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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 390
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Neck Guards
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
2) Ice Time
by "Deathe, Barbara - DC"
3) Re: profiled
by "Kristen M. Ede"
4) Re: What's Your Opinion About Checking in Women's Hockey? (Please respond.)
by email@hidden
5) narrow skates
by email@hidden (Kate Adlers)
6) Re: Neck Guards
by email@hidden
7) Checking
by email@hidden
8) Checking in Hockey
by Karen A Robinson
9) Checking in Women's Leagues
by email@hidden
10) Re: Checking in Hockey
by email@hidden
11) Re: Checking in Hockey
by "Mariyn J. Fuller"
12) Re: Checking in Hockey (difference in terms)
by email@hidden
13) Re: Checking in Hockey
by "Kristen M. Ede"
14) Re: Checking in Hockey (difference in terms)
by "Mariyn J. Fuller"
15) Re: Checking
by email@hidden (Milton Holmes)
16) narrow skates
by Sue Kartman
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:37:38 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Neck Guards
Message-ID:
There is a clipping from the Philadelphia Inquirer (I think) at one of the
rinks my kids play at describing and injury where a kids neck was slashed
when skated over during an accidental fall. The kid did not make it. My
kids wear neck guards.
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 10:38:00 EST
From: "Deathe, Barbara - DC"
To: "'Ruth'"
Cc: Women-in-Hockey
Subject: Ice Time
Message-ID:
Ruth,
Trying to get decent ice time here in the Wash., DC area is pretty tough.
My team, the Chesapeake Bay Lightning, has been lucky enough to get in with
a rink that has just opened. Our club has three teams (A, B and
Development). We have one club practice and one team practice per week (the
A and B teams alternate sharing ice with a mens team on Thursdays) and a
game slot on Sunday afternoons that the development team uses if there are
no A or B games. All of our practices are from 9 to 10:20 p.m., which is a
pretty decent time for this area. I'm not sure of the exact price of the
ice time, but it is close to $200 per hour. The number of rinks in the area
is increasing each year, so maybe the price will eventually go down. The
popularity of ice hockey in this area is growing by leaps and bounds. There
is another women's team in the area plus a few girls teams.
Tell me more about women's and girls hockey in the U.K.
Barbara
bdeathe@pipermar. com
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:01:47 -0500
From: "Kristen M. Ede"
To:
Subject: Re: profiled
Message-ID:
> I never heard of profiled skates before either. Basically, the skates
are
> sharpened using a template that puts "stops" at the front and back of the
> blade so that more of the blade at the ball of your foot is on the ice.
This
> allows for more sure footedness as well as a good turning radius.
Does anyone know the difference (if any) between 'profiling' and
'rockering'? A few of us on my team get our skate blades rockered so that
less blade is on the ice and therefore the turning radius, and to some
degree speed improves. It takes a little getting used of since it requires
a little more balance but I really find it improves my skating.
As well, in reference to the CCM Tacks with the Pro Lite Blades..I just
bought a pair with the (air) pump in August and although they feel pretty
good now, it took what seemed like forever breaking them in. At least 20
hard skates in varying degrees of pain before they were comfortable. Now
they feel great but I dread having to go through that again! I don't find
the air pump part of the skate particularly beneficial. I was given the
air cartridge gun thingy when I bought them. The gun thing gives such a
blast that it almost fills them up too much and therefore pushes your foot
forward into the toe of the skate (the air is only around the ankle).
Sometimes, when I remember I pump them up manually a little for a little
extra support but to be honest there really isn't much of a difference.
So...unless you have increibly small ankles and need the full cushion of
air to make your skates secure, your probably better off buying the Tacks
without the air pump and saving yourself $75.00..
Just my thoughts..
Kristen
Thunder Bay Blades
email@hidden
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:22:59 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: What's Your Opinion About Checking in Women's Hockey? (Please respond.)
Message-ID:
Ali -
I know we talked about this on the phone but I feel compelled to toss my two
cents in.
I think check/noncheck should be a league issue..that way if a player wants
to play fullcheck she can...if she is concerned about checking or feels
unprepared there is still a place for her to play. Obviously, this is in my
ideal world where every city sports 4-10 women's teams and all have humanly
agreeable icetime!
In reading Elizabeth Etue's book, On the Edge, I found it interesting that
she mentions Canadian women's hockey has increased its enrollment quite
possibly *because* they removed checking from the girl's game. This made
parents feel as if their daughters would be safer and it became a more
"appropriate" female sport.
Now, I'm not saying that we have to avoid physical contact to be feminine..as
I mentioned I play goal in a men's league and I have taken to weight lifting
to give me more heft against those crease-crashers...but I do think that
checking is a skill that requires training and training requires interest.
