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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 358
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: That's Entertainment!
by Susan Gottfried
2) Play it Again Sports
by "Sarah Englander"
3) Team Finland Women: 3 Nations Cup roster
by Nick Heim
4) Re: Associations
by email@hidden
5) Re: Play it Again Sports
by Ingrid Moon
6) RE: Play it Again Sports
by "Ashmun, Julia D"
7) RE: Play it Again Sprots
by Douglas Aguillard
8) Re: Play it Again Sports
by "Ashmun, Julia D"
9) PIAS
by "Machnik, Heather (HQ)"
10) Re: Play it Again Sports
by email@hidden
11) Re: Team USA
by Mike Machnik
12) The WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY mailing list subscription, help, and usage guide
by The List Mom
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:33:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Susan Gottfried
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: That's Entertainment!
Message-ID:
Debbie, I hope you pointed that out to the rude ... idiot ... who yelled
that in the first place! ;)
Susan
Susan Helene Gottfried
Assistant Coach, Chatham College Club Hockey
Author of the Erroll Weiss Hockey novels (pub. pending)
and out in the 'burbs of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden wrote:
> Tonight I took my 9 year old daughter to the new Corestates Center in
> Philadelphia to see the Flyers vs. The Mighty Ducks of Anaheim. The game
> was 1-0 for the Flyers and beginning to slow down. Some guy behind me who
> had had more than his limit of beer yelled out, "You play like girls."Just
> then, the Flyers scored a second goal, to end the second period. Out came
> the Mites on Ice. All boys with the exception of the blue goalie, a girl
> named Jackie who had a blond ponytail down to her waist. Well, she shut
> out the red team. Hextall got a shut out too. So I guess the Flyers were
> playing like girls tonight. ;)
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:40:48 -0400
From: "Sarah Englander"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Play it Again Sports
Message-ID:
Laurel Beverley wrote:
> the unfortunate side effect of encouraging equipment
> theft. This is because they buy used equipment with no
> questions asked, and unwittingly provide an easy outlet
> to dispose of stolen goods.
> I am not trying to libel the chain, I only wanted people
> to be aware. (no offense, Ingrid :)! ).
and in response Ingrid wrote:
> As a personal friend of a P.I.A.S. store owner, I have to say that the
> theft from his store exceeds any possibility of his purchase of stolen
> goods. It happens to everyone. Besides, by turning stuff in, even in
> near-new and new condition, you don't get much money at all (only 30%
> value in cash)--pocket change to put toward your own purchases. So my
> opinion on the matter is that while in theory this might be valid, in
> practice it is hardly worth the effort.
First having something 'happen to everyone' never makes it OK!
More to the point receiving stolen goods is a crime!
How does having merchandise stolen from his store justify the selling stolen
equipment? Granted it is sometimes hard to determine whether the equipment has
been stolen. However, there are cases where it becomes quite obvious. For
example, a teammate who had her equipment stolen went to a Play it Again Sports
only to find her skates. No, her name was not in them. But she could give them
a time frame for when the skates appeared in the store along with the police
report. She BOUGHT them back.
The real problem can be solved only by the store owners. To the best of my
knowledge, the owners of these stores do not acknowledge the problem! We, as
consumers of their products, should demand that this problem be addressed. In
this way maybe we can arrive at a reasonable solution.
Sarah
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 18:05:56 +0200
From: Nick Heim
To: email@hidden
Subject: Team Finland Women: 3 Nations Cup roster
Message-ID:
>>From email@hidden Thu Oct 24 16:52:34 1996
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>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:37:58 -0400
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>From: Richard Hungerford
>Subject: Team Finland Women: 3 Nations Cup roster
>To: Multiple recipients of list INFO-HOCKEY-L
>
>
>Many thanks to Robin Lock (STLU) for faxing me the Finnish roster. A few
>of these women have played at Canadian colleges. I see a few missing
>names on this roster from the team that played at WWC '94, so I would
>assume this is not the full-strength Team Finland.
