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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 387
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: fighting
by email@hidden
2) Re: Dallas Rinks
by Marilyn Fuller
3) Re: Mouthguard - what's best?
by email@hidden
4) Re: I need some tips.
by mccollum
5) Re: MOUTHGARDS -Reply
by mccollum
6) Re: Hi everyone!
by email@hidden
7) Re: I need some tips.
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
8) Re: MOUTHGUARDS
by "Karen Peters"
9) Re: off -season training (& rollcall)
by "Karen Peters"
10) Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
11) Re: Mouthguard - what's best?
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
12) Re:Get me off this mailing list...PLEASE!!!!!
by email@hidden (Jaime Carlton)
13) Re: off -season training (& rollcall)
by Shannon
14) Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
by email@hidden (Don Wright)
15) Re: Mouthguards
by Jane Webb
16) Re: Alaska Lawsuit
by melissa
17) Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
by Lea and Robert Sanford
18) Re: Mouthguards
by Lea and Robert Sanford
19) Re: Mouthguards
by Sherry Miracle
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:57:31 -0800
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: fighting
Message-ID:
I think that some people on this list take alot of what people say the wrong
way!! I think that everybody just needs to chillout!!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:53:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Marilyn Fuller
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Dallas Rinks
Message-ID:
hi! thanx-i'll give them a try!
have a great night!
Marilyn :)
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Lea and Robert Sanford wrote:
> Marilyn,
>
> > how to play-if anyone has any suggestions about where a good place to go
> > in the Dallas area
>
> There are two rinks in the Dallas area. I have a friend who skates at the IcePlex (Near
> Valley Ranch). They have a HUGE recreational league. I would recommend it.
>
> Contact Steve for more info:
>
> email@hidden
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Lea
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:19:06 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguard - what's best?
Message-ID:
Oh boy! Another chance to tell my mouthguard war story! And appropriately
enough, the night before I get my lovely new $800 cap glued permanently into
my mouth.
I urge you to wear a mouthguard of some ilk, and am having my dentist make
one for me. I was cross-checked in the chin during a pick-up roller hockey
game with a very gentle group of people (that's why I wasn't wearing a face
mask), one of whom collided with me as we cut toward each other. Nothing more
gory than a cut lip occurred at the time, but I noticed -- of all things --
one of my molars started snagging my chewing gum. Within a couple of months,
it suddenly broke apart. My dentist said, given there was no other trauma and
the tooth was in good shape, it's 99% likely the tooth was fractured when my
jaws smacked together as I was hit in the face.
I've now dumped (as I said) something like $800 over three appointments to
get this tooth capped, not to mention the pain and the newfound cold
sensitivity that I can only hope will go away with time.
And think of it -- I was lucky not to get a concussion!
As for whether they're needed with facemasks, I've also fallen on my chin in
a facemask and nipped my tongue. Just a little, but it was enough.
This doesn't even count the ESSENTIAL point someone has already made about
tooth protection being required for players under 18.
Do not take the ice again without mouth protection.
Get one made for you by a dentist: If you can spill several hundred dollars
on skates or other padding, you can certainly pay it for this most essential
protection.
Yes, a mouthguard is ugly as hell and it feels awkward at first, but it's
nowhere near as ugly as broken teeth or as awkward as a broken head.
Margaret
Brooklyn Blades
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:34:50 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: I need some tips.
Message-ID:
Thanks. I am really physched about it. It means I am off to a good start
this season. Maybe I will get myself a hat trick one of these days.
R.L
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:39:11 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: MOUTHGARDS -Reply
Message-ID:
The same thing happened to me. I went head first iton the boards along
with somebody pushig making me in more pain. Right after that I score
three goals though. Not in the same game though. (we had a double
header) Luckily I was wearing a mouthgaurd so my jaw didn't sustain any
serious damage. There is no doubt in my mind that I may get a cuncussion
again so I am going to continue wearing my mouthgaurd-ALWAYS!
R.L
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:49:08 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Hi everyone!
Message-ID:
Help me lord -- you go to UT?? My alma mater -- why didn't they have a roller
hockey team while I was there? Think of all these wasted years! I also play
RW-C and occasional defense.
(I note your address says UTM -- Martin or Knoxville?)
