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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 375
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Am I over-reacting???
by email@hidden
2) Re: Am I over-reacting???
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
3) Re: Am I over-reacting???
by email@hidden (Laurie Solgon)
4) GOALIES??
by Avril Cohen
5) Re: Am I over-reacting???
by email@hidden
6) RE: Equipment for Women
by Deanna Manson
7) The WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY mailing list subscription, help, and usage guide
by The List Mom
8) Re: Am I over-reacting???
by email@hidden
9) Skates
by email@hidden (Harriet Hutton)
10) article
by Sharon MacDonald
11) Practices!
by email@hidden
12) Re: Skates
by Karen A Robinson
13) Re: Am I over-reacting???
by "Randi Tyler"
14) Re: Am I over-reacting???
by "Kristen M. Ede"
15) RE: Three Nations Tournament
by Deanna Manson
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:18:06 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting???
Message-ID:
>I just received the latest mail order catalog from Boston Hockey. As I was
>pondering the purchase of a new pair of skates, I came across an entry for a
>women's shoulder pads/chest protector. The description began "Protect your
>hooters from those sharp shooters." Now, I am relatively open minded and can
>swear up a blue streak with the best of my (male) hockey teammates. However,
>this was patently offensive to me.
>Am I over-reacting? Thoughts, anyone?
Lucianne:
Yep, this is offensive. But count to 10 (thanks, Mom), then ask yourself a
few questions:
What's the context -- do they make tacky jokes about men's protective gear?
Do they make dopey puns in general? Do they make tasteless or mocking
comments about all products for women? Have they ever used this kind of
language before?
What's the product line? Do they carry a good amount of women's stuff? Are
their prices good? In other words, are we taken seriously as consumers? Is it
worth ripping their hides if they've done a good job of serving us in a more
tangible way?
If, overall, they're a good company and this appears to be just
boneheadedness, I'd suggest a patiently worded letter on the lines of "I
expect you didn't mean to be offensive, but as your female clientele is
undoubtedly increasing, you'll want to make certain this word and words like
it don't appear in future catalogues."
This catalogue is probably put together by guys who aren't yet used to doing
bulk business with women. Any close experience they have with female players
might be similar to yours with your teammates -- they all BS together and no
harm done -- so they figure it's OK to do likewise in print.
So certainly say something (in fact, I suggest anyone who gets the catalogue
write to them), but give them the benefit of the doubt, at least in the first
round.
(I'll suspend my $26 per-hour editorial rate since I didn't write a whole
letter.)
Good luck
Margaret Lillard
Brooklyn Blades
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:18:20 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting???
Message-ID:
Lucianne:
Doesn't sound to me like you are over-reacting at all. I have never seen
any raw/funny comments about jocks and other items that protect our
delicate brothers. What bothers me is the almost abusive nature of the
comment, implying that the sharp-shooters were aiming for your chest.
Looks like there is one catalogue that's going to lose some female business.
Debbie
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 17:35:04 -0700 (MST)
From: email@hidden (Laurie Solgon)
To: women-in-hockey@plaidworks.com,
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting???
Message-ID:
"Protect your hooters from those sharp shooters."
>
>Am I over-reacting? Thoughts, anyone?
>
No, you're not overreacting. I am a member of the National Organization for
Women, and it's comments like this that keep people from respecting women
and taking them seriously. Please post a phone number or email address that
we can complain to. I am very open minded and have a great sense of humor,
but this is downright degrading and promotes disrespect and, believe it or
not, hatred for women in some people.
Laurie Solgon
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:10:34 -0500
From: Avril Cohen
To: Subscribers to
Subject: GOALIES??
Message-ID:
Hi,
Just wondering if there are any other goalies out there in cyberspace
who would like to talk about, well, anything?? I read a lot of stuff
about equipment, playing time and strategies that are directly related
to the skaters on the ice!! If there is anyone interested in getting
a goalie chat going, please let me know!!
Thanks,
Avril #1
Assabet Valley Hockey
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:19:15 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting???
Message-ID:
Lucianne,
Hi. I'm Michelle from the Lady Lightning @ Sunblades and the Tornadoes @
TBSA. I didn't know that you were online too. I'll have to save your email
address.
In response to your comment, I haven't seen that ad yet, but it is about the
rudest thing I've heard yet. You would think that they would try to promote
women's hockey if they actually carry women's equipment, but more than likely
they will be turning women away from their products with statement's like
that.
Feel free to email me when you get a chance.
Michelle Hemminger
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 02:12:52 -0400
From: Deanna Manson
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: Equipment for Women
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The Cooper womens shoulder pads with chest protector are great but I find
the shoulders too big. I look like the Hulk in them.
Deanna Manson
Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada
email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 01:00:09 -0800
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Subject: The WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY mailing list subscription, help, and usage guide
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:23:31 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: women-in-hockey@plaidworks.com
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting???
Message-ID:
Wow! I sound like a complete patsy! Don't mistake my meaning -- I'm offended
too. But I still think it's better to assume stupidity before malevolence.
Also, consider this: could have been written by a woman.... Yes, it could.