>
>Finnish National Team Roster (Three Nations Cup)
>
> # Name
>
>Goalies: (2)
>19 Tuula Puputti
> 1 Lisa-Maria Sneck
>
>Defenders: (8)
> 2 Katri-Helena Luomajoki
> 4 Katja Lehto
> 5 Satu Huotari
> 6 Pirjo Nieminen
> 7 Anne Haanpaa
>20 Kirsi Hanninen
>25 Maria-Helena Palviia
>27 Palvi Salo
>
>Forwards: (14)
> 8 Vilia Lipsonen
> 9 Marianne Ihalainen
>10 Sari Fisk
>11 Heli Romu
>12 Rose Matilainen
>13 Riikka Nieminen
>14 Maria Selin
>15 Sari Krooks
>17 Marika Lehtimaki
>21 Petra Vaarakallio
>22 Sanna Lankosaari
>24 Kati Kovalainen
>28 Katia Riipi
>29 Karoliina Rantamaki
>
>
>Head coach: Rauno Korpi
>Asst Coach: Jorma Kurjenmaki
>
> _____________
>/
> good shooting
> hungerf
>_____________/
>
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>
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 09:57:27 PST
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Re: Associations
Message-ID:
I am not entirely sure what thread this messages was concerning,
but I just wanted Ingrid to know that in So Cal we have a women's
league and our insurance issues are covered by USA Hockey.
You might want to contact Kathy McGarrigle of the So Calif Rays
(909-594-2111) for information concerning joining our league or
obtain information on what is need in California legalwise in
forming your own league.
> From: Ingrid Moon
>
> Subject: Associations
> If I were to try to form an association or league or
> something of this nature in So. Calif., would I also
> need to worry about legal and insurance issues?
> Insurance is a big deal in California and everyone
> makes a fuss over it.
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:01:56 -0700
From: Ingrid Moon
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Play it Again Sports
Message-ID:
Sarah Englander wrote:
> First having something 'happen to everyone' never makes it OK!
> More to the point receiving stolen goods is a crime!
>
> How does having merchandise stolen from his store justify the selling stolen
> equipment?
I did not mean to imply that it was justified or okay :)
> The real problem can be solved only by the store owners. To the best of my
> knowledge, the owners of these stores do not acknowledge the problem! We, as
> consumers of their products, should demand that this problem be addressed. In
> this way maybe we can arrive at a reasonable solution.
My friend acknowledges the problem and the entire cooperative of 30
stores in So. Cal. addresses the issue frequently. However, there is no
real way to determine if goods are stolen. Perhaps they should demand a
purchase receipt from the original sale before accepting used
equipment? However, if stolen property is found in their stores and
then the victim must BUY them back, this is both bad publicity for the
store and chain and in my opinion is contributing to the crime.
Ingrid
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 14:56:00 EDT
From: "Ashmun, Julia D"
To: women-in-hockey
Subject: RE: Play it Again Sports
Message-ID:
I work with a number of Play-It-Again Stores in our community and have found
them be very supportive of women's ice hockey. During the first Russian
team tour, before their own Federation would recognize them as valid
National team (now ranked in the top 5), they little equipment, it was PIAS
that gave us a significant discount (and even some new equipment for free)
to getting their goalies and players suited up for international
competition. When a college club in our area had record number of players
trying out that did not have equipment, it was PIAS that loaned the club
equipment during the 2 week try-outs. These are the same PIAS that give
girl/women hockey players 10% on all hockey purchases.
The situations above are win/win scenario for the store and the players. If
we've noticed a problem with stolen equipment, the lets work with them in
making them aware of the severity of the problem and come with
solutions/recommendations. For example, many shops that deal with used
stuff (such as pawn shops) requires the seller to identify themselves with a
drivers license. If it's an expensive item (or an item often stolen) the
drivers license number is written down on an index card or the back of the
check that PIS issue them and filed for future reference. PIS in our area
also mentions that they keep an eye out for equipment that doesn't match the
seller (wrong size, seller that knows nothing about the sport, etc.).
At least 50% of our team players purchase used equipment, including myself,
because we can't afford new equipment. This is a service that we need and
benefit from. No one wants to buy stolen equipment, even at a discount nor
do I think the stores intentionally purchase stolen good, I recommend that
we use all the brain power on this network to come up with ways of resolving
the situation.
Julia Ashmun
Women's Ice Hockey Fund
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From: women-in-hockey
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Play it Again Sports
Date: Thursday, October 24, 1996 9:54AM
Laurel Beverley wrote:
> the unfortunate side effect of encouraging equipment
> theft. This is because they buy used equipment with no
> questions asked, and unwittingly provide an easy outlet
> to dispose of stolen goods.