Meanwhile, more to the point, I play both roller and ice. The main difference
(aside from a few rules that a coach can tell you and which are pretty easy
to keep straight) is in the skating. I started in ice hockey with ill-fitting
skates, then tried roller in good skates; I don't know whether it was the
difference in fit or "blade" width, but I suddenly found it a lot easier to
do things like crossovers and sharp turns. Possibly because of the wider
edge. Now I'm reasonably proficient on both, but I and my roller-and-ice
coach both do a transitional exercise every time we switch surfaces: If
you're familiar with the "swizzle", it's basically just an exaggerated series
of swizzles, in which you bring your feet very close together and your knees
apart, leaning hard on your outside edges, then push your feet apart and
knees together, leaning hard on your inside edges. Do it around the rink at
least once, then go on with your regular warmup.
As for falls, etc, I prefer ice -- it's a lot easier to absorb because you
slide instead of grinding your flesh off against concrete. Though it IS
harder to get up.
Give ice a try! It's a lot of fun. And cross your fingers -- NHL in
Nashville!!
Margaret
Brooklyn Blades, #49
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:13:14 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: I need some tips.
Message-ID:
>CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
>
>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, mccollum wrote:
>
>> EVERYBODY! I SCORED A GOAL!!!!! LAST NIGHT I SCORED MY FIRST GOAL OF THE
>> SEASON! I AM SO HAPPY. I AM OFF TO A GOOD START. I AM ON A ROLE NOW.
>>
>> R.L
>>
Congratulations again. All you need now is your first penalty and you get
your wings.
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:07:33 +0000
From: "Karen Peters"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: MOUTHGUARDS
Message-ID: <199611201506.KAA02083@Nipigon.>
Yes you are right. In Ontario anyways we are to wear the neck guards
but in the senior divisions no mouthguards are required. Although, I
have participated in tournaments in Duluth, Minn. "The Cities"
(Minn/St. Paul) and mouthguards at least for the senior/womens were
not a requirement either.
My .02 cents
Karen #44
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:07:33 +0000
From: "Karen Peters"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: off -season training (& rollcall)
Message-ID: <199611201506.KAA02085@Nipigon.>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:39:47 -0800
Reply-to: email@hidden
From: email@hidden (Michelle Svatos)
To: Subscribers to
Subject: off -season training (& rollcall)
Hi-
I haven't posted here before. I'm 29. Started playing roller hockey with some
guys at work (mostly league players) a few months ago & WOW! I've
discovered a new love for life! I wonder if all teams sports are this
addictive, or if there's something uniquely intoxicating about hockey,
that blinds us to the briuses, financial setbacks, equipment stink, etc.!
I competed in track & xcountry in college, but rarely experienced the
same exhilaration I get from hockey. Now I'm looking into ice hockey leages..
Oakland (where I live) has a gorgeous new ice arena with 2 rinks.
Here's some thoughts on cross-training:
1) Exer-slide. These things are sold under a variety of brand names by
the aerobic equipment. They are basically a long (6' or so) sheet of slippery
plastic with bumpers at each end. You wear slippery booties with or without
shoes, and push off from one end to the other. Don't laugh until you try it:
the motion is remarkabley like skating and the workout is intense. These
things have been used by speedskaters for years.
The beauty of this solution is that it is low tech and cheap (~$30-50) and
they usually roll up for minimal storage. You can even do it with a stick
in your hands -- sometimes I attach an elastic ankle weight to it, or
practice dribbling a nerf-type ball.
Just to make a point on those Exer-slides, I haven't personally tried
one but I read that Mike Gartner- NHL Coyotes uses this method of
training in the off season. I'm sure I read this on the Internet
in one of the Hockey Magazines, they had a mini-interview on him.
Apparently he does 2 hrs of Exer-slide and light, minimal weight training and he is one of the fastest
skaters in the NHL. Not bad for 37 years "young".
#44 Karen
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:54:58 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
Message-ID:
>Ah, yes, the old girls' age exemption request. I've worked hard at getting
>the real skinny on this, and have only achieved partial success. Someone
>should start a FAQ.
Not a bad idea.
>
>First of all, I assume we're talking USA (Temple's in Philadelphia, no?),
>not Canada. Also Pee Wee checking is USA only, I believe.
