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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 389
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: At a Crossroads
by Jan de Regt
2) Re: What's Your Opinion About Checking in Women's Hockey? (Please respond.)
by "SCSU Women's Hockey"
3) help!!!!!
by "Graham J.Brown"
4) mouth guards & fighting
by Sue Kartman
5) subject headings
by email@hidden (C. Esther Jesurum)
6) Re: subject headings and repeated messages
by Karen A Robinson
7) Re: What's Your Opinion About Checking in Women's Hockey? (Please respond.)
by email@hidden
8) Re: What's Your Opinion About Checking in Women's Hockey? (Please respond.)
by mccollum
9) Re: Mouthguards
by mccollum
10) Re: subject headings
by "Elmer A. Laydon"
11) Re: Mouthguards
by "BRICKELL, DAWN"
12) Re: Mouthguards
by Lea and Robert Sanford
13) RE: MOUTHGUARDS
by Deanna Manson
14) Re: Reply Australia
by email@hidden
15) Re: profiled
by email@hidden
16) Re: Norfolk
by email@hidden
17) Re: Neck Guards
by "Ken Luk"
18) unsubscribing
by Brigitte Bergman
19) Hi
by "RE. Aspinall"
20) Skills & Comp. added to All-Star Raffle
by email@hidden
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Date: 21 Nov 1996 09:44:55 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re: At a Crossroads
I disagree. I you don't want to read about foot size, delete the
email before opening. I do agree that volume of mail has hugely
increased - maybe simply an increase in subscribers?
DAve, you probably aren't able to appreciate how significant t problem
is for women to find equipment to fit well enough to use. Try to
imagine having to adapt equipment built for women for your own use?
There is a List Mom, and I am sure she will intervene when she
determines that the original "purpose" of this list isn't being served
she has in the past.
Jan
email@hidden
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: At a Crossroads
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 11/21/96 8:35 AM
Last season this list was excellent. Information was passed along, questions
were answered, and there was very little clutter. In the past few weeks, the
list has turned into alt.hockey.female, with dozens of comments about opinions
on foot size, mouthguards, and the infamous hooters ad.
No individual comment has really violated the purpose of the list, but
taken as a whole, they make it impossible to stay tuned unless you are blessed
with an abundance of free time. I propose that list subscribers follow these
standard conventions to make it possible for meaningful exchange to take
place:
1) Include your e-mail address at the bottom of your message. We know almost
everyone's team and number, but not how to contact them individually.
2) Unless you think people on the list will benefit from your response,
direct it to the sender. (Use the address they provided...see #1 above)
3) Keep the "me, too" comments off the list.
4) Don't start a thread by asking, "What do you think about .........?"
To use Chuq's analogy, my favorite bar is now getting too crowded and smoky.
Dave Strong
email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:53:48 -0600 (CST)
From: "SCSU Women's Hockey"
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: What's Your Opinion About Checking in Women's Hockey? (Please respond.)
Message-ID:
---
SCSU Women's Hockey Club
email@hidden
http://www.stcloud.msus.edu/~womhock
> If the boys' and men's leagues can do it, so can the girls' and
> women's. At least, that's my two cents.
>
> So anyway, what do YOU think?
>
I know that a lot of people think that checking takes away from
the skill of the game - "anyone can level someone against the boards, but
it takes skill to get the puck away without that contact." I believe
this is true, but I also think that if it can be introduced to peewee
boys (and girls that may play on those teams) then why can't it be
introduced into the women's teams.
I think thatthe Collegiate teams are a perfect could
handle it.
In senior leagues there are many women who live very full lives
(job, family, etc.)and don't want to risk that kind of injury. But in the
Collegiate level we eat, breathe, and live hockey - and assume any risks
that go along with playing the game......be honest folks the
body contact is there at that level anyway......it's just a matter of
making it legal!
Anyway, that's just my two cents......
Becki Rowan #1
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:57:39 -0500
From: "Graham J.Brown"
To: email@hidden
Subject: help!!!!!
Message-ID:
To everyone in this group.
