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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 383
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Women in Rochester, NY
by Rhonda Paprocki
2) Re: profiles & stinky stuff
by Rhonda Paprocki
3) Re: I need some tips.
by email@hidden
4) Re: I need some tips.
by Marilyn Fuller
5) Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
by Laurie Sefton
6) Re: What kind of skates
by email@hidden
7) Re: One more question????????
by email@hidden
8) Re: Women in Rochester, NY
by email@hidden
9) Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
by mccollum
10) Re: One more question????????
by mccollum
11) Re: What kind of skates
by mccollum
12) NHL All-Star Game
by email@hidden
13) Re: RE: smelly equipment
by email@hidden (Patti Jankun)
14) Brown takes two
by email@hidden (Don Wright)
15) Mouthguard - what's best?
by Penny Ginn
16) CCM women's skates!
by Jan de Regt
17) Re: Skates for wide feet?
by Jan de Regt
18) ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
19) Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
by "David R. Strong"
20) Re: What kind of skates would you recomend I start on????????
by email@hidden
21) Re: I need some tips.
by email@hidden
22) Re: I need some tips.
by Jenn Purificato
23) Advice on backward crossovers
by email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 03:08:16 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women in Rochester, NY
Message-ID:
At 01:41 PM 11/17/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi out there:
>
>Are there any women/girls (doesn't matter what age) that would like to get
>together and rent some ice maybe once a week and scrimmage amongst ourselves?
>12 - 22 people would be good. I know a guy who runs a rink that we could maybe
>get ice time from. Please e-mail me personally if you're interested.
>
>Thanks,
>Diane
>email@hidden
Diane,
I believe there is a women's team out of Rochester, both a senior and
midget team... You should try to contact them, they would be a good source
of potential players..... Some info at:
http://yeoh1.dos.cornell.edu/sirens.html#NYS
Doesn't have contact names/numbers for the rochester teams, but you
could try contacting other NY teams and someone should have a name/number
for you.
good luck
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 03:13:55 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: profiles & stinky stuff
Message-ID:
At 11:14 AM 11/16/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I really want to play hockey for a womens team but i'm not suremy citie has a
>team and plus I can barley skate. I would like some advice from some women
>hockey players. please E-mail me back. It will be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>~Nina Bartholomew
Nina,
Here are some Colorado contact people. Try contacting some of the closest
ones and maybe they can help you.
from http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~andria/Team_List.html
Senior Teams
Women's Association of Colorado Hockey (9 teams)
contact: Heather Poe (303)426-8431
Aspen Mother Puckers, contact:Cathy Crum (970) 925-4954
University of Colorado-Boulder
Campus Box 355, Boulder, CO 8030 303-492-5471
Girls Teams
Colorado Wildcats (Midget), rink: Colorado College
coach: Bob Callahan (719) 548-8507
contact: 1 800 937-7037 (Sandy Kinnee, Dita Field Hockey)
Denver (Midget), contact: Mike Wika (303)751-7306
Aspen (Midget), contact:Cathy Crum (970) 925-4954
(wasn't sure how old you are so I included girls teams too).
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:29:08 -0800
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: I need some tips.
Message-ID:
R.L.,
What team do you play for??????? I am probably going to try out for the postion
of Goalie. I think that It would be a very cool postion to play because it
involves being flexable, fast, and very motivated, you also have to be able to
concentrate. I was at this hockey game on saturday night and there was this guy
yelling really bad stuff at the opposing teams goalie but the goalie didn't
respond at all, he just played the game and although they lost and he was pulled
at the last few mins. of the game to put another offensive player in, he should
have walked away proud because he had acomplished one great thing by ignoring
that guy and just doing what he was there to do. The guy got kicked out. It's
just something you really have to do. I heard that before a game Patrick Roy
doesn't barley talk to anyone because he is concentrating. Now thats what I
call determination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the great advice!!!!! It will
help alot when I go to try out. Thanks again!!!!!!
Nina
hopefully soon to be a women hockey player!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:02:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Marilyn Fuller
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: I need some tips.
Message-ID:
um-do i know you?
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 email@hidden wrote:
> Thanks for the advice. This was definatly the place to go for that!!!! I am
> going to call and find out how old you have to be to play for the womens Fort
> Collins Team. I sure hope I'm old enough or I don't know what I'll do.
> Thanks to everybody!!!!! except you Betsy!! just kidding!!!! See ya in school
> tommorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Nina
> Fort Collins, Colorado
>
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:22:26 -0800
From: Laurie Sefton
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
Message-ID:
FYI--there are, as of about 9:00 PST, 358 people signed up for the
women-in-hockey mailing list here at Plaidworks.