Which, circles back to allowing check where we want to and defining other
leagues as non-check. This would be inline with the USA Hockey Sr. Men's
division that recognizes several levels - Sr. Non-check, Sr. Check, Sr. over
35, etc. Perhaps there are finally enough female players that we need to
push for similarly recognized divisions?????
Finally - as you know, anyone who wants a copy of Women's Hockey can send
their snail mail address to me at email@hidden and I'll see that it
gets registered in our mailing list. The first issue is free!!!!!!! I have
been having a wonderful time talking to all the players, coaches, parents,
and fans across the country and I know that Kelly Connelly, the editor in
Canada, feels the same. We still anticipate sending out the first issue in
late December/early January. Anyone with team news please feel free to fax
it to:
Sue Edwards
Managing Editor, Women's Hockey
517-347-0686
Regards,
Sue
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:19:17 -0800
From: email@hidden (Kate Adlers)
To: email@hidden
Subject: narrow skates
Message-ID:
I have very narrow feet (AA with a AAAA heel), and I've always had an
awful time finding skates that fit properly. I'm tired of wearing 3
pairs of socks. Can anyone suggest a brand/model of skate that
runs particularly narrow?
Thanks,
Kate
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:26:59 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Neck Guards
Message-ID:
In the Detroit area the Little Casear's Amateur Hockey League just made
throat protectors required equipment for all players - male or female - after
a girls championship game last year that almost (except for the guard)
resulted in a serious injury. I suspect other leagues here will do the same
soon.
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:39:04 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Checking
Message-ID:
I would like to comment on the checking/non-checking issue. For
those girls and women out there who would like to see checking, I
wonder if you have ever truly BEEN checked into the boards? I really
feel that if they were to go to checking it would 1) ruin the game
and make it the same as the boys. That being a game which relies on
brute strength and a violent game. 2) detract from the finesse game
that the girls and women currently play.
I just heard about a girl in the Bloomington, MN area who has played
boys hockey all the way through. She didn't want to join the girls
high school team this year and placed on the Bantam A boys team after
tryouts. She is now walking with a walker and will probably never
play hockey again. Now, mind you, this situation is the "bigger" boy
vs the "smaller" girl out on the ice.
I was lucky to be at the first World Championships in Ottawa, Canada
and witnessed the "checking" game. European rules dictated and that
first tournament was scheduled to be a checking tournament. After
the first couple of games, the committee met and decided that it was
a disaster. Now all of these elite skaters learned the correct
checking techniques for the tournament....but the committee opted to
continue the tournament with open ice checking - taking out checking
along the boards. The second World Championships went to
no-checking. I found the flow of the game, the finesse is much
better to watch now than that first tournament. I LOVE the women's
game. It's not a "lesser" game then the men's...I feel it is a
better game. A game that is played the way hockey was MEANT to be
played!
Dorene
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:36:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Karen A Robinson
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Checking in Hockey
Message-ID:
Having seen some of the posts on this subject, I realise that I may be in
the minority. I would prefer if checking stayed out of women's hockey.
To state the obvious, hockey with no checking requires different skills
and strategies than hockey with checking. I much prefer to watch a top
level womens game (with no checking) than an NHL game. To me, for
example, watching (and trying to emulate) a player take someone off the
puck, without the option of hitting them, is more intriguing...more
challenging and skillful.
I tend to think of the differences between the way women and men play
hockey the same as the differences of women and men playing tennis - they
are playing the same sport but it is a different game. and I prefer the
game the women play.
Karen
email@hidden
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:25:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Checking in Women's Leagues
Message-ID:
I wouldn't mind seeing checking as being optional for those women who feel the
game would be more interesting. But from a personal point of view, I join the
minority and tend to think the women's games are more interesting than even an
NHL game because of the way the women handle the puck and skate. There is much
more finesse in a women's game than in the NHL because the women don't have the
option to smash their opponent against the boards or lay them on the ice to
stop them from advancing with the puck. I know many people will disagree with
me but I feel that checking is used when one player is out-handling the puck
and the other can't get it fromthem. I find myself getting a little pushy when
the opposing team is out-puck-handling me - but I am just beginning to play
hockey. I have a lot to learn. The only way to satisfy the masses is to make
checking optional - that way there will still be leagues (hopefully) that will
opt to go without it.
Diane
email@hidden
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:35:37 -0800
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking in Hockey
Message-ID:
Checking is allowed in all hockey at all levels. It is BODY CHECKING that has
been limited in various divisions, both male and female. This is not just a
picky wording point. By saying that checking is not allowed takes the focus
away from all the checking techniques that have to be taught in both body
checking and non body checking levels. Body checking is only the final step in
the progression that starts with proper skating and balance, through angling and
body contact, eventually to body checking.