The best way to prevent any dissention regarding topics on this list serve
is simple. When sending a message, please put a subject statement that
clearly portrays the topic of the e-mail. I read the first message
regarding the mouthguards issue and have not read another simply because
they have accurately been titled the topic or subject MOUTHGUARDS. There is
no law that states you must read each and every message forwarded to this
list. By providing accurate subject headings, I feel we can allow open
discussion on a number of topics without interfering with anyones judgement
as to the quality or relevance of the topics. This is only a suggestion
that has been used on other lists. Please provide feedback, but entitle it
"subject headings" and not HELP!!!!!! I appologize for using help, but
help is usually a proven method of getting everyone in the group to read a
message. I appologize and hope this can aid in clearing up any dissention
within this list. In retrospect to a positive note. I am on a number of
lists and this group conducts themselves regarding relavance and topic
interests in a very organized and constructive manor most of the time.
Thanks,
Graham J. Brown
Competitive SPORT TRAVEL & Tours Inc.
"Uniting the World of Sports" .
c/o Graham J. Brown BHK MHK
242 Victoria Avenue
Chatham, Ontario, CANADA
N7L 3A8
(519) 352 - 8184 Phone
(519) 352 - 5146 Fax
In CDN & USA 1-800-304-6346
Visit us @ http\ (coming soon)
e-mail: email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:07:00 -0500
From: Sue Kartman
To: women in hockey
Subject: mouth guards & fighting
Message-ID:
Hi everyone:
I am new to the women-in-hockey mailing list. Lots of good advise on the
mail lists that I have seen so far. I play for a womans ice hockey team
in Madison,WI called the Madison Edge. My roommate also plays on this
team. We are an older group of women, ranging in age from 16 to 50. Some
of our team plays roller hockey and ice hockey. Our roller hockey team
has been playing in National Tournaments for the last 3 yrs. I would
like to respond to the mouthguard & fighting conversations. Mouthguards:
wear them! I am a paramedic and see concussions everyday. The mouthguard
will help prevent concussions by absorbing the shock of the jaw/teeth
coming together when you hit your head or are bumped into/checked from
someone. They also protect your teeth. The Shock Doctor is an excellent
choice price wise and comfort wise. You can breathe easier & talk with
this guard in. Fighting: I feel that fighting has no place in any sport,
especially hockey. Good sportsmanship is very lax in ice & roller
hockey. I have seen some of the worst sportsmanship in ice hockey than
any other sport I have played. Hockey is fun and should be fun when
playing. More time is wasted when people "posture" and try & intimidate
others on the ice. 'Enough said.
Sue K
Madison Edge Womens Ice Hockey
email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 11:32:26 EST
From: email@hidden (C. Esther Jesurum)
To: email@hidden
Subject: subject headings
Message-ID:
part of the problem seems to me that people aren't reading all the
messages before posting. Say I am interested in the MOUTHGUARDS
discussion. It still doesn't help me when fifteen people post the
same message (about how they prevent concussions, not just teeth
loss). I think people do need to be more responsible about the
clutter on this list.
Thanks for the advice, Dave.
Esther
MIT #6
email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:53:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Karen A Robinson
To: "C. Esther Jesurum"
Cc: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: subject headings and repeated messages
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, C. Esther Jesurum wrote:
> part of the problem seems to me that people aren't reading all the
> messages before posting. Say I am interested in the MOUTHGUARDS
> discussion. It still doesn't help me when fifteen people post the
> same message (about how they prevent concussions, not just teeth
> loss). I think people do need to be more responsible about the
> clutter on this list.
I agree with the need for people to read all messages before responding.
I would, however, like to defend some, including myself. For example,
and for whatever reason, messages are sent out (or arrive at people's
mailboxes) at disparate times and in various orders. I typically receive
one or two messages responding to a question before seeing the original
message with the question. The one post I did make was after reading all
the messages *I had at the time* - by the time my message appeared on the
list a day later, several other people had already responded to the same
question. All the more reason to use specific headings.
Karen
email@hidden
ps thanks, Dave, for initiating this discussion - especially for calling
for an end to personal messages (or the more annoying "me, too" messages)!
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:03:07 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: What's Your Opinion About Checking in Women's Hockey? (Please respond.)
Message-ID:
In a message dated 11/21/96 6:52:52 AM, you wrote:
<>
Hey Ali. How are ya?