Laurie
List Mom
email@hidden
"All the best defencemen have goalie eyes."
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 06:33:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: What kind of skates
Message-ID:
What brands are better? Quality of the equipment? It pretty much goes along
with the old saying, 'You get what you pay for.' I believe all brands have
their high and low end equipment, just like any other sport. You can pretty
much tell which is the better stuff. Like on shoulder pads. Most boys shoulder
pads don't have as much protection in front. To me, it felt like there was just
a thin piece of cardboard as padding. I have Vic 390 shoulder pads which are
padded really well. I have also seen nice CCM's. The same goes for shin guards.
You can tell the difference between those with thin, cheap plastic and those
with the nicer, thicker plastics. Again, I have Vic Air Tech shin guards and
they are beautiful. Very well padded with thick plastic. I think they are the
best Vic sells (or did sell last year). I have also seen nice CCM shin guards
along the same lines. Most adult elbow pads are the same. They all have a hard
or well padded elbow with a padded slash guard and an upper arm pad. As for
skates, the two dominant name brands are CCM and Bauer. I have Bauer Supreme
Composites and love them. But everyone's feet are different. Try as much
different equipment on as you can and go to a lot of places to get fitted.
You'll eventually find things that fit you very well and will be comfortable
wearing. Good luck!
Diane
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 06:41:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: One more question????????
Message-ID:
Nina,
I personally haven't seen any women fight. I follow my women's college hockey
team. At this level I don't believe there is checking but there is definately
pushing, shoving, and penalties.
Diane
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 06:51:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women in Rochester, NY
Message-ID:
>Diane,
>
>I believe there is a women's team out of Rochester, both a senior and
>midget team... You should try to contact them, they would be a good source
>of potential players..... Some info at:
>http://yeoh1.dos.cornell.edu/sirens.html#NYS
>
>Doesn't have contact names/numbers for the rochester teams, but you
>could try contacting other NY teams and someone should have a name/number
>for you.
>
>good luck
>
>Rhonda Paprocki
>email@hidden
Rhonda,
Thanks for the information. I have been practicing with the Susan B's, which is
the Rochester Women's Adult team (travel). I am not sure what the midget team
is but I don't think I'd be able to play with them anyway - I'm 25 years old.
But, I'll check it out. I know the coach of the RIT Women's team. I'll ask him
at the next game (Sunday 11/24 at 11:30 a.m. if anyone's interested in
attending).
Thanks again,
Diane
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:56:11 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
Message-ID:
Betsy,
I am a left winger but sometimes they put me at all other positions.
R.L
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:57:19 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: One more question????????
Message-ID:
Nina,
Most the women have a longer temper than the men. There are some fights
but a lot of times they are concentrating more on the puck than
fighting.
R.L
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:59:18 -0800
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: What kind of skates
Message-ID:
Betsy,
Bauer is good for skates. CCM is good for everything else though. If it
is your first year (most likely) you should start off with something
cheap. You know like go to a used equipment sale. This way if by any
chance you don't like playing hockey you didn't pay a lot for your
equipment.
R.L
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:13:16 PST
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden, email@hidden,
Subject: NHL All-Star Game
Message-ID:
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 03:14:34 -0500
From: email@hidden (Patti Jankun)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: RE: smelly equipment
Message-ID:
HI ,
I missed the advice on *smelly* equipment from Perri. Could someone
please pass it along?
>Thanks for the advice Perri! I am going to pass it on to some of the
>girls that
>I have to sit beside in the changeroom. Peeeeuuuuu!!!
> I know this sounds stupid but, I have only been to mens hockey games
>and, do the
>> women fight???????
>>
Women do fight, but in our league (South Shore Women's Hockey League,
Massachusetts) it can be costly. You're first fight you are out for
that game and the next. Your second fight you're out that game and next
2 league games and there is a review before the board. Third you're out
of the league. THere is no need for it and it isn't tolerate.
Patti
North Shore Indians
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:00:43 -0400
From: email@hidden (Don Wright)
To:
Subject: Brown takes two
Message-ID:
The Brown Women's Hockey team won their home opener, defeating
Dartmouth 12-2 on Saturday. Yesterday, they beat Boston College, 9-0.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:01:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Penny Ginn
To: email@hidden
Subject: Mouthguard - what's best?
Message-ID:
I've never had to buy a mouthguard before, and I don't know what's
available or what to look for. I've vaguely considered wearing one,
but an incident Saturday convinced me.
I took 10 boys up to North Carolina to an inline skate park with
half-pipes. We had not been there 10 minutes when one of the boys knocked
his front (permanent) tooth loose. Turns out, it was actually all the way
knocked out, just happened to stay up in the socket. The dentist says
there's a 40% chance he'll be able to keep it.
