magazine had an article on the equipment.
Elmer Laydon
Connecticut Polar Bears
http://www.iconn.net/elaydon/bears.htm
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:35:25 -0700 (MST)
From: Shannon
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: The Value of Pelvic Protectors or Jills
Message-ID:
I don't know about specific injuries per se, but I can speak from
personal experience that I will not play hockey without one. I play both
on a mens team and a womens and have been hit by pucks in both leagues in
places that would have been extremely painful had I not been wearing
one. The vulva is extremely sensitive, as anyone who has fallen on a
bike bar can tell you. I'd almost rather fall on my tailbone then be hit
in the pelvis area. Having been hit in the Jill with a guys slapshot,
I must say, I was glad it was there! So I'd say, why not wear it? You
don't notice it, and it only cost a mere $15.
<> <> <> Shannon Pelot Valerio <> <> <>
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:18:19 -0700 (MST)
From: email@hidden (Laurie Solgon)
To: email@hidden
Message-ID:
My daughter and I have season tickets to the University of Arizona Icecats
and Stanford University was in town this weekend. We have gone to the
Stanford games for the last couple of years and were pleasantly surprised
last year because Stanford has a women goalie. Her name is Sami Jo Small
and she is great!!!! My daughter plays hockey, but in Arizona there are so
few girls playing hockey, that she has played on the boys teams for the
three plus years she's been playing. There's usually only 2 to 3 girls
playing per age level. She may never see an all girl's team until she goes
to college (she's 12). But I think it's wonderful that some colleges and
universities think enough of a women's talent and ability to look past her
gender. Way to go Stanford!!!!! Keep an eye on Sami Jo, she may turn out
to be the U.S. version of Manon.
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:01:55 -0500
From: email@hidden (Louise)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: The Value of Pelvic Protectors or Jills
Message-ID:
Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden wrote:
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> So, my question is, does anyone have any information on the
>origins of the pelvic protector, who designed it, how long it has >been in
>use, is it regulation equipment, etc?
Lots of hockey pants don't have any padding at all for the area between your
thigh pads and your belly button, because the people for whom they were
designed, wear jock straps. I wear a jill strap to protect my lower belly
and pelvic bone from shots (I play defence) and from flying sticks (I
sometimes play with beginners.) Cooper was one of the first companies to
make a jill strap, and they still make them, as do Protex, and I think
WinnWell.
As for whether they are required, different jurisdictions have different
rules. The OWHA rules do not require pelvic protection, and I don't really
think that they're necessary for little girls on recreational teams, (except
goalies). However, many local hockey organizations have chosen to require
their girls to wear either a jock or a jill. I suspect that in many cases
this is due to the people who make the rules coming from boys' hockey.
One of the other posters said that she doesn't notice it at all when she's
wearing it. That is quite true, when it fits right. But I can't be the
only woman hockey player whose waist size is now too big for the Cooper
Large? As we make equipment manufacturers aware of the needs of the female
market, we will need to point out to them that the women who need to buy
hockey equipment aren't only tall, fit elite athletes, but also other women
of all shapes and sizes, who need comfortable safe equipment that fits
properly.
Louise
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 95 23:57:44 GMT
From: email@hidden (Christina McCormick)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Women - no right to play.........
Message-ID: <30E48078@cmccorm>
Hi all!
gypsy@prim wrote:
> My daughter plays hockey, but in Arizona there are so
>few girls playing hockey, that she has played on the boys teams for the
>three plus years she's been playing. There's usually only 2 to 3 girls
>playing per age level. She may never see an all girl's team until she goes
>to college (she's 12).
Here in Australia, we've got the same problem. Here we have on average about 10
girls playing on each age level, but the VIHA ( the local league bosses) ahve just
decided to bring in a ruling that girls can only play in Junior C (under 13's)
and in seniour C (open age, non contact) Which means small girls have to go from
playing boys about their age and their height/weight, to playing HUGE fully grown
men!
All gils are expected to play in the womens league which is practically NON existant in my home stae of VICTORIA (in Australia)
We have ONE team, the Melbourne Dolphins, and at the moment we are playing in a
senior C summer competition, and we are still taken as a joke, even though we gave
the best guys team a run for their money! But still, we get told to get off the ice,
or the guys are told to be easy on us, cause (and I quote:) " they might get hurt"
(un quote)
I always thought the point of the game was to have fun, no matter what your gender!
Does anyone else have this problem? As it is, Australian women, who play ice hockey,
have no chance at playing hockey in University, unless they go overseas to the US or
Canada.... even then we wouldn't get a chance because the skill levels here are
crap compared to the rest of the world!
Does anyone have any advice as to how women in Australia can set up a proper, all age
level league?
Does anyone have any ideas about how we can win the guys' support?
Thanks.
Chris McCormick.
PS: I updated my home page if anyone would care to take a look....
I'm also looking for more hockey links to add to my page.......
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 23:02:43 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women - no right to play.........
Message-ID:
Dear Chris:
Just a thought. Now that women's hockey is an Olympic sport, perhaps you
could get some backing from the Australian Olympic Committee in setting up
more equitable rules. Australians have always been great competitors and
in order to have any chance of getting together some kind of team, you need
a farm team of young girls who can be trained to play well and have a
chance in upcoming Olympics. Of course if it means that the non-select
players benefit, get decent ice time and have, dare I say it fun, playing a
great sport, who is to be any the wiser? Sometimes the bullies on ice need
to face the real enforcer in order to back down a bit. Good luck and
here's hoping we make it to some tournament together.
Debbie
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