I both agree, AND disagree with your comments on checking... One part of me
agrees that the women's game and the men's game SHOULD be the same. On the
other hand the women's game DOES require more skills & finesse than just
brute strength or size. I think you are right about USA hockey needing to
make some kind of provision for players that want to have checking but
there's no way they'd just say, OK girls, you can check each other now, no
matter how many people WANT checking. (If they did, it would be very
irresponsible of them)... As you said, boys teams are taught how to give
(and get) checks at a young age... It would be disastrous if girls/women, who
have NEVER played full checking hockey, all of a sudden had their rules
change on them.
One possibility is that they integrate checking gradually by allowing SOME
kinds of checking but not other more dangerous types of hits... Maybe they
can start teaching the younger girls, (just like the boys) how to check at
the peewee level to prepair them for when they get older/better.
Let's face it, most people/parents treat little girls one way and little boys
another way. Example: If a little girl falls down when playing on the
playground, everyone rushes over and gives her concern & sympathy (thus
encouraging her to cry and need MORE sympathy); If it's a little boy who
falls down, everyone encourages him to get right back up & brush it off (Wipe
away those tears and be STRONG young man!) Don't get me wrong, I'm not
tellin' people how to raise their kids... But it IS the truth. The world is
FULL of double standards and THAT is where they start out... It's what we've
been taught all along.
Personally, I've never played full checking hockey, so I think I'd really
have a tough time adjusting to it at first, and having taken my share of
crashes and spills, I WOULD be afraid of getting hurt or hurting someone else
accidentally. (Does that sound whimpy?) I dont know... Maybe they should
give the higher skill level/more competitive groups the CHOICE of having full
check hockey, and the recreational groups can have the CHOICE of allowing
certain "kinds" of checking to make the game more interesting/challenging...
I think women playing for fun and exercise like myself, would rather not
risk being personally injured for one; Second, feeling bad about injuring
someone else; Third, missing work and losing pay because of a game; And
fourth, not being able to play anymore AT ALL because of an injury. Then
again high skilled, advanced women players probably feel differently about
it. I'm sure Olympic caliber women hockey players are perfectly capable of
full body checking right along with the guys and deserve, (No, they've earned
the right...) to make the choice for themselves!
Well Ali, good luck to you... Let us know where we can get a subscription to
that magazine you mentioned. I'd definitely subscribe!
Lisa Addario
#13
Rhode Island Panthers
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:27:06 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: What's Your Opinion About Checking in Women's Hockey? (Please respond.)
Message-ID:
I think checking should be in the league except there should be a few
restrictons. I mean if you are all the same age group then it should be
regular checking but if you have a league like I am in which is 11-17
than there should be some restrictions. I mean you shouldn't be able to
check the littler girls as bad for it could seriously injure their bones
while they are not fully grown. Besides that there is no reason why
women should not be able to check. It puts us way below the men in
status and it really frustrates me.
R.L
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:28:30 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
Message-ID:
Why is it that you can't wear clear or colored mouth gaurds? They
protect the sma eamout and everything.
R.L
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:27:42 -0800
From: "Elmer A. Laydon"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: subject headings
Message-ID:
C. Esther Jesurum wrote:
>
> part of the problem seems to me that people aren't reading all the
> messages before posting. Say I am interested in the MOUTHGUARDS
> discussion. It still doesn't help me when fifteen people post the
> same message (about how they prevent concussions, not just teeth
> loss). I think people do need to be more responsible about the
> clutter on this list.
>
I agree with Esther. However, one of the reasons I think we may get
several of the same answers to a question is the time delay between
sending and receiving mail to/from the server.
I know I have responded to several questions and when I checked my mail
later in the day there were multiple responses that were similar. This
may be something we just have to live with.
I also agree that we should be putting more descriptive subject headings
on our mail.
Elmer A. Laydon
Connecticut Polar Bears
http://www.iconn.net/elaydon/bears.htm
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:52:20 -0500
From: "BRICKELL, DAWN"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
Message-ID:
At 02:36 PM 11/21/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Why is it that you can't wear clear or colored mouth gaurds? They
>protect the sma eamout and everything.
>R.L
>
You aren't supposed to wear clear or WHITE mouthguards becase they are
harder for referees to see. Also, if a clear or black mouthguards get stuck
in your throat, an EMT will have a hard time seeing them, too... yellow is
probably the best color...