So, I think I'll start wearing a mouthguard, at least on the half-pipes
(our pick-up hockey games aren't very rough, so I may still skip it for
hockey). Are there different styles/brands available? Anything I need to
look for or avoid?
Thanks, Penny
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Date: 18 Nov 1996 09:13:10 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested)
Subject: CCM women's skates!
I just found out over the weekend from a local skate shop (Skater's
Paradise, for the DC area folks) that CCM is supposed to have women's
skates for sale in January!!! They will be high end skates, 852s, and
he is being told they will arrive 1/15. He says he's only seen black
and white photos, so he said he can't tell me how likely it is to
happen, but this is great news!!
Jan
Chesapeake Bay Lightning
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Date: 18 Nov 1996 09:13:16 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re: Skates for wide feet?
The best advice I can give is to try and use your common sense about
whether the equipment you're trying on fits. I ended up having to
replace all of mine eventually becuase it just didn't fit right to
start with, and the guys at the hockey shops didn't tell me they
aren't used to fitting women, they just told me it was fine. So, if
there's someplace in your area (where are you?) that works with women,
or a women's team, that would be the best place to start.
I, too, started playing hockey after my son did, and intended to get
low-end equipment, but I think that's a bad idea. After all, it's no
fun it it hurts everytime you fall down! You and I sound like similar
we are size. So, get the best knee pads, pants and elbow pads you
can, that fit you comfortably. Don't buy children's size, even if
they seem to fit, because they aren't designed to protect your weight
and height when it falls to the ice. I know, I tried that route! The
only piece of equipment (that I'm aware of) that is made expressly for
women right now is the Cooper chest and shoulder pads. I highly
recommend them, at least be sure to try some on with the other styles
you look at.
Good luck!
Jan.
Chesapeake Bay Lightning.
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Skates for wide feet?
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 11/12/96 6:12 PM
I'm about to take a beginning hockey class (I think) and I'll have to buy all
the equipment (yeowch). I've seen some messages here with recommendations
of skates for women with narrow feet, and I wondered about skates for us
duck-footed women.
I know you narrow-foots will just say "What's the problem? Just buy mens' or
boys' skates!". It's not as simple as that. My feet are wide at the ball of
the foot but narrow at the ankle, which is, I understand, typical of women
with wide feet; to simplify, women tend to have triangular feet, and men tend
to have rectangular feet. I don't want to wear skates which fit my forefoot,
but have my ankle sloshing around. Any recommendations? I don't want to
spend a fortune, but neither do I want to buy something that is inadequate or
wears out quickly.
Another question- for you women who wear orthotics, do you put them in your
skates? My feet roll to the outside, and I had been putting my orthotics in
my rollerblades, but I decided that I seemed to skate better without.
Any recommendations for other gear are also welcome. I'm pretty tall and
broad-shouldered (5'8", built like the swimmer I once was), so I'm hoping
that some readily available men's equipment will work for me. As you can
tell, I'm a complete newbie at this; the only hockey I've played is a little
scrimmaging at roller hockey with my young son.
-- Anne Paulson
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:48:56 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: Hockey Chat List ,
Subject: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
Message-ID:
We have a 10-year-old daughter who is playing squirt hockey with the boys.
Next year she has to move up to PeeWee level because she will be one month
beyond the squirt age limit. Her actual due date was two weeks on the
other side of the cut-off (she was born 6 weeks premature at a weight of 2
lb 4 oz). She is a gutsy little player with good skills and a lot of
talent. She is assistant captain of her team and very popular with her
teammates. She is about 4'8" and will probably only reach 5'2". When she
moved up from mite to squirt, we were turned down for an age exemption by
the league she is in. When she moves from squirt to peewee next season,
however, she will be moving into a checking league where the guys will be
significantly bigger than she is, and we are getting worried about her
safety. There are no competitive girls teams in the area at her age level
or at the peewee level, but one more year at squirt will get her to the
point where she could make the transition to a select girls team when she
is 12. Does anybody know of any conditions under which exemptions for
advancing from one age level to the next have been granted? If you are
aware of any specific cases, please let us know, so we can begin to build
our own case with our league. Thanks in advance for any help provided.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:58:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "David R. Strong"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
Message-ID:
> We have a 10-year-old daughter who is playing squirt hockey with the boys.
> Next year she has to move up to PeeWee level because she will be one month
> beyond the squirt age limit.......
