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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 384
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re[2]: GOALIES??
by Jan de Regt
2) Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
by email@hidden
3) MOUTHGARDS
by email@hidden (Marie Manza)
4) BARRIE SHARKFEST
by email@hidden (Marie Manza)
5) off -season training (& rollcall)
by email@hidden (Michelle Svatos)
6) Mouthguard
by "Deathe, Barbara - DC"
7) Re: Advice on backward crossovers
by email@hidden (Don Wright)
8) MOUTHGARDS
by email@hidden (Sheryl-Lyn Ekberg)
9) Re: MOUTHGARDS
by email@hidden (Jen Bradbury)
10) MOUTHGARDS -Reply
by email@hidden
11) Re: Mouthguard - what's best?
by Sherry Miracle
12) Re: I need some tips.
by Katharine Ellison
13) Re: MOUTHGARDS
by "BRICKELL, DAWN"
14) Re[2]: Safety In Numbers in Sunny South
by Jan de Regt
15) MOUTHGARDS
by email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
16) Re: I need some tips.
by "BRICKELL, DAWN"
17) Re: One more question????????
by email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
18) Re: MOUTHGARDS
by email@hidden (Patti Jankun)
19) Re: I need some tips.
by mccollum
20) Re: MOUTHGARDS
by mccollum
21) Re: Advice on backward crossovers
by mccollum
22) RE: Fighting
by Deanna Manson
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Date: 18 Nov 1996 11:41:01 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re[2]: GOALIES??
I've replied to each of the goalies individually, but I'll post it
this time -
If you're interested, there is a goalie list serve already going.
Since my son is a goalie, my husband subscribes to it (between the
youth list and this one, and those annoying work-related emails ;), I
simply can't keep up with anything more). I am working on getting the
address from him, and when I do, I'll post it on this list.
Jan.
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Subject: Re: GOALIES??
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 11/13/96 11:21 PM
Did someone say goalie? I swear I heard that. :) I am a goalie in
upstate new york, actually, I guess it's called northern new york,
playing on the Clarkson women's hockey team the Edge and on the
Potsdam/Canton Silver Blades. I've been playing for several years and
was thrilled to learn that Clarkson has a women's team because it's the
only school I applied to (good thing I got in :) ) I consider myself a
butterfly goalie, but I've been told by another person that I "seem to
be more of a stand up goalie" so I guess I tend to go both ways. I'm
always interested in technique suggestions and discussion. Right now I'm
looking to buy a new stick glove, and if anyone could share their
positive/negative experiences with what they have, that would be great.
Right now all I can really do is go by what seems to fit well and seems
to be made well by what I see at the store. Any comments?
-Jenn Purificato
Clarkson Edge
Potsdam Silver Blades
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:59:05 -0800
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
Message-ID:
I understand your concern. Our daughter played travel boys hockey all the way
thru bantams since there was no good alternative for competition until finally
competing with the Senior A Women league. She has since gone on to play for
University of New Hampshire and will complete her collegiate career this year.
As I see it, if your girl has no other choice and wants to compete, then she
just needs to be coached about what to expect. Most importantly, if she does
compete, make sure that her hair is always inside her helmet. What little the
boys know on the opposing team, the better. Most won't know that there is a
girl out on the ice competing until after the game has been played.
However,unfortunately, if she lets her hair fly, she will become a "target".
Good luck to your daughter!
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:10:40 -0500
From: email@hidden (Marie Manza)
To:
Subject: MOUTHGARDS
Message-ID:
I have been reading with intestest the mouthgard postings. My daughter (11)
who is playing Atom BB in all girls league asked for a mouthguard. I told
her that she did not need one since she wears a helmet with a full face
cage. However, after reading some of the postings, I am now not so sure.
Any comments? Is the face cage not protection enough for the mouth and
teeth?
Cheers,
Marie Manza
Aurora Panthers
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:32:44 -0500
From: email@hidden (Marie Manza)
To:
Subject: BARRIE SHARKFEST
Message-ID:
We (my daughter's Aurora, Ontario Panthers Atom BB team) just got back from
a weekend girls'/women's tournament in Barrie, Ontario ("Barrie
Sharkfest"). According to reports, there were close to 100 teams
participating. The Aurora Panthers had Atom, Peewee, Bantam and Midget team
representation. The Aurora Panthers Atom BB team won their division (three
game round robin playing Mississauga, Durham, and Niagara Falls, and a
championship game against Durham Lightning) and brought home the hardware.