Yeah, we are located just north of Philadelphia in a suburb called Elkins
Park. Our area
club is called the Old York Road Skating Club. The club's Web page can be
found at:
http://www.erols.com/~melmaleh
Body checking is permitted in PeeWee in the USA. I do not know what the
equivalent situation would
be in Canada--i.e. at what age level body checking is allowed.
>
>There is an age exemption that is granted by USA hockey that allows
>first-year midget girls (15 year olds) to play bantams for a third year.
>A friend of mine ran this question all the way to Colo Spgs and got
>confirmation that that is the only transition USA Hockey will entertain
>the exemption.
That's interesting and important information. So exemptions can be made in
the Bantam-to-Midget transition
year, but as far as we know, not so for the Squirt-to-PeeWee or the
PeeWee-to-Bantam transition years. Wonder
how USA Hockey goes about making these decisions.
>
>And now, there is pressure from, of all people, the insurance commissioners
>to not allow that exemption. (Don't get me started on liability insurance...)
>California this year, for the first time in awhile, has apparently rejected
>all such exemption requests.
Now that's interesting. Maybe they're worried about big-bruiser girls
hurting the boys if they are allowed to stay
on an additional year. I am not sure what would be their concern otherwise
as long as there was a reasonable rationale for an exemption.
>
>So can a local league or other association grant an age exemption without
>USA Hockey's approval? Good question. Obviously, a local league could decide
>to let kids play without helmets if they wanted, but their affiliation
>with USA
>Hockey and the validity of their insurance coverage would be in jeopardy.
Obviously, we would NOT want to jeopardize the USA Hockey insurance
coverage for our daughter and for all of her teammates by forcing this
issue locally. That would not be a good move.
>
>However, let me take another tack. You don't say what your daughter weighs.
She is actually (we measured her today) 4'6" and weighs close to 90 lb
(mostly solid muscle). She is a fearless
kid who actually enjoys the 'incidental' body contact in her squirt games
and had a penalty called on her this past
weekend for laying a little too much shoulder into an opponent who was
breaking into the clear (she plays D).
>Others might disagree, but good
>skating skills and good checking technique can make up for a lot of mass
>and strength. And I've seen lots of Pee Wee boys that are remarkably small.
You may be right about this. She is actually begging us to let her play
PeeWee next year because she can't wait to use her shoulder legally. We
just look around at some of these guys who are approaching 6' and wonder
how she will absorb one of their checks. But you are right, she is fast
and agile and could probably manage to stay out of the path of the
behemoths.
>
>Rather than going through the almost surely frustrating experience of arguing
>with bureaucracies run by people with their own agendas, put your energy into
>giving your daughter extra preparation during the off-season. Send her to
>a camp and make sure she's in the group that emphasises checking and skating,
>as opposed to shooting, stickhandling or positioning. Don't let the camp
>directors pigeon-hole her into a younger, less physical group. Pop for 4 or 5
>private hockey lessons. Skate with her at stick time and work with her on
>checking in the neutral zone, while all the testosterone junkies keep
>pounding away with their slap shots. Talk to her squirt coach and convince
>him (her?) he should spend some practice time late in the season teaching
>proper checking techniques to the squirts.
Actually, Coach Rick just started some 'bumping' drills with the squirts
this week at practice and noone was able
to knock Jess off her feet. On the other hand, she was pretty effective at
getting some of her other bumping
partners to eat ice. So I can't say that she doesn't know how to defend
herself--and she got this little smirk
on her face when I asked her what it was like to run through the bumping drill.
>
>My daughter skates on a mixed Pee Wee B team, and there's no question that
>she's the most physical player on her team. She's flattened at least half a
>dozen boys in open ice this year, and was very proud of herself when she got
>her first-ever 10-minute penalty (it was a bogus call, by the way).
This sure sounds real familiar. I think we may be talking about two peas
from a pod.
>
>Clearly, you are going to face some teams that have human battleships and
>Puberty Bobs that look like they could crush small cars. But guess what?
>That kind of player doesn't see much motivation to work to improve their
>checking techniques nor skating abilities. They're too busy running up and
>down the ice looking for somebody to hit. If your daughter works on her
>skills enough, they either won't catch her, or regret it if they do.
>
>- Chuck Collins
>email@hidden
Chuck,
This has been extremely helpful for us (and amusing). I am curious to
know where your daughter
plays her hockey. Do you have any suggestions for summer camps? Coach
Rick swears by Dr.