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:04:59 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
Message-ID:
Mariyn,
>
> this might sound kind of dumb-but things like Kool-Aid and the likes
> stain things-maybe you could try soaking your mouthguard in a bowl of
> concentrated Kool-Aid or Jell-O to tint it another color-granted it
> probably won't be very dark-but it might be enough to work
>
> just a thought,
> Marilyn :)
And make it taste good too!!!!!!!!!!!
--Lea
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:36:13 -0400
From: Deanna Manson
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: MOUTHGUARDS
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Most arenas here require you to be wearing a neckguard when playing.
Nothing about mouthguards though and I have only seen one women in
hockey or broomball here wearing in two years.
Deanna Manson
Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:42:44 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Reply Australia
Message-ID:
Chris,
I'm writing from Philadelphia, USA.
Have you tried CCM Tacks with ProLite blades? I have found them to be very
comfortable without the break-in period. First time on the ice, they felt
great.
When does your season start down there? Send me some info since I'll
probably be in Australia the first two weeks in November, 1997. I'd love to
see a game.
Linda
Phila Freeze # 9
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:42:45 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: profiled
Message-ID:
I never heard of profiled skates before either. Basically, the skates are
sharpened using a template that puts "stops" at the front and back of the
blade so that more of the blade at the ball of your foot is on the ice. This
allows for more sure footedness as well as a good turning radius.
Believe me, I thought I was being taken as a rookie at first. I bought CCM
Tack Blacks with a ProLite blade for $100 and since I've had the profile, my
teammates and coach think that I took skating lessons or something.
I will try to get the name of the machine that the man who sharpens my skates
uses.
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:42:46 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Norfolk
Message-ID:
Gayle,
Have you checked into the Chesapeake women's team? They have an A and B team
in our league. I know that last season they played their league games in
Wash DC area. That may be better than being the only woman in the Hooters
league.
Linda
Phila. Freeze
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 00:51:53 +0400
From: "Ken Luk"
To: "email@hidden"
Subject: Re: Neck Guards
Message-ID:
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:56:55 -0800, email@hidden wrote:
>Hi! Can somebody tell me why we have to wear neck guards when we are younger. I
>know it is to protect the neck but why don't older people have to wear
>them???????
>
>
>Nina
The wearing of BNQ approved throat protectors are required for all
minor players (I believe up to and including junior, excluding major
junior) and all female players, regardless of age. So, if you're a
female player in Canada, a throat protector is required, no matter how
old you are.
Ken
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:45:00 -0800
From: Brigitte Bergman
To: email@hidden
Subject: unsubscribing
Message-ID:
I just recently had my e-mail erased, and I do not have the instructions
on how to unsubscribe from the list.
Will you please help me?!
I'd appreciate it!
Brigitte
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:30:31 +0000 (GMT)
From: "RE. Aspinall"
To: email@hidden (hockey)
Subject: Hi
Message-ID:
Hi everyone, I'm a newcomer to the list from sunny(!) England.
I play for Swindon Topcats who are currently top of the British
Premier League and I just love playing hockey.
Men's hockey is on the up here as more and more teams are playing
out of arenas and getting good crowds, so hopefully this will increase
the number of girls wanting to play.
Our biggest problem is lack of ice time, I don't know how much you
North Americans get but over here its an hour a week and usually at a
ridiculous hour (ie after mens, juniors, pee wees, rec, cleaners etc!!)
Ruth
Swindon Topcats
P.S Any other Brits on the list??
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 05:53:56 PST
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden, email@hidden,
Subject: Skills & Comp. added to All-Star Raffle
Message-ID:
The NHL has donated 2 tickets to the All-Star game to SJ SKATE. The Bay
Area's only ice hockey league serving inner city youth.
I have just received the ticket info from the NHL. They have added the
skills and competition to the raffle.
Only 1500 ticket will be sold. No pur. req. for entry however your
$10.00 donation helps to keep the program running.
Trip includes: 2 tickets to both events, RT Air from anywhere in Con
USA, hotel and dinner.
Send check or MO to: SJ SKATE 20580 Almaden Road San Jose CA 95120
include your email, we will email you with your ticket number.
Thanks!!
Colleen Noll
email@hidden
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