It was great hockey all weekend, and all games were quite close.
The tournament was very well organized, in my view, and all of our games at
least were on time, or early. Congratulations to the tournament organizers
and staff. They also presented some great prizes to the "Player of the
Game" to each team. In the round robin, the player on each team received a
Barrie Sharks sweatshirt. In the Atom BB championship game, the player of
the game for the Panthers (Lisa Perowne) received a brand new pair of
hockey pants!
I recommend this tournament for next year, to any of your teams interested.
Finally, does anyone out there know the dates and location for the Ontario
Provincials for 1997 for the Atom division? I cannot seem to locate it
through any of my links. I wonder if this is because it has not yet been
decided at this point.
cheers,
Marie Manza
for Aurora Panthers
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:37:01 -0800
From: email@hidden (Michelle Svatos)
To: email@hidden
Subject: off -season training (& rollcall)
Message-ID:
Hi-
I haven't posted here before. I'm 29. Started playing roller hockey with some
guys at work (mostly league players) a few months ago & WOW! I've
discovered a new love for life! I wonder if all teams sports are this
addictive, or if there's something uniquely intoxicating about hockey,
that blinds us to the briuses, financial setbacks, equipment stink, etc.!
I competed in track & xcountry in college, but rarely experienced the
same exhilaration I get from hockey. Now I'm looking into ice hockey leages..
Oakland (where I live) has a gorgeous new ice arena with 2 rinks.
Here's some thoughts on cross-training:
1) Exer-slide. These things are sold under a variety of brand names by
the aerobic equipment. They are basically a long (6' or so) sheet of slippery
plastic with bumpers at each end. You wear slippery booties with or without
shoes, and push off from one end to the other. Don't laugh until you try it:
the motion is remarkabley like skating and the workout is intense. These
things have been used by speedskaters for years.
The beauty of this solution is that it is low tech and cheap (~$30-50) and
they usually roll up for minimal storage. You can even do it with a stick
in your hands -- sometimes I attach an elastic ankle weight to it, or
practice dribbling a nerf-type ball.
The better models have adjustable lengths (by moving the bumpers) and bumpers
which are angled out slightly or padded to reduce impact on the side of your
foot. Also, they all work best on short (non-shag) carpeting or indoor/outdoor
stuff. Otherwise they tend to slide across the room and the surface-feel is too
lumpy. However, I've found that duct-taping them to a long sheet of carpet
protector (you know, the clear vinyl stuff you used to see in stairways and
hallways) that has "teeth" on the down side, prevents slippage really well.
2) Biking. Outside or indoors on a windtrainer stand. This is especially
important for strengthening quads and knee ligaments. Last month's Bicycling
magazine claimed that the reason women suffer more ligament injuries in
soccer and hockey is because their quads tend to be proportionately less
developed. I have no idea if this is true, but I only have 1 good knee
left and don't plan on taking any chances!!
Michelle
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 13:45:00 EST
From: "Deathe, Barbara - DC"
To: Women-in-Hockey
Subject: Mouthguard
Message-ID:
A mouthguard is one of the most important pieces of sports equipment. Not
only will it help keep from getting your teeth knocked out, if you hit your
head it can also prevent a concussion. Most sports stores sell the standard
mouthguard that you can mold yourself. I recomend getting your dentist to
make one for you. It is expensive, but I believe it is well worth the
money. I wear my mouthguard for both games and practices, accidents can
happen when you least expect them.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:23:29 -0400
From: email@hidden (Don Wright)
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Advice on backward crossovers
Message-ID:
>Hi,
>
>First of all a little history. I'm 36 and have been skating for a year now
>and playing hockey for about 10 months. I'm just starting to get the hang of
>backward crossovers (crossunders?) and am having one big problem. I get very
>sore around the shin/ankle area when I'm doing BWCO in a circle. I think it
>is because I am still leaning to far forward and putting stress on the shins.