Schmushkin in Toronto who teaches European-style hockey skills in a
no-nonsense manner. We were
thinking about looking into that camp a little further. If you know of any
other camps in the Toronto
area that would be suitable for the kind of kid we are talking about,
please let us know. Thanks very very much.
Best wishes,
Gary Goldberg
email@hidden
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:54:45 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguard - what's best?
Message-ID:
>Oh boy! Another chance to tell my mouthguard war story! And appropriately
>enough, the night before I get my lovely new $800 cap glued permanently into
>my mouth.
Let's forget what the rulebooks say in Canada and the US. It really makes
sense to wear both a
neckguard AND a mouthguard if you are really serious about protecting
yourself against a serious head
or neck injury.
Although my work involves the rehabilitation of individuals with severe
traumatic brain injury, I'd rather not
have any hockey players as patients especially if there are basic things
that can be done to reduce the incidence
and severity of injury. So let's be careful out there!
Best,
GG
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:30:39 +1000
From: email@hidden (Jaime Carlton)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re:Get me off this mailing list...PLEASE!!!!!
Message-ID:
I would just like to know when this stuff will stop coming to me.
I supposedly removed my name weeks ago, and tons of e-mail messages are
still coming to me daily.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy reading the messages, but since I borrow other
peoples' computers, it is becoming a hassle.
The mail person said it would take about a week, but it is taking much
longer, how do I make it stop?????????
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:04:08 -0700 (MST)
From: Shannon
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: off -season training (& rollcall)
Message-ID:
> Just to make a point on those Exer-slides, I haven't personally tried
> one but I read that Mike Gartner- NHL Coyotes uses this method of
> training in the off season. I'm sure I read this on the Internet
> in one of the Hockey Magazines, they had a mini-interview on him.
> Apparently he does 2 hrs of Exer-slide and light, minimal weight training and he is one of the fastest
> skaters in the NHL. Not bad for 37 years "young".
>
Being a former speed-skater, I have used what we call 'slide
boards'(similar to the commercial Exer-slide). However, I have to admit
that I absolutely *hate* them. They are very great for helping with
stregnth and strides, but very boring! If you want to use one, I
recommend you make sure you are doing your strides correctly. If you are
merely sliding back and forth you're not getting anything out of it. Here
are some pointers:
1) Make sure you bend your knees and get in the low, skating stance.
Bending over at the waist wont allow you to get full extension, and will
give you a very sore lower back!
2) Be sure to bring your stride all the way through. As you push to one
side, letting your foot hit the edge, bring your other leg all the way
in, bring your knee up, and then reach with that leg and let it slide to
the other side.
I also highly recommend the Eric Heiden off ice exercises. These are
great for cross-over stregnth and striding, as well as skating stregnth
in general. I have a chart with illustrations somewhere that I recieved
while attending clinics at the Olympic Training Center, and if I can find
them, I can perhaps scan it and post. You can probably find a speed
skating book with these exercises as well.
I must admit, I don't do any of these anymore, but I do run for
cross-training for a couple of reasons. First, it will build your
endurance better than any aerobic sport. Also, it is great for leg
stregnth. You are actually supporting your bodies own weight, which
builds your legs better than cycling. However, I will warn you, if you
have bad knees, stay away from running! Especially on anything harder
than dirt.
<> <> <> Shannon Pelot Valerio <> <> <>
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:46:56 -0400
From: email@hidden (Don Wright)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
Message-ID:
>You may be right about this. She is actually begging us to let her play
>PeeWee next year because she can't wait to use her shoulder legally. We
>just look around at some of these guys who are approaching 6' and wonder
>how she will absorb one of their checks. But you are right, she is fast
>and agile and could probably manage to stay out of the path of the
>behemoths.
From watching boy's games around here, I've seen enough high elbows
and sticks and hitting from behind to convince me. All it takes is one
cheap shot into the boards when your're not looking, and I don't care how
good of a skater you are. If you saw Turgeon hit from behind in last
night's Blues game, you know what I'm talking about. That's the pro's, but
it happens everywhere. Many boys start getting into that mentality when
they crossover to peewee, and it changes their game. The hitting leads to
lost tempers and things escalate. What's wrong with having your daugther
emphasize her skaking and hockey skills while playing with the boys? If
they ever move on to Women's hockey, the body-slamming won't help them.
