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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 391
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Fighting
by Andria Hunter
2) Free Subscription to new Women's Hockey Newsletter
by Andria Hunter
3) RE: Fighting
by Deanna Manson
4) Re: MOUTHGARDS
by email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
5) Re: Checking
by email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
6) Re: Checking in Hockey
by email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
7) Videotape: Acceptable body contact in female hockey
by email@hidden (Karen Kane)
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:32:17 -0500
From: Andria Hunter
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Fighting
Message-ID:
>I'm a scrapper!!! Oh-oh...should I admit this? I would never hurt
>anyone but I am definitely an antagonist on the ice. I find it very
>effective to "get the goat" of the other players by saying things or
>giving them little knocks on the helmet, etc. Last year I laid a girl
>out flat because she was doing things to me that could have hurt me
>(cross-checking me across the back, etc) and she just had to be taught
>a lesson. By the time she got up off the ice I had already skated away
>and she couldn't tell who had hit her and starting scrapping with
>another girl on our team. It was right a the end of the game though so
>it was kind of a useless scrap. I also have a lot of broomball
>scrapping stories if anyone is interested...
I'd have to say that I'm exactly the opposite. I'd prefer not to take
the risk of getting a penalty because that would be two minutes that I
would spend in the penalty box, and thus would not be able to play!
I'd much rather get even by putting the puck in the opposition's net.
And more importantly, I would never want to take the risk of injuring
someone. Even if you don't mean to hurt someone, if you have the
attitude of wanting to try to get away with things, I think it's
more likely that you'll end up injuring someone in the long run.
Just my 2 cents!
Andria
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:42:14 -0500
From: Andria Hunter
To: email@hidden
Subject: Free Subscription to new Women's Hockey Newsletter
Message-ID:
Hi There!
For more information about the new "women's hockey" newsletter that
will be available soon, please see the following web page:
http://www.hockeyplayer.com/wh/
"Women's hockey" is a journal of women's ice and roller hockey in
North America. It is a publication of the Hockey Player magazine.
If you do not have access to the web, and you would like to sign
up to receive the first issue free, here is what you need to do:
* Simply e-mail your name and address to: email@hidden
* The subject of your e-mail message should be
"Women's Hockey Newsletter"
Your first issue is absolutely free. If you wish to order subsequent
issues, the cost for a 1-year subscription (6 issues) is only $13.95
(Payable in US or Canadian funds).
My only involvement with this newsletter is that I'll be writing
a column that discusses my women's hockey web pages.
Andria
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| ... She shoots! ...... She scoooooores!!! |
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| ~o ~o ~o ~o | ~o __|\ )_ |
| \____/|) <|> (|\_____/ \/Y\/| `#(|\0__/ /| \__) |
| /> /> \ /> . /\ ('\\---' | .| | |
| z z . z z \_. z z z z \_\_\ | | |
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| TEAM CANADA - WOMEN'S WORLD ICE HOCKEY CHAMPIONS - 1990, 1992, 1994 |
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| For women's hockey info via the world wide web: |
| http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andria |
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:44:51 -0400
From: Deanna Manson
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: Fighting
Message-ID:
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Point taken Andria. I should be more careful actually. I guess I'm one =
of those no-brainers when the adrenaline gets flowing. Luckily the =
girls on my team know me well and can counter my antics. The funniest =
thing about all of this is that my best friends in the world of =
broomball and hockey across Canada (I'm in the military) are girls who I =
have "scrapped with" on the ice. We don't recognize each other off the =
ice and become the best of buddies over a beer or a coffee before we =
realize what we are doing!!!
Deanna Manson
Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:25:03 -0900
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: MOUTHGARDS
Message-ID:
Susan Gottfried wrote:
>
> Hey, all. When putting together the Chatham team, we were talking about
> mouthguards and *why* they're so important (some of my girls haven't worn
> them in years, if at all).
>
> What happens is that even though your face is protected from hits, if
> you fall, your teeth can clack together and break that way. I've had it
> happen on a bad fall -- it's not fun.