> Is there exercises, warmups, stretches I can do to allievate this
>discomfort? I keep trying to tell myself to sit while doing BW skating, but
>I don't seem to be getting low enough. Anybody know of any land exercises
>that would 'simulate' BW skating or Crossovers without skates.
>
>Thanks,
>Meg
One thing you might try, if you haven't already, is to unlace your
skates down from the top one or two eyelets. This will give your ankles a
little more flexability and may help relieve the stress. It also allows
you to roll your outside edges under to give you a good feel of the ice
when you push off. Hope this helps.
Don Wright
RI Panthers
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:30:13 -0600
From: email@hidden (Sheryl-Lyn Ekberg)
To: email@hidden
Subject: MOUTHGARDS
Message-ID:
Mouth guards contrary to popular belief are most useful in preventing
concussions. The concussion is often caused by the jaw jarring into the
skull.
Teeth can also be protected in those cases as well. I know how much it hurts
when you fall wrong or get knocked around too hard.
I have always worn a full shield, but not always a mouth guard. Since I am
only 5' I do get knocked around alot.
The first time I realized I should have had a mouthguard in was the first
year I started playing. I got knocked into the boards (unintentional) but I
knocked my chin into the dasher boards on the way down. I did not have a
mouth guard in. My ears were ringing my neck hurt, my jaw hurt. For may years
my neck and jaw were susceptible to easy irritation.
Many years later I was hit with a rising slap shot into my Itech chin guard.
It even broke the Itech where it fastens at the top of the helmet. I had a
goose egg bruise on my chin, my ears were ringing, it dropped me to the ice
immediately and I was disoriented for a little while. I did have a mouth
guard in. I could hardly move my jaw for about a week. Straws and soup were
my best friends in order to eat. I can't imagine how much more hurt I would
have been without proper face and chin protection as well as a properly
fitting mouth guard.
Sheryl (Minnesota #13 TCE)
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:32:29 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden (Jen Bradbury)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: MOUTHGARDS
Message-ID:
>I have been reading with intestest the mouthgard postings. My daughter (11)
>who is playing Atom BB in all girls league asked for a mouthguard. I told
>her that she did not need one since she wears a helmet with a full face
>cage. However, after reading some of the postings, I am now not so sure.
>Any comments? Is the face cage not protection enough for the mouth and
>teeth?
>
>Cheers,
>Marie Manza
>Aurora Panthers
>
>Hi! Good question! Well first of all if your daughter is playing under
USA hockey, it is a requirement to wear mouthgaurds for players under 18
years of age. I personaly do not like to wear mouth guards because it is
harder to breath while playing. The purpose of a mouthguard is not to
protect from pucks or sticks but to protect you from getting a concusion due
to falling and hitting your head. If you fall and hit your head on the ice
there is a good chance that your teeth will automatically clinch together
and that impact could cause a concusion. So its a thought! Hope I was
helpful! Jen
OSU Womens Club Ice hockey
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:45:30 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: MOUTHGARDS -Reply
Message-ID:
Mouthgards are NOT just for teeth. Please take it from someone who
learned the hard way. If your head gets hit, and you have a mouthgard
in, it absorbs the shock. Without it, your brain jiggles inside your head,
and you end up with a concussion. I did this, and have never gone to a
game or a practice without a mouthgard again. I have tried to tell people
this, and they do not seem to understand the importance of the
mouthgard. It seems much more simple to me, to spend several dollars
and just wear this thing, than to sustain serious injuries.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:02:29 -0800
From: Sherry Miracle
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguard - what's best?
Message-ID:
It is my understanding that mouthguards also help to protect against
concussion resulting from a fall. The mouthguard helps to absorb the impact
of the bottom jaw before it is driven up into the upper jaw. My boys have
always used the regular football type mouthpieces that cost about $1.
Recently I heard a lot of good things about the new Shock Doctor brand, so I
decided to try it. They run about $20, have a lot of new-fangled features
and is supposed to cover $75,000 in dental work if there is any damage while
using their mouthpiece. We have only been using them for a couple of weeks,
so I haven't come to any conclusion on if they are any better.
Our roller hockey league requires that all youth league members must wear a
mouthpiece or they don't play. It's such a minor investment and
inconvenience that I don't know why you wouldn't want to take the extra
precaution, especially in hockey.