You can be physical, even in Women's hockey, without going around making
others "eat ice".
IMHO.
Don Wright
RI Panthers
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:33:00 -0800
From: Jane Webb
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
Message-ID:
I have looked at the "Shock Doctor" mouthguards but could not determine
which size to buy. So I bought a mouthguard from the same company but
one size fits all (trim to fit). This mouthguard has a $5000 vs $7500 I
believe mouth insurance. Any advise in how to determine the right size
S,M, or L?
Jane Anne Webb
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 08:34:02 -0700
From: melissa
To:
Subject: Re: Alaska Lawsuit
Message-ID:
Hi, everyone.
Just returned from a trip and found this. Who want to fill me in on more
details?
Thanks!
Melissa
>Lyle,
>
>>
>> The Organization I am involved with, The Alaska Firebirds, have been
>> unable to get an ice allocation equal to that granted to boys
>> competitive programs. We are due to file suit any day now.
>
>Is there anything we can do to help? (You have probably noticed that,
>as a group, are very willing to write flaming letters of rightous
>indignation.)
>
>Melissa, any chance of reporting on this in GoGirl! ?
>
>We have had alot of discussion lately how *respect* issues (sleazy
>music, tacky half-times, juvinile advertizements) create situations like
>the one Lyle is in. I have been really impressed by the amount of
>support this list has shown regarding *respect* issues. The Firebirds
>ice-access problem is (in my opinion) a *hard* issue (i.e. more horrible
>and tangible than disrespect).
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Melissa Joulwan
Step By Step Fitness/Go, girl! Magazine
415-332-4134
http://www.gogirlmag.com
Go,girl! is a bi-weekly magazine dedicated to getting women of all ages
and fitness levels involved in sports.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:45:57 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
Message-ID:
Gary & Chuck,
Just a note from someone that used to be alot like your daughters. I
grew up on a farm in Texas. I was fearless and had a passion for crazy
horses (I thought I could save them). I grew up knowing radiologists by
name and limping home bleeding alot. But my dad always told me that I
could do anything I set my mind to and I believed him. I know now that
it must have been tough to watch me get myself nearly killed. In the
end, my dad's support helped me stick through engineering school and now
I have a fairly successful career. I owe him alot.
I am telling you this because I know that it must be tough raising
aggressive, fearless girls and I know that they won't appreciate you for
a very long time. Just keep telling them that they can do anything they
set thier mind to (and letting them try). It is the greatest gift you
can give them.
Hang in there.
Lea
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:56:14 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
Message-ID:
Jane Anne,
> I have looked at the "Shock Doctor" mouthguards but could not > determine which size to buy. Any advise in how to determine the right > size S,M, or L?
The stores that carry shock doctor should have a free sizing kit
available. It should be with the gaurds, but you might have to ask for
it. It is like a long stick of gum that you bite and then measure
against a sizing chart. I found the whole process pretty amuzing.
--Lea
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:36:10 -0800
From: Sherry Miracle
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguards
Message-ID:
I just got the Shock Doctors for my 2 sons ages 5 & 10. We just guessed at
the sizes. It was easy with the youngest one-just take the smallest one and
cut it down. For the older son we tried to get approximately the same size
as his old mouthguards he has always worn. It was pretty close, we had to
trim it just a bit. We have only had them a couple of weeks but the kids
seem to like them a lot better. They have a 'breathing channel' so that you
can get more air when you breathe. And supposedly you can talk better with
them, but I don't see how. I especially like the cord that allows you to
attach it to your helmet or wear it around your neck so that you don't lose
it. When you pay that much for a mouthguard you don't want to have to
replace it very often.
I have heard nothing but good comments about the Shock Doctor. Does anyone
else out there use them and how do you think they compare to the old style
of mouthguards??
Sherry Miracle
Southernmost Hockey Club - Key West, FL
http://members.aol.com/kwhockey
At 08:34 AM 11/20/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I have looked at the "Shock Doctor" mouthguards but could not determine
>which size to buy. So I bought a mouthguard from the same company but
>one size fits all (trim to fit). This mouthguard has a $5000 vs $7500 I
>believe mouth insurance. Any advise in how to determine the right size
>S,M, or L?
>
>Jane Anne Webb
>
>
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