>
> there are two types of mouthguards: the
> dip-in-boiling-water-and-bite-down-to-form mouthguard and the ProForm,
> which your dentist makes from a mold of your teeth. While the former
> guard is cheaper and great for growing mouths, it's also a thicker
> plastic and hard to talk around. If you're like me and talk a lot while
> playing (it's the coach in me...), I'd suggest avoiding this one. Also,
> they have to be trimmed down to fit your mouth, and when I tried when I
> started playing, I just couldn't get it right (which is why I went
> without and had that wonderful experience of my teeth clacking together
> as my bottom clacked together with the ice).
>
> As for the ProForms, these are the guards you see pros wearing (thus, the
> name). I believe the NBA also wears them, too. They are thinner plastic
> and made to fit you perfectly - but beware! Don't buy them in clear or
> black because of swallowing problems (if you swallow it, you can't see it
> in your throat, so says my head coach, who is also a ref) -- the boiling
> kind come with a string that you can attach to your cage or face shield.
>
> Yes, ProForms cost more money (most dentists charge about $60), but I
> think they're better for you -- and you can talk around them! I love
> both of mine and they're easy to keep clean -- dump it in mouthwash, or
> to get the Oreo cookies off (don't ask, okay? I was starved), a
> toothbrush works great.
>
> Hope this helps. Sorry about the .sig -- there's not a book deal that's
> been confirmed yet, but keep the positive words coming! I need them to
> keep my spirits up (and of course, send me your favorite hockey stories
> -- I still have four more books in the series to write).
>
> Keep your teeth in one piece--
>
> Susan
>
> Susan Helene Gottfried
> Assistant Coach, Chatham College Club Hockey
> Author of the Erroll Weiss Hockey novels (pub. pending)
> and out in the 'burbs of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
!!! Your teeth clacking together can also cause concussions !!!
As to questions regarding fitting the Shock Doctor. Ask the dealer!
They have a device that the intended wearer bites on and tells them what
the correct size is for the given skater.
ALL MOUTHPIECES MUST FIT PROPERLY TO WORK PROPERLY!!!
Lyle
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:46:53 -0900
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking
Message-ID:
email@hidden wrote:
>
> I would like to comment on the checking/non-checking issue. For
> those girls and women out there who would like to see checking, I
> wonder if you have ever truly BEEN checked into the boards? I really
> feel that if they were to go to checking it would 1) ruin the game
> and make it the same as the boys. That being a game which relies on
> brute strength and a violent game. 2) detract from the finesse game
> that the girls and women currently play.
>
> I just heard about a girl in the Bloomington, MN area who has played
> boys hockey all the way through. She didn't want to join the girls
> high school team this year and placed on the Bantam A boys team after
> tryouts. She is now walking with a walker and will probably never
> play hockey again. Now, mind you, this situation is the "bigger" boy
> vs the "smaller" girl out on the ice.
>
> I was lucky to be at the first World Championships in Ottawa, Canada
> and witnessed the "checking" game. European rules dictated and that
> first tournament was scheduled to be a checking tournament. After
> the first couple of games, the committee met and decided that it was
> a disaster. Now all of these elite skaters learned the correct
> checking techniques for the tournament....but the committee opted to
> continue the tournament with open ice checking - taking out checking
> along the boards. The second World Championships went to
> no-checking. I found the flow of the game, the finesse is much
> better to watch now than that first tournament. I LOVE the women's
> game. It's not a "lesser" game then the men's...I feel it is a
> better game. A game that is played the way hockey was MEANT to be
> played!
>
> Dorene
For all readers:
It is my understanding that checking was removed from the Girls/Women
Section of USA Hockey due to considerations of the International Ice
Hockey Federation. My experience as a coach has shown that the first
thing female players started doing after checking was removed was to
start dropping thier heads! I personally think checking is a great
dimension of the game.