Sherry Miracle
Southernmost Hockey Club
http://members.aol.com/kwhockey
At 06:14 AM 11/18/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I've never had to buy a mouthguard before, and I don't know what's
>available or what to look for. I've vaguely considered wearing one,
>but an incident Saturday convinced me.
>
>I took 10 boys up to North Carolina to an inline skate park with
>half-pipes. We had not been there 10 minutes when one of the boys knocked
>his front (permanent) tooth loose. Turns out, it was actually all the way
>knocked out, just happened to stay up in the socket. The dentist says
>there's a 40% chance he'll be able to keep it.
>
>So, I think I'll start wearing a mouthguard, at least on the half-pipes
>(our pick-up hockey games aren't very rough, so I may still skip it for
>hockey). Are there different styles/brands available? Anything I need to
>look for or avoid?
>
>Thanks, Penny
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:16:50 -0700 (MST)
From: Katharine Ellison
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: I need some tips.
Message-ID:
I have a VERY stupid question. I was looking through the scores of a youth
game and it said some guy got a playmaker and i was wondering if anyone
knew what that was because I don't.
thank you.
BE
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:29:56 -0500
From: "BRICKELL, DAWN"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: MOUTHGARDS
Message-ID:
At 10:19 AM 11/18/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I have been reading with intestest the mouthgard postings. My daughter (11)
>who is playing Atom BB in all girls league asked for a mouthguard. I told
>her that she did not need one since she wears a helmet with a full face
>cage. However, after reading some of the postings, I am now not so sure.
>Any comments? Is the face cage not protection enough for the mouth and
>teeth?
>
>Cheers,
>Marie Manza
>Aurora Panthers
>
>Mouthguards are not just to protect the teeth, they also protect against
concussions. If you fall and your jaw slams together, it is very likely you
will get a concussion, but the mouthguard will help to cushion that blow,
and make it less likely that you will get a concussion. After the first one,
you're twice as likely to get another, and so on, and concussions can result
in permanent brain damage. Therefore, get your duaghter used to wearing one
now!!
Dawn
Student Athletic trainer, SRU
>
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Date: 18 Nov 1996 16:12:55 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re[2]: Safety In Numbers in Sunny South
Penny -
I live in Southern Maryland, and all the closest rinks are an hour
away! My son and I both skate - we've put 30,000 miles on our
vehicles since last February. So, there may be a way if you keep it
in mind, when it becomes a high enough priority!
have fun,
Jan.
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Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers in Sunny South
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 11/15/96 12:17 AM
OK - I'll admit I've been hanging out quietly on this list, just enjoying
most of the discussion. Here in the booming metropolis of Clinton,
South Carolina (USA), population 9,000; we don't have ice hockey. The
nearest is in Greenville, almost an hour from here. I have ice skated
probably 20 times in my life and really enjoyed it. I'd LOVE to give
ice hockey a try, but I can't figure out how to work full time, raise
two kids, participate in church activities, and get to Greenville on a
regular basis. (I know, I know ... priorities. I guess hockey just
isn't at the top.)
My hockey participation is pick-up inline hockey in the local
elementary school parking lot with a bunch of (primarily) boys, ages
6-14. I have a blast! I'm 35 and took up inline skating a couple
years ago after watching some boys from church who looked like they
were having lots of fun. It wasn't long before I had to pick up a
hockey stick and give it a try too. After several awkward attempts at
staying upright and doing anything reasonable with the stick and the
ball, I fell in love with it. I'll call my list of kids and set up
weekend games when I can work them in my schedule. Unfortunately,
my daughters (twins, age 9) have no interest in hockey. But they
think it's pretty cool that their mom acts like a kid. (I give them
about 3 more years max to feel that way, before I start to embarass
them!)
I'm often the only adult playing - sometimes two guys come too (I got
them started). When we pick teams instead of dropping sticks, I'm
always picked near the first, which makes me feel good!
Equipment for me is pretty minimal - bike helmet, knee pads, Franklin
gloves (after getting my thumb smacked while wearing wrist guards),
and cheap soccer shin guards when the aggressive kids are playing.
Thank goodness a hockey ball doesn't hurt like a puck!