> I am not trying to libel the chain, I only wanted people
> to be aware. (no offense, Ingrid :)! ).
and in response Ingrid wrote:
> As a personal friend of a P.I.A.S. store owner, I have to say that the
> theft from his store exceeds any possibility of his purchase of stolen
> goods. It happens to everyone. Besides, by turning stuff in, even in
> near-new and new condition, you don't get much money at all (only 30%
> value in cash)--pocket change to put toward your own purchases. So my
> opinion on the matter is that while in theory this might be valid, in
> practice it is hardly worth the effort.
First having something 'happen to everyone' never makes it OK!
More to the point receiving stolen goods is a crime!
How does having merchandise stolen from his store justify the selling stolen
equipment? Granted it is sometimes hard to determine whether the equipment
has
been stolen. However, there are cases where it becomes quite obvious. For
example, a teammate who had her equipment stolen went to a Play it Again
Sports
only to find her skates. No, her name was not in them. But she could give
them
a time frame for when the skates appeared in the store along with the police
report. She BOUGHT them back.
The real problem can be solved only by the store owners. To the best of my
knowledge, the owners of these stores do not acknowledge the problem! We, as
consumers of their products, should demand that this problem be addressed.
In
this way maybe we can arrive at a reasonable solution.
Sarah
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:33:44 -0700
From: Douglas Aguillard
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Play it Again Sprots
Message-ID:
Hi Everybody,
Before it gets out of control.
In 1992, before I got involved in the Hockey/Inline industry as a Sales
Rep/Mgr., I was a Store Mgr. for the largest PIAS in the franchise. The
problem with stolen equipment coming into the store is a major
problem/headache for the Corporate Office/Store Owner/Store Mgr. They by no
means encourage the act of stealing.
A PIAS is something like a Pawn Shop of sporting goods, and like a pawn
shop, the law in California makes the store record all info from the seller
before they are handed a check. If the item in question has a serial number,
it must be sent to the local Police Dept. for a stolen property check before
it can be sold again.
I helped the police many times, in apprehending thieves,trying to sell
stolen property, but there is no way it all can be found. We (being six
blocks from the beach) would not accept any WET wetsuits, because we felt
they were stolen right off the beach. But then the criminals got smart and
would dry them before bringing them in.
One way of countering the thieves is to notify all of the sporting goods
resellers in your area and give a description of any stolen property, and
give them your phone number, so they can call you. Alot of times, the stores
will ask you if you want them to go ahead and purschase the items and then
reimburse them them for the purschase.
Remember, if you see something that has been stolen in a PIAS, let them
know, get your Police report, and notify the police dept., The store owner
is required to return it to you at NO COST to you. The store then is out of
money, not you.
Good Luck,
Douglas Aguillard
San Diego, CA.
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 16:43:00 EDT
From: "Ashmun, Julia D"
To: women-in-hockey
Subject: Re: Play it Again Sports
Message-ID:
At what store did the stolen equipment show up at?
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From: women-in-hockey
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Play it Again Sports
Date: Thursday, October 24, 1996 11:12AM
Sarah Englander wrote:
> First having something 'happen to everyone' never makes it OK!
> More to the point receiving stolen goods is a crime!
>
> How does having merchandise stolen from his store justify the selling
stolen
> equipment?
I did not mean to imply that it was justified or okay :)
> The real problem can be solved only by the store owners. To the best of my
> knowledge, the owners of these stores do not acknowledge the problem! We,
as
> consumers of their products, should demand that this problem be addressed.
In
> this way maybe we can arrive at a reasonable solution.
My friend acknowledges the problem and the entire cooperative of 30
stores in So. Cal. addresses the issue frequently. However, there is no
real way to determine if goods are stolen. Perhaps they should demand a
purchase receipt from the original sale before accepting used
equipment? However, if stolen property is found in their stores and
then the victim must BUY them back, this is both bad publicity for the
store and chain and in my opinion is contributing to the crime.