Certainly, when Wayne Gretzky was young, the big player vs. small player
issue was obvious. It was also obvious that he dominated by virtue of
the fact that he almost always had his head up and was extremely
difficult to check! I have shown a lot of video to the boys I have
coached, hoping to emphasize this point. It has always been amazing to
watch the "Great One" decide when he would or would not be checked.
Most often, he seamed to allow himself to be checked right as he dished
off an awesome pass to a team mate that almost always scored! It is
interesting how Marcel Dionne, Pavel Burre, Mario Lemieux and a bunch of
other great players could dominate with a finnesse game right smack in
the middle of what is nothing less than a great physical confrontation!
For now, I think checking is history for Girls/Women. As a coach I have
yet another challenge... I will strive to meet it...
Lyle
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:53:19 -0900
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking in Hockey
Message-ID:
Karen A Robinson wrote:
>
> Having seen some of the posts on this subject, I realise that I may be in
> the minority. I would prefer if checking stayed out of women's hockey.
>
> To state the obvious, hockey with no checking requires different skills
> and strategies than hockey with checking. I much prefer to watch a top
> level womens game (with no checking) than an NHL game. To me, for
> example, watching (and trying to emulate) a player take someone off the
> puck, without the option of hitting them, is more intriguing...more
> challenging and skillful.
>
> I tend to think of the differences between the way women and men play
> hockey the same as the differences of women and men playing tennis - they
> are playing the same sport but it is a different game. and I prefer the
> game the women play.
>
> Karen
> email@hidden
I just posted regarding this topic. But I wanted to add...
I love both games! I especially enjoy watching a top notch girls team
play a top notch boys team!!! It is always interesting to see how a
boy, that may not be dominant, reacts when he suddenly has an extra
second of time and knows that his pass or shot won't be followed by a
bone jolting check. It is also interesting to watch one of the
headstrong boys decide that now that there won't be a check, he can do
what he wants, and ends up getting stripped of the puck by those girls
that he most often, just won't respect!!! And its even better when she
stuffs the goalie to boot!!!
Lyle
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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 04:30:22 -0700
From: email@hidden (Karen Kane)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Videotape: Acceptable body contact in female hockey
Message-ID:
Since the latest rage is this discussion on body-checking or not, I'll tell
you about a videotape which was shown at the referee clinics in Calgary,
Alberta.
The tape is about 6 minutes long, it was produced by Canadian Hockey for the
International Ice Hockey Federation and it illustrates what is an acceptable
level of body contact in female hockey. It accomplishes this through
highlights from various International games, and set-plays, designed to
mimic isolated game situations.
It basically establishes that any contact that results from angling, or from
a desire to play the puck is generally acceptable, while the act of trying
to separate the puck carrier from the puck is not. It is effective in
showing that a game can become quite physical, even though there are no pure
body-checks (something a lot of you have mentioned).
My own experience as a referee shows there are two significant problems with
body-checking:
1. The "Pin-Ball": A player who needs to hit EVERYONE that moves
2. The "Wrecking Ball": A player who needs to hurt EVERYONE who gets hit
These types of players (and/or their coaches) do not yet have the hockey
maturity to realize that body-checking is just another strategy to help
their team gain posession of the puck.
In the male system, body-checking is a temporary reality of the sport: It
starts at the age of 13 (PeeWee) and for the most part ends at the age of 20
(Junior) - at least around here (except for the highest calibre leagues). If
a boy starts playing at the age of five, he has 8 years of hockey experience
before beginning to body-check. Most girls and women are just starting to play.
Also, in Canada, our National Team players (the individuals most likely to
accept body-checking) are scattered throughout various leagues, and not
every individual on all of those teams has the experience or skill required
to enter into a body-checking game.
Given that, I'd like to see Female Hockey mature for another few years
without the body-checking, kind of like "learn to crawl before you walk,
then learn to run".
If you are interested in the videotape, I do not know how much it costs, but
you can contact Canadian Hockey at 1-800-667-2242.
Karen Kane
email@hidden
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