Your not-so-traditional list member, Penny
Mrs. Penny M. Ginn ,---, email@hidden (864)833-8212
Assoc Dir of Computer Services |---' ___ You don't quit playing because
Presbyterian College |\ /| _ you get old ... you get old
Clinton, SC 29325-2998 USA | \/ |___| because you quit playing!
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:56:46, -0500
From: email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
To: email@hidden
Subject: MOUTHGARDS
Message-ID:
Marie--
I would tell your daughter to wear a mouthguard, too. Because if
she gets knocked backwards and hits her head on the ice, her jaw can
snap together and she can either bite her tongue really hard (even
off!) or break teeth. My father is an orthodontist and laid down the
law to me when I started playing, that I HAD to wear it...it makes
communication on the ice tougher but I had braces for 4 years so it's
worth it...
-Carolyn #21
New Jersey Selects
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:30:51 -0500
From: "BRICKELL, DAWN"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: I need some tips.
Message-ID:
At 12:18 PM 11/18/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I have a VERY stupid question. I was looking through the scores of a youth
>game and it said some guy got a playmaker and i was wondering if anyone
>knew what that was because I don't.
>thank you.
>BE
>
>Playmaker: 3 assists in one game
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:33:56, -0500
From: email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: One more question????????
Message-ID:
Of course women fight. I played for the Youth NJ Devils last year and
I had a girl on my team who got suspended for 30 days. She jumped on
a girl's back who was going into the corner, and started kicking her.
She lead our team in penalties and penalty minutes, and most of them
were due to mixin it up with the other team's players. If you can
keep your temper in control you will not run into these problems...I
am 15 and play in a mostly older women's league...more than once this
season someone has slashed our goalie and I shove them so they get
the idea not to do that, but then they retaliate and end up getting
the penalty. I personally have never gotten into a fight, but yes, it
does happen...
-Carolyn #21
New Jersey Selects
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:45:14 -0500
From: email@hidden (Patti Jankun)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: MOUTHGARDS
Message-ID:
>>I have been reading with intestest the mouthgard postings. My daughter
>(11)
>>who is playing Atom BB in all girls league asked for a mouthguard. I
>told
>>her that she did not need one since she wears a helmet with a full face
>>cage.
Does she play USA Hockey? If so, I believe mouthguards are required for
all players 18 Yrs. and under.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:53:31 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: I need some tips.
Message-ID:
Nina,
I play for Clifton Park girls team in Clifton Park, NY. I am only 14.
This is my second year. I play left wing most the time. Our record is
1-3 and we have another game tonight. we got off to a rocky start but
that is not going to put us down in any size shape or form. I can't wait
until tonight. Wish me luck.....
R.L
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:04:38 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: MOUTHGARDS
Message-ID:
Marie,
I am 14 and I play on an all girls team. In our league we MUST have a
mouthgaurd. If we are caught with out one in a game we get a 7 1/2
minute penelty! Our coaches tell us if we don't have one to keep our
mouths closed! Now the thing with the mouth gaurd is that the cage is
full pretection unless the butt of a hockey stick can fit through one of
the slots. The mouth gaurd is used to prtect those people with braces
especially so they don't rip their lips apart but for those who don't
have braces the mouth gaurds help you so you don't bite your tongue.
Well you may still bite your tongue but it won't hurt as much and it
probably won't bleed.
R.L
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:06:32 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Advice on backward crossovers
Message-ID:
Meg,
My coach tells us that you MUST sit lower to do backward cross overs.
It gives you more balance. I have trouble getting low to though. It is
comfortable to me either.
R.L
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:54:31 -0400
From: Deanna Manson
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: Fighting
Message-ID:
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I'm a scrapper!!! Oh-oh...should I admit this? I would never hurt anyone but
I am definitely an antagonist on the ice. I find it very effective to "get the goat"
of the other players by saying things or giving them little knocks on the helmet,
etc. Last year I laid a girl out flat because she was doing things to me that
could have hurt me (cross-checking me across the back, etc) and she just
had to be taught a lesson. By the time she got up off the ice I had already
skated away and she couldn't tell who had hit her and starting scrapping with
another girl on our team. It was right a the end of the game though so it was
kind of a useless scrap. I also have a lot of broomball scrapping stories if
anyone is interested...
Dee Manson
Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada
email@hidden
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