> ...... There are no competitive girls teams in the area at her age level
> or at the peewee level, but one more year at squirt will get her to the
> point where she could make the transition to a select girls team when she
> is 12. Does anybody know of any conditions under which exemptions for
> advancing from one age level to the next have been granted? If you are
> aware of any specific cases, please let us know, so we can begin to build
> our own case with our league. Thanks in advance for any help provided.
Our association's Board of Directors has approved playing at a level below
the proper one in a few cases of girls who are just beginning. We also
approved allowing a boy with little hockey experience (and size) to play
at the squirt level rather than peewee. That proved to be a good decision
as far as his play goes, but thorny as far as playoffs go.
The problem, of course, is that state playoff tournaments (and the associated
games that lead up to them) CANNOT make exceptions. The parents who totally
understood the limitations of the move at the beginning of the season are
outraged when told that their child isn't allowed to compete with the rest
of the team in the playoffs (or out-of-town tournaments as the host may
decide).
Our daughter's birthday falls two weeks before the July 1 cutoff, and she
has had to move to the proper level to continue playing boys' hockey.
I would suggest writing a letter of appeal to your Board of Directors,
explaining your understanding of the limitations of such a move. If your
league uses common sense, they will hopefully agree with you. Likewise for
hosts of tournaments or non-league games.
Best of luck this season.
Dave Strong, General Manager
Keweenaw Wings (Midget Girls)
Houghton, Michigan
email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:58:10 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: What kind of skates would you recomend I start on????????
Message-ID:
If you are going to playing hockey right off the bat, you definately want to
have hockey skates. Figure skates have the toe pick, which is not well
suited to the quick stops, turns etc of hockey(in fact you would probably end
up taking several face plants on figure skates). Hockey skates are also
rockered for better turning, something you can't do to a figure skate. I
recommend getting the best possible skates you can afford, I like my Bauer
Comps. I started with cheap skates and upgraded almost immediately and it
made a big difference.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:13:47 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: I need some tips.
Message-ID:
Nina,
Regarding playing women's hockey, if you find a C league team, then you will
probably be given lots of leeway (in terms of mistakes). I play on a guy's C
league and even though they seem to yell at me a lot more than the other guys
(who are making the same mistakes), I've just decided to ignore them and do
the best I can. I did ask one guy on the team why they picked on me all the
time and his response was "Guys are bigger and can cover their mistakes by
being physical, since you're a girl you have to play smarter". Hmmm?! Makes
you wonder. Anyway, sorry to get off track. I would also recommend not
starting at Goalie, due to cost of equipment, in order to see if you like the
sport. And finally, if you do decide to be a Goalie, remember the Goalie is
usually the best skater on the team.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:16:59 -0500
From: Jenn Purificato
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: I need some tips.
Message-ID:
mccollum wrote:
>
> Nina,
> Hello. I may only be 14 but I was back up goalie last year for my team.
> Now look first of all if you let the pucks go buy you the coaches
> probably will cut you. Now being only 14 we don't have to make the team.
> We are automatically on the team. Now also you will probably get really
> nervous before a game. That is very common especially for your first
> game. Just go for it. If you let the goals in it really doesn't matter.
> It isn't your fault anyway. You may get blamed for it but it is the
> other players faults more than it is yours. Just remember that.
> R.L
When i started out, I was 13 or 14. i don't remember exactly. I remember
being told more or less the same thing. But it's not wholly (sp?) true.
While the defense can often take a lot of the blame for a goal, the
bottom line is you're put in net to do one job, and that's to stop the
puck. If the goals were all the defense's fault, what would be the point
of a goalie? The point here is not to put too much pressure on you, but
a goalie has to take responsibility for the goals scored against her.
The best thing to keep the puck out of the net is practice, practice,
and more practice. My coaches seemed to think I was crazy when I said
I'd like a few hundred shots at the beginning of each practice, but it
really does help. And from a little list I got from a girl on my team
(thanks Abby!) "The goaltender has to approach the game in a menner
where (s)he feels (s)he can make a significant difference. Not just be
there but make a difference. It's the nature of the position."
Jenn
Clarkson Edge
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:31:45 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Advice on backward crossovers
Message-ID:
Hi,
First of all a little history. I'm 36 and have been skating for a year now
and playing hockey for about 10 months. I'm just starting to get the hang of
backward crossovers (crossunders?) and am having one big problem. I get very
sore around the shin/ankle area when I'm doing BWCO in a circle. I think it
is because I am still leaning to far forward and putting stress on the shins.
Is there exercises, warmups, stretches I can do to allievate this
discomfort? I keep trying to tell myself to sit while doing BW skating, but
I don't seem to be getting low enough. Anybody know of any land exercises
that would 'simulate' BW skating or Crossovers without skates.
Thanks,
Meg
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