I still recommend writing a softer-toned letter first. If you give them the
chance to apologize, it's much more openly received AND makes them more eager
to think about us in the future. If you flay and salt a person right off,
they just get defensive. That's men OR women. Give 'em the benefit of the
doubt.
Margaret Lillard
Brooklyn Blades
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 08:30:12 -0800
From: email@hidden (Harriet Hutton)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Skates
Message-ID:
I just wanted to put my 2 cents in on this discussion. I noticed that many
women responding have problems with Bauer skates. I have had just the
opposite experience. When I decided that I wanted to learn how to skate, I
bought an inexpensive pair of skates made by CCM (junior size 3 because I
have small, but not particularly narrow feet). They were too stiff over my
ankle bones because the seam went right over where my bones are. I ended
up getting rid of them after using them about 10 times. By this time, I
had decided that I really would stick with ice skating, so I bought a pair
of Bauer 3000 Supremes (size 3D). I had no problem breaking them in, and
they were instantly comfortable. I still have them several years later (I
am a recreational hockey player, so my skates last a while). The only
thing that I would change for myself would be the height of the boot. My
foot can slightly rotate (but not move side to side or back and forth), but
it isn't enough to bother me much, or make a difference with learning to
skate.
It just goes to show that we are all individuals, and what works for one
person, won't work for someone else.
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:22:17 -0500
From: Sharon MacDonald
To: email@hidden
Subject: article
Message-ID:
Hi everyone,
I'm new here and I've never posted before so if I break a protocol,
I apologize in advance. My daughter plays minor hockey (she's 7 years old)
and she loves it with a passion. My father-in-law, Jack Kennedy, used to
coach Lady Mac at McMaster University in Hamilton Ontario. I myself do not
play, but it struck me that for adult teams to prosper, the girls must have
their skills and abilities nurtured at the minor levels. I do coach
baseball and I did an informal survey of the girls and found out that only
about 20 girls, out of a possible 300 in minor baseball, were playing
hockey. The ones who did often had older brothers who played. In many
cases, girls who were tremendous athletes had not even considered hockey,
thinking it was only a boys league. In an effort to overcome this type of
misinformation, I sent a letter to the local paper encouraging girls to sign
up and applauding those already playing. The feedback was quite positive.
I'd like to expand on this issue and invite anyone who can, to e-mail me
with their views on the subject, their personal highs and lows, equipment
problems, etc. I'm sure you get the picture. I'm planning this for a
newspaper or magazine story. I'll also send a copy to anyone who wants one.
Thanks for any help I can get.
Sharon
(email@hidden)
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:02:54 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Practices!
Message-ID:
Hi all!
I was hoping to find some extra practices to join in on weeknights or weekend
days in the Boston or surrounding area.. If there's someone out there whose
team welcomes skaters from other teams to practice with them could you e-mail
me?
I figured I'd ask here first... I want to skate as many times a week as I
can!!
Thanks.
Lisa
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:20:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Karen A Robinson
To: Harriet Hutton
Cc: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Skates
Message-ID:
On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Harriet Hutton wrote:
> I just wanted to put my 2 cents in on this discussion. I noticed that many
> women responding have problems with Bauer skates. I have had just the
> opposite experience. When I decided that I wanted to learn how to skate, I
> bought an inexpensive pair of skates made by CCM (junior size 3 because I
> It just goes to show that we are all individuals, and what works for one
> person, won't work for someone else.
Actually, your story is perhaps more clearly an illustration of the
importance of the quality of the particular skate - ie, line or type
within a brand. Comparing the "inexpensive CCM" to the newer and better
Bauer skate is not a fair comparison. I do very much agree with your
point, however, that people have very different needs, and very different
feet!
Karen
email@hidden
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Date: 11 Nov 1996 11:18:00 -0800
From: "Randi Tyler"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting???
Message-ID:
Lucianne A. Sarlo wrote:
To:
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting???
Message-ID:
> Wow! I sound like a complete patsy! Don't mistake my meaning -- I'm
offended
> too. But I still think it's better to assume stupidity before
malevolence.
> Also, consider this: could have been written by a woman.... Yes, it
could.
>
> I still recommend writing a softer-toned letter first. If you give them
the
> chance to apologize, it's much more openly received AND makes them more
eager
> to think about us in the future. If you flay and salt a person right off,
> they just get defensive. That's men OR women. Give 'em the benefit of the
> doubt.
>
> Margaret Lillard
> Brooklyn Blades
I agree with both of Margaret's postings (nice team name as well..)
Some misguided male (is that redundant??) probably knows quite a few neat
female Hockey Players that can take the good natured ribbing and to some
degree crudeness that goes along with being a Hockey Player of either
gender.
Ribbing between friends is fun, general degrading comments about Women
isn't, especially at a time where Women's Hockey is trying to grow and gain
respect
So are you over-reacting? No, not at all...but the key is HOW we react to
it. Margaret's opening statement "I expect you didn't mean to be
offensive..." is a good start of a letter to help enlighten the people (men
and women) at the company that printed that advertisment.
Kristen Ede
#10
Thunder Bay Blades
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:20:04 -0400
From: Deanna Manson
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: Three Nations Tournament
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The CBC internet site is at:
www.cbc.ca
I have written to them before about womens hockey and had no response.
Deanna Manson
Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada
email@hidden
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