Ingrid
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:05:00 -0400
From: "Machnik, Heather (HQ)"
To: WIH
Subject: PIAS
Message-ID:
In response to the thread about stolen equipment and purchasing from
PIAS,
How are the store owners/management supposed to verify that it belongs
to whomever brought it in? Are they going to have to demand that
consumers present a receipt to verify that they purchased the equipment,
before PIAS will accept to buy it from the consumer? That might be one
solution.
Another solution would be to call your local police dept. and inquire
about their property identification program. They might be able to etch
a name and phone number into the equipment (probably on everything
except the gloves). Then PIAS staffers could thoroughly inspect the
equipment for etchings, and reject sales on that basis.
Perhaps if there is a PIAS corporate office, they could advise their
franchisees to request photo i.d. from consumers before performing such
inspections, and asking if they have the right to sell the equipment.
If they find an etch on the gear that differs from the information given
by the consumer, they should be able to confiscate the equipment and
call the police (who could then call the person named in the etch).
I know police departments do this (etch i.d. program) for other personal
property items (i.e. stereos, mowers, snowblowers, etc.), it might be
worth checking into.
-heather
Plattsburgh State '92
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:23:38 -0400
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Play it Again Sports
Message-ID:
One way the stores could deter theft and the receiving of stolen goods is to
require people trading in equipment to fill out a sales slip that could
discretely ask for their name and address as a formality.... Then if someone
was to prove the equipment stolen the "stealee" could be caught and made to
pay for damages!
We have one of these stores where I live and they're great! I've bought lots
of stuff from them and traded in stuff when I've wanted to upgrade equipment.
I'm sure that this would be a reasonable request that could stop the problem
at the source and would require a minimum of inconvenience for honest people
trading used equipment. At least you wouldn't have to go through the
frustration of buying your own skates back!
Lisa :>
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:35:45 -0400
From: Mike Machnik
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Team USA
Message-ID:
Abby Clabough (email@hidden) writes:
> Several members of the Clarkson Edge (formerly known as Clarkson Women's
> Hockey) went to the game last night in Canton, NY. It was inspiring to see
> the women playing in the Team USA jerseys, preparing for the Olympics.
> However, it was disappointing that the arena was probably not even half
>full.
> I expect thatwhen the Clarkson Golden Knights play the Polish national team
> tonight, Cheel will be holding many more spectators. While I do not play to
> please anyone other than my team and myself, it seems that we have a long
>way > to go before women's hockey is taken seriously at any level.
According to the Knights box posted to USCHO, Clarkson only drew 800 for
its men's exhibition with Team Poland (about 25% capacity). This doesn't
change the fact that the Team USA women's game should have gotten more
publicity, but on the other hand, even the men's game was in that position
once too. It's only recently that the men have started drawing very well
around the country as the game has grown.
There is still a ways to go for the women, but we can be happy with the
fact that a comparison of today and several years ago shows that the
women's game has grown by leaps and bounds. There won't be a sudden
conversion overnight, just as there was not for the men. Gotta be
patient...it will pay off someday. :-)
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8) KEEP MESSAGES SHORT AND TO THE POINT. The longer and sloppier your
messages are, the harder they are to read -- the fewer people will bother.
Spelling, punctuation, grammar, formatting all count. Take some time to make
your messages look good. If you don't take pride in your words, why should
anyone read them? Just tossing off text that looks like it was printed by a
malfunctioning printer serves neither you nor your ideas well. Take a few
minutes to clean things up and make them look like you care -- or nobody
else will, either.
9) NO SPELLING OR GRAMMAR FLAMES. And having said that, while spelling and
grammar counts, flames about them are really lame, especially because about
70% of the time the person doing the flaming misspells something in his
flame. Go figure. Don't embarrass yourself with stupid kid stuff like this.
We have more important things to argue about.
10) KEEP SIGNATURES SHORT AND IN GOOD TASTE. Keep your signatures as short
as feasible, and keep them in good taste. Material in your signatures will
be judged the way the rest of your message is -- if it's inappropriate for
the list, it's inappropriate for the list. Excessively long, useless, boring
or annoying signatures are also not appropriate -- we may ask you to stop
using them on the list, and if you refuse, remove you from the list.
Signatures are there to identify you, not to be used for ascii pictures of
the Death Star or copies of War and Peace.
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Fri Oct 25 01:00:09 PDT 1996
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