BRUCE TUCK
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:00:57 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mariyn J. Fuller"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking in Hockey
Message-ID:
sorry-dumb ques. but..
could someone please tell me the difference between checking and body
checking
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* Marilyn J. Fuller + ++ + + Tri Kappa Gamma *
* Sophomore/Social Work Major +++ + + + Kappas Rock! *
* Abilene Christian University + + ++ ++ * *
* *** *
* Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the *
* courageto change the things I can, and the wisdom to distinguish one *
* from the other. *
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 email@hidden wrote:
> Checking is allowed in all hockey at all levels. It is BODY CHECKING that has
> been limited in various divisions, both male and female. This is not just a
> picky wording point. By saying that checking is not allowed takes the focus
> away from all the checking techniques that have to be taught in both body
> checking and non body checking levels. Body checking is only the final step in
> the progression that starts with proper skating and balance, through angling and
> body contact, eventually to body checking.
>
> BRUCE TUCK
>
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:23:28 -0800
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking in Hockey (difference in terms)
Message-ID:
Checking is the term that is used to describe all types of individual and team
tactics and strategies that are used when you don't have the puck. Examples
are: forecheckeng, backchecking, poke checking, pinning, covering in front of
the net, angling, and body checking. Terms such as "check your opponent in
front of the net" and "Good check" (when describing a defenceman diving to knock
the puck off the stick of an opponent) have nothing to do with body checking.
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:57:49 -0500
From: "Kristen M. Ede"
To:
Subject: Re: Checking in Hockey
Message-ID:
Being a fairly aggressive Hockey Player, I feel pressure (self imposed) to
say I want body checking....but I Don't....
I LOVE our game and although it doesn't include body checking, there is one
hell of alot of body contact. Pretty much if your intention is to play the
puck, the Ref's won't call the body check/contact. Even without full body
checking, there isn't a game that goes by that there isn't some member of
our team going to a Physiotherapist, Chiropractor or at the very least
sitting out the next game.
Our Women's Rec league is much more physical than the Men's Rec leagues.
In fact, when we play with the Men WE have to tone it down, not them.
This already IS a rough game..and we LOVE it. Its our game and our style
and I am proud of that....
Again, just my thoughts :)
Kristen
Thunder Bay Blades
email@hidden
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:00:14 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mariyn J. Fuller"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking in Hockey (difference in terms)
Message-ID:
thanx! :)
*************************************************************************
* Marilyn J. Fuller + ++ + + Tri Kappa Gamma *
* Sophomore/Social Work Major +++ + + + Kappas Rock! *
* Abilene Christian University + + ++ ++ * *
* *** *
* Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot *
* change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to *
* distinguish one from the other. *
*************************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:59:56 -0400
From: email@hidden (Milton Holmes)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Checking
Message-ID:
I hope this isn't considered a me too message :-)
>
>I was lucky to be at the first World Championships in Ottawa, Canada
>and witnessed the "checking" game. European rules dictated and that
>first tournament was scheduled to be a checking tournament. After
>the first couple of games, the committee met and decided that it was
>a disaster. Now all of these elite skaters learned the correct
>checking techniques for the tournament....but the committee opted to
>continue the tournament with open ice checking - taking out checking
>along the boards. The second World Championships went to
>no-checking. I found the flow of the game, the finesse is much
>better to watch now than that first tournament. I LOVE the women's
>game. It's not a "lesser" game then the men's...I feel it is a
>better game. A game that is played the way hockey was MEANT to be
>played!
>
>Dorene
I witnessed the same thing. I was at the the first two World Championships
and I didn't really enjoy the checking. The checks were kind of ugly and
looked very dangerous and painful.
Don't get me wrong, my favourite NHL players are guys like Wendel Clark and
Brendan Shannahan who are hardcore grinders and bumpers. But I hate the
clutch and grab that inevitably goes with the game.
In the female hockey that I have enjoyed I have seen many tough no-nonsense
women not giving an inch in the corners but not clobbering each other. The
rest of the game seems to flow better....
Regards,
Milton
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 22:25:35 -0500
From: Sue Kartman
To: women in hockey
Subject: narrow skates
Message-ID:
To Kate:
Reference to your narrow feet and your inability to find a narrow skate.
There are two skates available that fit women's feet better than others.
Ridell makes a skate called the Air 50 which is made specially for
women. CCM's are narrower than Bauers and you may find that these will
fit your foot better. You can get Ridell skates from most Pro Shops or
in Madison,WI we have a rink that we play roller hockey at that sells
these skates retail via catalog sales. You can call or e-mail the rink
(Fast Forward) or visit their web site on the internet. They have a
wonderful professional staff and mail order in the USA UPS shipping is
free.Web site is http://www.fast-forward.com.Their 800 number is
800-557-7655. They will send you a catalog if you call and ask for
one.Good Luck!
Sue Kartman
Madison Edge Womens Ice Hockey Team
email@hidden
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